Official: 2007 NBA Playoff thread.

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: JRich
Bowen and Duncan should be suspended also. Rules are rules.

that wasn't an altercation. compare what happened on the floor during elson-jones with bell running up to horry.


i'm tired of hearing the suns owner on sports radio. if your dumbass players don't come off the bench then the spurs wouldn't be getting 'rewarded.' it could only be a reward if horry knows that stoudamire is going to come off the bench, which he didn't. what if stoudamire didn't come off the bench? would anyone be saying the spurs are getting 'rewarded'? no. the only reason there is any 'reward' is because stoudamire decided to break the rule and come off the bench.

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: JRich
Bowen and Duncan should be suspended also. Rules are rules.

that wasn't an altercation. compare what happened on the floor during elson-jones with bell running up to horry.


i'm tired of hearing the suns owner on sports radio. if your dumbass players don't come off the bench then the spurs wouldn't be getting 'rewarded.' it could only be a reward if horry knows that stoudamire is going to come off the bench, which he didn't. what if stoudamire didn't come off the bench? would anyone be saying the spurs are getting 'rewarded'? no. the only reason there is any 'reward' is because stoudamire decided to break the rule and come off the bench.

You don't think this could be a cold, calculated move on the part of Greg Popovich and Robert Horry? He seemed to talk to him before Robert came in the game, and Robert was barely even in the game before this happened. He seemed to know exactly what he was doing.

Personally, I honestly don't believe what I just wrote was what happened. But it very well could of happened, which would only piss me off more if I found out it was true.

 

[Ricochet]

The suspension ruling against the Suns is really a bad call. It's not because the NBA admistration is bias for any particular team. They're merely following the letter of the law. It does, however, sets a bad precedence. This means that any team (while classless and deplorable) can bring out a no name seat warmer to commit a hard foul (assault) on a star player in front of the other teams bench. In a climate of winning at all cost, this can happen.

Those of you calling Stoudamire and Diaw dumb@sses don't understand what camaraderie is. I'm sorry, but regardless of what the rules are, you do not let your teammate get assaulted and let it slide. It's a legitimate response after seeing their beloved leader knocked down to the scorers table. Any cohesive team will have players defending each other.

 

[supesman]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: JRich
Bowen and Duncan should be suspended also. Rules are rules.

that wasn't an altercation. compare what happened on the floor during elson-jones with bell running up to horry.


i'm tired of hearing the suns owner on sports radio. if your dumbass players don't come off the bench then the spurs wouldn't be getting 'rewarded.' it could only be a reward if horry knows that stoudamire is going to come off the bench, which he didn't. what if stoudamire didn't come off the bench? would anyone be saying the spurs are getting 'rewarded'? no. the only reason there is any 'reward' is because stoudamire decided to break the rule and come off the bench.

You don't think this could be a cold, calculated move on the part of Greg Popovich and Robert Horry? He seemed to talk to him before Robert came in the game, and Robert was barely even in the game before this happened. He seemed to know exactly what he was doing.

Personally, I honestly don't believe what I just wrote was what happened. But it very well could of happened, which would only piss me off more if I found out it was true.

How many coaches talk to their players before they enter the game?

 

[dbk]

Originally posted by: ricochet
The suspension ruling against the Suns is really a bad call. It's not because the NBA admistration is bias for any particular team. They're merely following the letter of the law. It does, however, sets a bad precedence. This means that any team (while classless and deplorable) can bring out a no name seat warmer to commit a hard foul (assault) on a star player in front of the other teams bench. In a climate of winning at all cost, this can happen.

Those of you calling Stoudamire and Diaw dumb@sses don't understand what camaraderie is. I'm sorry, but regardless of what the rules are, you do not let your teammate get assaulted and let it slide. It's a legitimate response after seeing their beloved leader knocked down to the scorers table. Any cohesive team will have players defending each other.

How come the other players didn't come off the bench to protect Nash? I guess they don't like Nash that much. "Legitimate response"? Give me a break. The Suns lost their cool. So we should make exceptions if the one getting fouled is the leader of the team or not? :roll:

 

[galperi1]

Unless they change this rule... welcome to Thug basketball....

I can see it now... here comes the last player on the bench who usually get's 1-2 minutes a game and commits a FLAGRANT foul on say.. Tim Duncan, Chauncey Billups, Steve Nash, Ben Gordon, etc., in front of their bench. The other team obviously will get up out of a gut reaction and a sense of team and have 1-2 of their best players suspended if they were on the bench at the time and happen to get up and move a little.

This is a crap ruling and will ripple throughout the league and is definately not the message they should be sending.

Dirty play should not reward your team. Especially in the playoffs

 

[Ricochet]

Originally posted by: dbk

Originally posted by: ricochet
The suspension ruling against the Suns is really a bad call. It's not because the NBA admistration is bias for any particular team. They're merely following the letter of the law. It does, however, sets a bad precedence. This means that any team (while classless and deplorable) can bring out a no name seat warmer to commit a hard foul (assault) on a star player in front of the other teams bench. In a climate of winning at all cost, this can happen.

Those of you calling Stoudamire and Diaw dumb@sses don't understand what camaraderie is. I'm sorry, but regardless of what the rules are, you do not let your teammate get assaulted and let it slide. It's a legitimate response after seeing their beloved leader knocked down to the scorers table. Any cohesive team will have players defending each other.

How come the other players didn't come off the bench to protect Nash? I guess they don't like Nash that much. "Legitimate response"? Give me a break. The Suns lost their cool. So we should make exceptions if the one getting fouled is the leader of the team or not? :roll:

The other players were not as close to Nash as those two. If they were, they would have gotten up. I'm not saying to get into a brawl, but it is commendable to come to the aid of your teammate.

No, you do NOT make exceptions whether a team leader or some schmo off the bench is fouled. You completely missed the point. Roll your eyes all you want. Your comprehension skill sucks.

 

[Ricochet]

Originally posted by: galperi1
Unless they change this rule... welcome to Thug basketball....

I can see it now... here comes the last player on the bench who usually get's 1-2 minutes a game and commits a FLAGRANT foul on say.. Tim Duncan, Chauncey Billups, Steve Nash, Ben Gordon, etc., in front of their bench. The other team obviously will get up out of a gut reaction and a sense of team and have 1-2 of their best players suspended if they were on the bench at the time and happen to get up and move a little.

This is a crap ruling and will ripple throughout the league and is definately not the message they should be sending.

Dirty play should not reward your team. Especially in the playoffs

Charles Barkley mentioned that he once came off the bench a few steps, caught himself, and sat back down. He was suspended for one game. The NBA ruling is to the letter regardless of how you behave. It's a sad affair when they cannot make a fair assessment.

 

[Dyloot]

Originally posted by: GPett

Originally posted by: GrimmRimmer
Man, the refs hate GS

You know calls are not going to go your way in the playoffs. Especially as an underdog. GS self destructed just like they have previously in the playoffs.

Jackson is a thug and he is a cancer for golden state. Hopefully next season they can trade Jackson for someone that will bring a more professional attitude to the team. As it is now GS plays like a jail-yard team. If they are not winning they cheap-shot people and argue demonstratively at the refs.

GS lost me as a fan because I do not like their thug mentality of only showing up to play when things are already going their way.

Edit: The inconsistent officiating has screwed up both western conference series. Both series could have been better basketball to watch. But, these refs have no consistency at all in their calls. How then are the players supposed to play if they have no clue what a foul is and isn't. Basketball is plagued by its absolutely attrocious officiating. Always has and always will. (I am not saying this because GS lost. That is not why GS lost. GS self destructed. But it could have been much better basketball if the refs called the game consistently.)

Jackson a thug and a cancer? That's such an easy statement to make. Last I checked, it was Jackson along with Baron that got us into the playoffs and beat the Mavs in the first round. I guess you'd like Dunleavy and Murphy back and a 32-50 record.

 

[Alienwho]

Jackson a thug and a cancer? That's such an easy statement to make. Last I checked, it was Jackson along with Baron that got us into the playoffs and beat the Mavs in the first round. I guess you'd like Dunleavy and Murphy back and a 32-50 record.

Jackson is a thug and a cancer. Anybody who doesn't recognize that must have some pretty thick blinders on. Most Warriors fans realize this fact and relish in it, and those who don't acknowledge it are in denial.

That's not to say that he isn't fun as hell to watch play (and by play I mean self destruct). He's his own worst enemy and that's what makes it so awesome.

 

[Miramonti]

Its no surprise that it was Stoudemire and Diaw who left the bench for the altercation - players who are young and relatively inexperienced in playoff basketball and intensity. Stoudemire missed almost an entire year too, which makes him even a little more green.

So I'd have to put part of the blame on youth, and part on experience (no Spurs left the bench), and part on poor coaching by the Suns, for not reminding players about this rule (particularly one the series started getting very contentious.)

Stern and Stu Jackson vehemently defended their decisions today. (unfortunately its posted as an 'espn insider' link) Definitely worth listening to Stern with Dan Patrick. Stern even chided Patrick - 'So we're supposed to make a rule thats contingent on how much money the nba will make or lose?' Stern went at it hard with Patrick's suggestion that Horry caused the suspension of the Sun's players, and that it should be applied differently because the Sun's players are impact players.

Either case, its fair to assume Stern will be watching the game on tv tonight and not courtside in Phoenix. 😛

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: UncleWai

Originally posted by: jjsole
There's no excuse by stoudemire and diaw, they left the bench, which time and time again has proven to be an instant suspension from the league in previous games.

The Suns countered by saying that Duncan and Bruce Bowen were guilty of a similar leaving-the-bench offense in Game 4's first half when San Antonio's Francisco Elson fell on the Suns' James Jones after a dunk. That play was also reviewed, but Jackson -- while conceding that Duncan "should not have been on the playing court" -- said that the league determined there was "no cause for the suspension rule" to be applied because the Elson-Jones tangle was not deemed to be an altercation.

There was no altercation when Duncan left the bench, so there was no applicable circumstance to apply the rule. Duncan also stood up to cheer the dunk, and stepped forward with a grimace on his face when Elston went down [possibly indicating he was more interested is seeing if Elston was injured] (these were Stu Jackson's comments on it today)

 

[Dyloot]

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Jackson a thug and a cancer? That's such an easy statement to make. Last I checked, it was Jackson along with Baron that got us into the playoffs and beat the Mavs in the first round. I guess you'd like Dunleavy and Murphy back and a 32-50 record.

Jackson is a thug and a cancer. Anybody who doesn't recognize that must have some pretty thick blinders on. Most Warriors fans realize this fact and relish in it, and those who don't acknowledge it are in denial.

That's not to say that he isn't fun as hell to watch play (and by play I mean self destruct). He's his own worst enemy and that's what makes it so awesome.

How have you come to this conclusion? From all the flagrant fouls and suspensions he hasn't had while helping lead the Warriors to the playoffs and to the second round? Jackson has some off the court problems, but he's loved by his teammates and he came up big for the Warriors this year.

But hey, I'm not going to change your mind. Believe what you want, since you obviously know the guy personally and can say first hand that he's a thug.

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: UncleWai

Originally posted by: jjsole
There's no excuse by stoudemire and diaw, they left the bench, which time and time again has proven to be an instant suspension from the league in previous games.

The Suns countered by saying that Duncan and Bruce Bowen were guilty of a similar leaving-the-bench offense in Game 4's first half when San Antonio's Francisco Elson fell on the Suns' James Jones after a dunk. That play was also reviewed, but Jackson -- while conceding that Duncan "should not have been on the playing court" -- said that the league determined there was "no cause for the suspension rule" to be applied because the Elson-Jones tangle was not deemed to be an altercation.

There was no altercation when Duncan left the bench, so there was no applicable circumstance to apply the rule. Duncan also stood up to cheer the dunk, and stepped forward with a grimace on his face when Elston went down [possibly indicating he was more interested is seeing if Elston was injured] (these were Stu Jackson's comments on it today)

And Amare and Diaw couldn't be concerned with Nash's health? :roll:

It's a bullsh!t ruling, everyone knows it. The NBA continues to shoot itself in the foot with its terrible refs, inability to use discretion in rulings, and complete oversights in other cases (hi, baron davis and bowen). Of course Stern is going to defend his position, but if he really had that much confidence in it he'd show up in Phoenix tonight. Oops, better duck and run.

What ever happened to common sense?

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: wkabel23

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: UncleWai

Originally posted by: jjsole
There's no excuse by stoudemire and diaw, they left the bench, which time and time again has proven to be an instant suspension from the league in previous games.

The Suns countered by saying that Duncan and Bruce Bowen were guilty of a similar leaving-the-bench offense in Game 4's first half when San Antonio's Francisco Elson fell on the Suns' James Jones after a dunk. That play was also reviewed, but Jackson -- while conceding that Duncan "should not have been on the playing court" -- said that the league determined there was "no cause for the suspension rule" to be applied because the Elson-Jones tangle was not deemed to be an altercation.

There was no altercation when Duncan left the bench, so there was no applicable circumstance to apply the rule. Duncan also stood up to cheer the dunk, and stepped forward with a grimace on his face when Elston went down [possibly indicating he was more interested is seeing if Elston was injured] (these were Stu Jackson's comments on it today)

And Amare and Diaw couldn't be concerned with Nash's health? :roll:

It's a bullsh!t ruling, everyone knows it. The NBA continues to shoot itself in the foot with its terrible refs, inability to use discretion in rulings, and complete oversights in other cases (hi, baron davis and bowen). Of course Stern is going to defend his position, but if he really had that much confidence in it he'd show up in Phoenix tonight. Oops, better duck and run.

What ever happened to common sense?

During an altercation? You can answer that one. The rule is as black and white as it gets, Diaw and Stoudemire broke it, Duncan did not.

Its also the owner's rule, and not Stern's. Stern enforces them, but doesn't make them. This rule has been around for what, almost 15 years?...and no owner has EVER proposed that it be changed or modified (to quote Stern.)

The correct suspension decisions were made, and its unfortunate that Stoudemire and Diaw fvcked up, but they are responsible for their mistakes, not Stern (and especially not Horry.)

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: wkabel23

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: UncleWai

Originally posted by: jjsole
There's no excuse by stoudemire and diaw, they left the bench, which time and time again has proven to be an instant suspension from the league in previous games.

The Suns countered by saying that Duncan and Bruce Bowen were guilty of a similar leaving-the-bench offense in Game 4's first half when San Antonio's Francisco Elson fell on the Suns' James Jones after a dunk. That play was also reviewed, but Jackson -- while conceding that Duncan "should not have been on the playing court" -- said that the league determined there was "no cause for the suspension rule" to be applied because the Elson-Jones tangle was not deemed to be an altercation.

There was no altercation when Duncan left the bench, so there was no applicable circumstance to apply the rule. Duncan also stood up to cheer the dunk, and stepped forward with a grimace on his face when Elston went down [possibly indicating he was more interested is seeing if Elston was injured] (these were Stu Jackson's comments on it today)

And Amare and Diaw couldn't be concerned with Nash's health? :roll:

It's a bullsh!t ruling, everyone knows it. The NBA continues to shoot itself in the foot with its terrible refs, inability to use discretion in rulings, and complete oversights in other cases (hi, baron davis and bowen). Of course Stern is going to defend his position, but if he really had that much confidence in it he'd show up in Phoenix tonight. Oops, better duck and run.

What ever happened to common sense?

During an altercation? You can answer that one. The rule is as black and white as it gets, Diaw and Stoudemire broke it, Duncan did not.

Its also the owner's rule, and not Stern's. Stern enforces them, but doesn't make them. This rule has been around for what, almost 15 years?...and no owner has EVER proposed that it be changed or modified (to quote Stern.)

The correct suspension decisions were made, and its unfortunate that Stoudemire and Diaw fvcked up, but they are responsible for their mistakes, not Stern (and especially not Horry.)

I do agree that he followed the rules in suspending them but I think the rules need to be slightly changed because it's a natural reaction to get up. Hell their ticket to the finals got knocked out, I would get up too. The thing is though that they know what the rule is and violated that rule. This is causing so much stir that something will happen and I'm sure something will also happen tonight at the game cus the "young" suns will not control themselves and do something stupid for retaliation. This coming from a Spurs fan.

 

[theeedude]

I knew there was a reason I stopped watching BB. But once in a while I need a reminder, and GS series was it for me. Now I can go back to ignoring the NBA for a few more years. If refs want to ruin the game, that's their call, but I have better things to do than watching games that are completely disrupted by poor officiating and refs on powertrips.

 

[waggy]

hmm seems like the refs are giving CLE a chance. not that NJ is helping with 0/9 shooting.

 

[Ricochet]

Both CLE and NJ shot very poorly in 4th qtr. Neither got a single basket in until about 5 mins left in the game.

 

[vi edit]

Duncan has been a man possessed this second half. He's like 5 for 5 since the start of the 3rd. Phoenix hasn't stopped him yet.

 

[Miramonti]

Spurs take the series lead 3-2.

I never thought I'd see the Bulls have a better chance of going to a game 7 against the Pistons than the Suns have to see a game 7 against the Spurs. :Q

 

[KLin]

Damnit I wish I had TNT right about now 🙁.

 

[KLin]

nvm, thought the Suns got eliminated. 😱

 

[tfinch2]

Man F Time Warner.

I waited all morning for some douche to come install digital cable in my new apartment, only for them to tell me they made a mistake and that it could have been turned on through the computer. So they turn it on, and I only get half of the digital cable channels, and TNTHD isn't one of them! :mad;

 

[wkabel23]

Great effort by the Suns. Unfortunately, they didn't have enough left in the tank at the end. Suns will still win the series though. Spurs have gotten away with too much bullsh!t for them to actually win. Karma baby.