*Official* #2 MICHIGAN WOLVERINES vs #1 OHIO ST BUCKEYES thread

[bunnyfubbles]

I'm going to vote against a rematch for a couple of reasons:

OSU lost the turnover battle 0-3 and still controlled the game up to the very end. (we know 10 of Michigan's points came from turnovers, and there's no telling what the ultimate effect on the scores those turnovers had as they easily could have negated potential OSU scoring drives as they rarely had trouble moving the ball)

Michigan lost this game but could potentially get a "do-over" as if this game didn't even count - but that means OSU wouldn't get a do-over if they lose that second game, and there certainly isn't going to be a chance for a "best of 3".

It is almost a flaw in the system, the two best teams in the NFL could very well be from the same division or even conference, however there is no chance both of those teams will get into the superbowl. Should two teams from the same conference be able to be THE two teams in the championship? All this talk certainly makes it seem as if it is very possible that it could happen, but perhaps it was an oversight (ie the rule makers never thought it could happen so no rule was made).

Who knows, maybe OSU and Michigan are the two best teams in the nation, and if that is the point of the championship then that is what we should see - a rematch.

Of course we could talk about a playoff system, however that would almost certainly entail major conference winners as earning playoff berths - something that Michigan wouldn't even get unless there was a wild card option...again, we're back at winning the conference.

Exciting stuff, it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out.

 

[dartworth]

Well I didn't get to watch the game because i got called into work at 1...🙁 and just got home now

anyways...w00t for the Buckeyes!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!1

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
I'm going to vote against a rematch for a couple of reasons:

OSU lost the turnover battle 0-3 and still controlled the game up to the very end. (we know 10 of Michigan's points came from turnovers, and there's no telling what the ultimate effect on the scores those turnovers had as they easily could have negated potential OSU scoring drives as they rarely had trouble moving the ball)

Michigan lost this game but could potentially get a "do-over" as if this game didn't even count - but that means OSU wouldn't get a do-over if they lose that second game, and there certainly isn't going to be a chance for a "best of 3".

It is almost a flaw in the system, the two best teams in the NFL could very well be from the same division or even conference, however there is no chance both of those teams will get into the superbowl. Should two teams from the same conference be able to be THE two teams in the championship? All this talk certainly makes it seem as if it is very possible that it could happen, but perhaps it was an oversight (ie the rule makers never thought it could happen so no rule was made).

Who knows, maybe OSU and Michigan are the two best teams in the nation, and if that is the point of the championship then that is what we should see - a rematch.

Of course we could talk about a playoff system, however that would almost certainly entail major conference winners as earning playoff berths - something that Michigan wouldn't even get unless there was a wild card option...again, we're back at winning the conference.

Exciting stuff, it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out.

My main reason for not wanting to see a rematch is the fact that they have no conference championship game. If two teams in the SEC were undefeated and played each other the last day of the regular season one of them would lose. They would then (probably, depending on east/west affiliation) meet again in the conference championship game and more than likely this would knock one of them out of the national championship game. The Pac 10 and Big 10 don't have to worry about this.

We need an 8 team playoff. 6 automatic bids to the 6 major conferences and 2 wild cards.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
I'm going to vote against a rematch for a couple of reasons:

OSU lost the turnover battle 0-3 and still controlled the game up to the very end. (we know 10 of Michigan's points came from turnovers, and there's no telling what the ultimate effect on the scores those turnovers had as they easily could have negated potential OSU scoring drives as they rarely had trouble moving the ball)

Michigan lost this game but could potentially get a "do-over" as if this game didn't even count - but that means OSU wouldn't get a do-over if they lose that second game, and there certainly isn't going to be a chance for a "best of 3".

It is almost a flaw in the system, the two best teams in the NFL could very well be from the same division or even conference, however there is no chance both of those teams will get into the superbowl. Should two teams from the same conference be able to be THE two teams in the championship? All this talk certainly makes it seem as if it is very possible that it could happen, but perhaps it was an oversight (ie the rule makers never thought it could happen so no rule was made).

Who knows, maybe OSU and Michigan are the two best teams in the nation, and if that is the point of the championship then that is what we should see - a rematch.

Of course we could talk about a playoff system, however that would almost certainly entail major conference winners as earning playoff berths - something that Michigan wouldn't even get unless there was a wild card option...again, we're back at winning the conference.

Exciting stuff, it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out.

My main reason for not wanting to see a rematch is the fact that they have no conference championship game. If two teams in the SEC were undefeated and played each other the last day of the regular season one of them would lose. They would then (probably, depending on east/west affiliation) meet again in the conference championship game and more than likely this would knock one of them out of the national championship game. The Pac 10 and Big 10 don't have to worry about this.

We need an 8 team playoff. 6 automatic bids to the 6 major conferences and 2 wild cards.

That is another point, but that doesn't rule everything out. Arkansas and Florida could have both gone undefeated until a potential conference championship and they could have been in the same boat. Granted I totally agree that it greatly reduces the chances of two teams from the same conference going undefeated (let alone one with one loss and still being considered as #2 in the nation)

But I definitely agree. Wisconsin could have beaten Michigan to go 12-0, meaning Ohio State and Wisconsin in the "national championship" in order to determine the "conference championship"...pretty BS when, if in another conference, those teams would probably meet in a conference championship. But to be fair, if such a potential conference championship game ended the same way OSU vs. Mich, then we'd still be in this same situation. Even worse is we could still have a 2nd one-loss team to OSU from the same conference (as Wisconsin potentially could have had neither OSU or UM on their schedule and gone 12-0) meaning an 11-1 UM could still be in the picture for consideration as the 2nd best team in the nation. Of course this goes back to what I mentioned in my other post about messed up rules (or lack thereof) for determining championship teams (ie you should need to win your conference).

 

[meltdown75]

Congrats to OSU.

We sandwiched the first 3 quarters in between a wedding ceremony and reception so all we got was score updates at the end of the game.

Interested to see what happens with the title and all the stuff going on. If they don't end up playing each other, OSU and Michigan's respective opponents are going to get teh beatdown.

 

[Red Dawn]

I'm a fan of USC and the PAC Ten in general but I don't think USC would stand a chance against OSU and probably would have to play out their ass to beat Michigan. IMO the two best teams still are OSU#1 and Michigan#2 and the rest are just also runs. If it's any other team besides Michigan playing OSU for the title it would me a rout in OSU's favor and really not worthy watching past the midway point of the second quater.

 

[w3stfa11]

I'm just wondering for the OSU fans, if OSU lost, would you be in favor of a hypothetical rematch between UM and OSU for the title game?

 

[mugs]

On one hand I'd like to see an OSU/UM rematch, but on the other hand I don't want to hear USC fans whining about how they got shut out of another national championship game.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
Congrats to OSU.

We sandwiched the first 3 quarters in between a wedding ceremony and reception so all we got was score updates at the end of the game.

Interested to see what happens with the title and all the stuff going on. If they don't end up playing each other, OSU and Michigan's respective opponents are going to get teh beatdown.

I was at a wedding too, but we were watching it at the bar 😀

 

[boggsie]

Originally posted by: w3stfa11
I'm just wondering for the OSU fans, if OSU lost, would you be in favor of a hypothetical rematch between UM and OSU for the title game?

Personally; No!

I would be in favor of it from an emotional perspective, but it really doesn't make sense in this scenario, IMHO. I took this game as a type of playoff. Michigan (or Ohio State in a loss) may be the second best team, but in this game they had their chance to get to a title game and lost.

My thought is that if you are in any way in favor of a tournament or playoff, then it is difficult to justify a rematch, as this game simply served as an elimination match on the way to the championship.

 

[drum]

first of all Go blue.
second, NO REMATCH.
We had our chance and blew it. simple as that.

If there was a rematch the whole country would be pissed and then inevitably after Michigan won the game NO ONE except Michigan would be happy. What has been proven? OSU 1- UM 1.
Give USC or Florida a chance.

As for the helmet contact on Smith, it was more contact than the OSU lineman had on Colt Mccoy at Texas that gave them a TD.
OSU is clearly the better team. If they hadn't turned it over we wouldn't have even been in the game.

 

[Spineshank]

Michigan is #2 in the AP poll now.

 

[dartworth]

O - H -I - O

 

[NeoV]

great game

penalty was a big play, but it was the correct call, a bonehead play by the defender

I would only say they should have a rematch if Florida, Arkansas, and USC all end up with 2 losses

keep this in mind - Michigan played turnover-free football, and aside from the big penalty that everyone has talked about, made very few mistakes - they played pretty much as well as they can play, and still gave up 500 yds of offense.

OSU's offense made quite a few mistakes in the 2nd half - if they don't turn the ball over they win the game by 16-20 pts.

They are clearly the best team in the country this year.

I will be furious if ND beats USC and gets to play OSU - Michigan beat them by 21, and in no way shape or form should ND pass them in the BCS standings.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: NeoV
I will be furious if ND beats USC and gets to play OSU - Michigan beat them by 21, and in no way shape or form should ND pass them in the BCS standings.

I feel the same way about Cal/Tennessee but hey, on this forum I'm in the minority. 🙂

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: drum
first of all Go blue.
second, NO REMATCH.
We had our chance and blew it. simple as that.

If there was a rematch the whole country would be pissed and then inevitably after Michigan won the game NO ONE except Michigan would be happy.

Why? Why does it matter that Michigan already lost to the #1 team? What if they ARE the second best team in the country? Should they be punished because they lost a close game to the best team in the country?

What has been proven? OSU 1- UM 1.

So? 😕 The last game - the national championship game - is the one that matters.

 

[drum]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: drum
first of all Go blue.
second, NO REMATCH.
We had our chance and blew it. simple as that.

If there was a rematch the whole country would be pissed and then inevitably after Michigan won the game NO ONE except Michigan would be happy.

Why? Why does it matter that Michigan already lost to the #1 team? What if they ARE the second best team in the country? Should they be punished because they lost a close game to the best team in the country?

What has been proven? OSU 1- UM 1.

So? 😕 The last game - the national championship game - is the one that matters.

Mugs,
no offense to you, in Big Ten country, for me at least as a UM fan being Columbus, this game is unlike anything else.

I would love to be the champion no doubt. unfortunately this isn;t like an NBA or similar format playoff. around here this is it.
as far as i'm concerned, if we couldn't beat them once, and we wound;t have been in the game without their turnovers, we don;t deserve a shot to beat them again. especially for the title!.

If ND gets to the NC game they will be embarrassed again!! guess why they didn't join the big ten, look at the last games against OSU and UM.

I love my boys in Maize and blue but OSU has earned a chance against another conference.

 

[rocadelpunk]

I think the majority of ohio state/michigan fans would never want a rematch...close games/decisive games/*ruined* season games...just a small part of what makes the rivalry great.

It would take away so much from *beat michigan week*/rivalry/everything built up for this one game...to have it, effectively, mean nada.

No matter how great/****** a season is...if we beat the team from up north, it changes everything.

Granted, we are the 1/2 teams

 

[state 08]

On our field

 

[kalster]

Lol, Urban meyer chimes in

 

[dogooder]

Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
I think the majority of ohio state/michigan fans would never want a rematch...close games/decisive games/*ruined* season games...just a small part of what makes the rivalry great.

It would take away so much from *beat michigan week*/rivalry/everything built up for this one game...to have it, effectively, mean nada.

No matter how great/****** a season is...if we beat the team from up north, it changes everything.

Granted, we are the 1/2 teams

QFT, from a UM guy. That was The Game, we had our shot. OSU/UM are the best two teams, and a rematch would be an absolutely great game, but I agree that it shouldn't take place. Hopefully, USC or Florida will win out and make it a moot point.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: NeoV
great game

penalty was a big play, but it was the correct call, a bonehead play by the defender

I would only say they should have a rematch if Florida, Arkansas, and USC all end up with 2 losses

keep this in mind - Michigan played turnover-free football, and aside from the big penalty that everyone has talked about, made very few mistakes - they played pretty much as well as they can play, and still gave up 500 yds of offense.

OSU's offense made quite a few mistakes in the 2nd half - if they don't turn the ball over they win the game by 16-20 pts.

They are clearly the best team in the country this year.

I will be furious if ND beats USC and gets to play OSU - Michigan beat them by 21, and in no way shape or form should ND pass them in the BCS standings.

I agree with this 110%. I don't think the OSU/Mich score really reflects what happened in the game.

HOWEVER, Michigan is clearly the #2 team in the country and, at the end of the day, only lost to #1 by 3 points... ON THE ROAD. Like I said, the score doesn't tell the whole story, but any game other than OSU/Mich for the title would be annihilation.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: kalster
Lol, Urban meyer chimes in

Florida would get destroyed by either OSU or Michigan. I say let Florida play'em. 🙂

Urban Meyer can take that lameass spread offense and shove it where the sun don't shine.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: NeoV
great game

penalty was a big play, but it was the correct call, a bonehead play by the defender

I would only say they should have a rematch if Florida, Arkansas, and USC all end up with 2 losses

keep this in mind - Michigan played turnover-free football, and aside from the big penalty that everyone has talked about, made very few mistakes - they played pretty much as well as they can play, and still gave up 500 yds of offense.

OSU's offense made quite a few mistakes in the 2nd half - if they don't turn the ball over they win the game by 16-20 pts.

They are clearly the best team in the country this year.

I will be furious if ND beats USC and gets to play OSU - Michigan beat them by 21, and in no way shape or form should ND pass them in the BCS standings.

I agree with this 110%. I don't think the OSU/Mich score really reflects what happened in the game.

HOWEVER, Michigan is clearly the #2 team in the country and, at the end of the day, only lost to #1 by 3 points... ON THE ROAD. Like I said, the score doesn't tell the whole story, but any game other than OSU/Mich for the title would be annihilation.

If it's a rematch then it's not a National Championship Game...it's a "Ooops, here's a do-over. Try to win it this time" game. I won't watch the BCS Championship if it's a do-over.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: NeoV
great game

penalty was a big play, but it was the correct call, a bonehead play by the defender

I would only say they should have a rematch if Florida, Arkansas, and USC all end up with 2 losses

keep this in mind - Michigan played turnover-free football, and aside from the big penalty that everyone has talked about, made very few mistakes - they played pretty much as well as they can play, and still gave up 500 yds of offense.

OSU's offense made quite a few mistakes in the 2nd half - if they don't turn the ball over they win the game by 16-20 pts.

They are clearly the best team in the country this year.

I will be furious if ND beats USC and gets to play OSU - Michigan beat them by 21, and in no way shape or form should ND pass them in the BCS standings.

I agree with this 110%. I don't think the OSU/Mich score really reflects what happened in the game.

HOWEVER, Michigan is clearly the #2 team in the country and, at the end of the day, only lost to #1 by 3 points... ON THE ROAD. Like I said, the score doesn't tell the whole story, but any game other than OSU/Mich for the title would be annihilation.

If it's a rematch then it's not a National Championship Game...it's a "Ooops, here's a do-over. Try to win it this time" game. I won't watch the BCS Championship if it's a do-over.

The other side of that coin, however, is sending a less-worthy team.

I see the arguments for both sides, and they both make sense:

1. Mich IS the #2 team in the country, so they should go.
2. Mich had it's shot, so it shouldn't get another one.


Both are correct. It all boils down to OPINION at that point, and my OPINION is that #1 overrides #2. Sending any other team a) makes for a boring game, and b) isn't pitting #1 against #2, which is precisely what a title game should be.