*Official* #2 MICHIGAN WOLVERINES vs #1 OHIO ST BUCKEYES thread

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OSU Won!

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Ok... I'm finished.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: NeoV
great game

penalty was a big play, but it was the correct call, a bonehead play by the defender

I would only say they should have a rematch if Florida, Arkansas, and USC all end up with 2 losses

keep this in mind - Michigan played turnover-free football, and aside from the big penalty that everyone has talked about, made very few mistakes - they played pretty much as well as they can play, and still gave up 500 yds of offense.

OSU's offense made quite a few mistakes in the 2nd half - if they don't turn the ball over they win the game by 16-20 pts.

They are clearly the best team in the country this year.

I will be furious if ND beats USC and gets to play OSU - Michigan beat them by 21, and in no way shape or form should ND pass them in the BCS standings.

I agree with this 110%. I don't think the OSU/Mich score really reflects what happened in the game.

HOWEVER, Michigan is clearly the #2 team in the country and, at the end of the day, only lost to #1 by 3 points... ON THE ROAD. Like I said, the score doesn't tell the whole story, but any game other than OSU/Mich for the title would be annihilation.

If it's a rematch then it's not a National Championship Game...it's a "Ooops, here's a do-over. Try to win it this time" game. I won't watch the BCS Championship if it's a do-over.

The other side of that coin, however, is sending a less-worthy team.

I see the arguments for both sides, and they both make sense:

1. Mich IS the #2 team in the country, so they should go.
2. Mich had it's shot, so it shouldn't get another one.


Both are correct. It all boils down to OPINION at that point, and my OPINION is that #1 overrides #2. Sending any other team a) makes for a boring game, and b) isn't pitting #1 against #2, which is precisely what a title game should be.

I'm definately of the opinion that Michigan had their shot. Now it's someone else's turn to try and knock them off.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: NeoV
great game

penalty was a big play, but it was the correct call, a bonehead play by the defender

I would only say they should have a rematch if Florida, Arkansas, and USC all end up with 2 losses

keep this in mind - Michigan played turnover-free football, and aside from the big penalty that everyone has talked about, made very few mistakes - they played pretty much as well as they can play, and still gave up 500 yds of offense.

OSU's offense made quite a few mistakes in the 2nd half - if they don't turn the ball over they win the game by 16-20 pts.

They are clearly the best team in the country this year.

I will be furious if ND beats USC and gets to play OSU - Michigan beat them by 21, and in no way shape or form should ND pass them in the BCS standings.

I agree with this 110%. I don't think the OSU/Mich score really reflects what happened in the game.

HOWEVER, Michigan is clearly the #2 team in the country and, at the end of the day, only lost to #1 by 3 points... ON THE ROAD. Like I said, the score doesn't tell the whole story, but any game other than OSU/Mich for the title would be annihilation.

If it's a rematch then it's not a National Championship Game...it's a "Ooops, here's a do-over. Try to win it this time" game. I won't watch the BCS Championship if it's a do-over.

The other side of that coin, however, is sending a less-worthy team.

I see the arguments for both sides, and they both make sense:

1. Mich IS the #2 team in the country, so they should go.
2. Mich had it's shot, so it shouldn't get another one.


Both are correct. It all boils down to OPINION at that point, and my OPINION is that #1 overrides #2. Sending any other team a) makes for a boring game, and b) isn't pitting #1 against #2, which is precisely what a title game should be.

I'm definately of the opinion that Michigan had their shot. Now it's someone else's turn to try and knock them off.

Fair enough. Like I said, I see both sides and they're both 100% legitimate. I think this highlights a major weakness in the system.

In the end, I just want a good title game.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: drum

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: drum
first of all Go blue.
second, NO REMATCH.
We had our chance and blew it. simple as that.

If there was a rematch the whole country would be pissed and then inevitably after Michigan won the game NO ONE except Michigan would be happy.

Why? Why does it matter that Michigan already lost to the #1 team? What if they ARE the second best team in the country? Should they be punished because they lost a close game to the best team in the country?

What has been proven? OSU 1- UM 1.

So? 😕 The last game - the national championship game - is the one that matters.

Mugs,
no offense to you, in Big Ten country, for me at least as a UM fan being Columbus, this game is unlike anything else.

I would love to be the champion no doubt. unfortunately this isn;t like an NBA or similar format playoff. around here this is it.
as far as i'm concerned, if we couldn't beat them once, and we wound;t have been in the game without their turnovers, we don;t deserve a shot to beat them again. especially for the title!.

If ND gets to the NC game they will be embarrassed again!! guess why they didn't join the big ten, look at the last games against OSU and UM.

I love my boys in Maize and blue but OSU has earned a chance against another conference.

I won't take offense. 🙂 I just think that IF Michigan is the number 2 team in the country, they shouldn't drop down to number 3 just because they happen to be in the same conference as number 1 so they've already played. I think if OSU wasn't undefeated, hadn't been ranked #1 ALL year, and wasn't so far ahead of the next few teams, people would be looking at it differently - it wouldn't be about which team has had a chance at deposing the clear champion.

 

[meltdown75]

Each team plays their schedule out, and at the end of the year the top 2 teams play for the National Championship.

It doesn't matter what conference they are in, or if they are in the same one.

Ergo, since Michigan is clearly the best of the 1-loss teams and clearly the second-best team in the country, there should be a rematch.

If OSU had lost, their fans would definitely be crying for a rematch.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: drum
If ND gets to the NC game they will be embarrassed again!! guess why they didn't join the big ten, look at the last games against OSU and UM.

And herein lies the common ground between OSU and UM: a borderline HATRED for Notre Dame. As an OSU fan, I respect Michigan and their football program... but I have nothing but disrespect for those cockheads in Indiana.

The Big Ten OOOOOOOWNS those sh|t-faced turds from South Bend!

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
If OSU had lost, their fans would definitely be crying for a rematch.

I would call it "demanding" rather than "crying", but yes... if Mich won and OSU was ranked #2, then I would be DEMANDING a rematch. This is why I believe Mich deserves a rematch: they're still #2.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: meltdown75
If OSU had lost, their fans would definitely be crying for a rematch.

I would call it "demanding" rather than "crying", but yes... if Mich won and OSU was ranked #2, then I would be DEMANDING a rematch. This is why I believe Mich deserves a rematch: they're still #2.

Exactly.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: meltdown75
If OSU had lost, their fans would definitely be crying for a rematch.

I would call it "demanding" rather than "crying", but yes... if Mich won and OSU was ranked #2, then I would be DEMANDING a rematch. This is why I believe Mich deserves a rematch: they're still #2.

So if USC runs the table, do you think Mich is more deserving? Let's say they spank ND just as bad as Mich did.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
Each team plays their schedule out, and at the end of the year the top 2 teams play for the National Championship.

It doesn't matter what conference they are in, or if they are in the same one.

Ergo, since Michigan is clearly the best of the 1-loss teams and clearly the second-best team in the country, there should be a rematch.

If OSU had lost, their fans would definitely be crying for a rematch.

Actually, I can guarantee you I would not be calling for a rematch. If OSU had lost then I would be of the same opinion. OSU had their shot and blew it...time for someone else to take a shot.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: meltdown75
If OSU had lost, their fans would definitely be crying for a rematch.

I would call it "demanding" rather than "crying", but yes... if Mich won and OSU was ranked #2, then I would be DEMANDING a rematch. This is why I believe Mich deserves a rematch: they're still #2.

So if USC runs the table, do you think Mich is more deserving? Let's say they spank ND just as bad as Mich did.

I do. Think about who each team lost to. Michigan to the #1 team in the country. USC to unranked Oregon State? Everything else remaining the same, Michigan is a much better team IMO than USC is. And as much as I hate ND, and I really do - I don't think USC is going to steamroll them the way Michigan did.

 

[mpitts]

Team A
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Record against BCS Top 10 - 1-0
Record against BCS Top 25 - 3-0
Lost to: #28
Projected Final Strength of Schedule - 1

Team B
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Record against BCS Top 10 - 2-1
Record against BCS Top 25 - 3-1
Lost to: #1
Projected Final Strength of Schedule - 4

Team C
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Record against BCS Top 10 - 1-0
Record against BCS Top 25 - 3-1
Lost to: #12
Projected Final Strength of Schedule - 7


Take a look at all three of those teams and tell me that each one of them can't make their own case to play for the BCS championship.

All three have excellent records against ranked opponents.
All three have schedules that project to rank in the top 10 in the country

And just a side note for those people who don't believe Michigan deserves a rematch against Ohio State. A playoff system would only help it happen. Imagine if there was a +1 game that meant something. If Michigan and Ohio State win their bowls, they would play again.

 

[Spineshank]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: meltdown75
If OSU had lost, their fans would definitely be crying for a rematch.

I would call it "demanding" rather than "crying", but yes... if Mich won and OSU was ranked #2, then I would be DEMANDING a rematch. This is why I believe Mich deserves a rematch: they're still #2.

So if USC runs the table, do you think Mich is more deserving? Let's say they spank ND just as bad as Mich did.

I personally could care less if they run the table. They had their shot just like everyone else and lost to an unranked team.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: meltdown75
If OSU had lost, their fans would definitely be crying for a rematch.

I would call it "demanding" rather than "crying", but yes... if Mich won and OSU was ranked #2, then I would be DEMANDING a rematch. This is why I believe Mich deserves a rematch: they're still #2.

So if USC runs the table, do you think Mich is more deserving? Let's say they spank ND just as bad as Mich did.

USC would have won at home. Michigan won on the road
USC's loss would still be the worst of the three highest rated one-loss teams

but

USC would have a better overall strength of schedule (very slightly)

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: meltdown75
Each team plays their schedule out, and at the end of the year the top 2 teams play for the National Championship.

It doesn't matter what conference they are in, or if they are in the same one.

Ergo, since Michigan is clearly the best of the 1-loss teams and clearly the second-best team in the country, there should be a rematch.

If OSU had lost, their fans would definitely be crying for a rematch.

Actually, I can guarantee you I would not be calling for a rematch. If OSU had lost then I would be of the same opinion. OSU had their shot and blew it...time for someone else to take a shot.

I'll take your word on that, but if OSU were still ranked #2, which I'm sure they would be if they lost, they would be playing Michigan for the championship. That's just the way it goes, we don't make the rules. This is the system that is in place, our mutual opinions on it won't change anything.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: meltdown75
If OSU had lost, their fans would definitely be crying for a rematch.

I would call it "demanding" rather than "crying", but yes... if Mich won and OSU was ranked #2, then I would be DEMANDING a rematch. This is why I believe Mich deserves a rematch: they're still #2.

So if USC runs the table, do you think Mich is more deserving? Let's say they spank ND just as bad as Mich did.

I personally could care less if they run the table. They had their shot just like everyone else and lost to an unranked team.

While true, voters will have amnesia about Oregon State after the USC/ND game. And considering USC in only mere single digit points behind Michigan in the BCS, no way that lead will hold with a solid win against ND. The truth hurts, but USC will be in the title game if they run the table. I personally think ND and USC are two of the most overrated teams in the country and would rather see Michigan but the facts are the facts.

This would be great news for Big East fans because then Michigan will get to play a Big East or at large bid team in the Rose bowl. I'd love to see Louisville or WVU vs Michigan, it would be a guaranteed shootout.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: meltdown75
Each team plays their schedule out, and at the end of the year the top 2 teams play for the National Championship.

It doesn't matter what conference they are in, or if they are in the same one.

Ergo, since Michigan is clearly the best of the 1-loss teams and clearly the second-best team in the country, there should be a rematch.

If OSU had lost, their fans would definitely be crying for a rematch.

Actually, I can guarantee you I would not be calling for a rematch. If OSU had lost then I would be of the same opinion. OSU had their shot and blew it...time for someone else to take a shot.

I'll take your word on that, but if OSU were still ranked #2, which I'm sure they would be if they lost, they would be playing Michigan for the championship. That's just the way it goes, we don't make the rules. This is the system that is in place, our mutual opinions on it won't change anything.

I don't like the idea of a "do-over". I didn't like it in 2004 when we had to play Tennessee twice (regular season & SEC championship), I didn't like it earlier when it looked like Auburn would have to play Florida twice (regular season & SEC championship), and I don't like it now. Someone else deserves a shot, Michigan had their chance.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: meltdown75
Each team plays their schedule out, and at the end of the year the top 2 teams play for the National Championship.

It doesn't matter what conference they are in, or if they are in the same one.

Ergo, since Michigan is clearly the best of the 1-loss teams and clearly the second-best team in the country, there should be a rematch.

If OSU had lost, their fans would definitely be crying for a rematch.

Actually, I can guarantee you I would not be calling for a rematch. If OSU had lost then I would be of the same opinion. OSU had their shot and blew it...time for someone else to take a shot.

I'll take your word on that, but if OSU were still ranked #2, which I'm sure they would be if they lost, they would be playing Michigan for the championship. That's just the way it goes, we don't make the rules. This is the system that is in place, our mutual opinions on it won't change anything.

I don't like the idea of a "do-over". I didn't like it in 2004 when we had to play Tennessee twice (regular season & SEC championship), I didn't like it earlier when it looked like Auburn would have to play Florida twice (regular season & SEC championship), and I don't like it now. Someone else deserves a shot, Michigan had their chance.

Had their chance at what? They finished their schedule and they are ranked #2. End of story.

 

[Spineshank]

I dont know why everyone states Michigan had their shot. Its not their fault nor anyone elses that they went into the finale game of the regular season ranked #2 and OSU happened to be #1 at the end of their regular season. This wasnt a Big Ten title game or anything, it was the regular season. Michigan needs to be in the title cause otherwise we are going to have another USC vs OK where we all knew OK was very over rated and it showed.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
I dont know why everyone states Michigan had their shot. Its not their fault nor anyone elses that they went into the finale game of the regular season ranked #2 and OSU happened to be #1 at the end of their regular season. This wasnt a Big Ten title game or anything, it was the regular season. Michigan needs to be in the title cause otherwise we are going to have another USC vs OK where we all knew OK was very over rated and it showed.

actually it would be more like the year before that (2003) when Oklohoma didnt win their conference and got in where as USC won their conference and didnt get in the BCS game

 

[SP33Demon]

You guys are getting huffy over nothing, let's see if USC can beat ND and then talk about where Michigan is ranked. I guarantee you USC will be ahead, but to get all emo about it this early is useless, we don't even know if USC will beat ND yet.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: mpitts
And just a side note for those people who don't believe Michigan deserves a rematch against Ohio State. A playoff system would only help it happen. Imagine if there was a +1 game that meant something. If Michigan and Ohio State win their bowls, they would play again.

I'm fine with a rematch in a playoff because other teams would have a chance at #1 too. But without a playoff someone else should get to take a shot since Michigan already had theirs. And I still contend that it isn't a given that these are the two best teams. Who have they played? OSU played Texas at the beginning of the year when McCoy was still very inexperienced and Michigan beat up ND... the same ND that this forum almost universally thinks is overrated. So what have either really proven? IMO, all they proved is their defenses are suspect. The Big Ten is crap beyond those teams. I'm not saying they aren't the best, but that should be proven against the best from another conference in the NC game. A rematch proves nothing and would ultimately be unfair to OSU.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: meltdown75
If OSU had lost, their fans would definitely be crying for a rematch.

I would call it "demanding" rather than "crying", but yes... if Mich won and OSU was ranked #2, then I would be DEMANDING a rematch. This is why I believe Mich deserves a rematch: they're still #2.

So if USC runs the table, do you think Mich is more deserving? Let's say they spank ND just as bad as Mich did.

For the life of me I can't figure out why people keep asking this. USC lost to team that is currently unranked at 7-4. Michigan's loss was to the #1 ranked team (11-0) in the country.

People keep bringing up USC as if their loss was less significant than Michigan's.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
I dont know why everyone states Michigan had their shot. Its not their fault nor anyone elses that they went into the finale game of the regular season ranked #2 and OSU happened to be #1 at the end of their regular season. This wasnt a Big Ten title game or anything, it was the regular season. Michigan needs to be in the title cause otherwise we are going to have another USC vs OK where we all knew OK was very over rated and it showed.

actually it would be more like the year before that (2003) when Oklohoma didnt win their conference and got in where as USC won their conference and didnt get in the BCS game

Hrmm...also an interesting point. Don't you have to win your conference to get to the BCS title game?

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
I dont know why everyone states Michigan had their shot. Its not their fault nor anyone elses that they went into the finale game of the regular season ranked #2 and OSU happened to be #1 at the end of their regular season. This wasnt a Big Ten title game or anything, it was the regular season. Michigan needs to be in the title cause otherwise we are going to have another USC vs OK where we all knew OK was very over rated and it showed.

actually it would be more like the year before that (2003) when Oklohoma didnt win their conference and got in where as USC won their conference and didnt get in the BCS game

Hrmm...also an interesting point. Don't you have to win your conference to get to the BCS title game?

Nope. Nebraska did it too (in 2001 I think)