Luck or genius, he hasn't gone a game without some questionable decisions. Taking out Lowe in game 4 when he was pitching great, only to use Foulke way early. It worked, but it's nuts to think Foulke plays lights out while Flash/Mo blow it. Trying to steal with Ortiz? That was an amazing, gut wrenching move that caught everyone by surprise. WTH is Tek batting right against a right hander? Picking when to put in Roberts (for Millar twice) was on cue, leaving Ortiz onbase at first with 1 out in early extra innings came up roses. There were some bad decisions in hindsight, but for the most part he knew when to step in and when to leave it alone. He can't keep it up, Boston needs to get an "easy" game if they want to win the ALCS. Last inning heroics don't work as well at Yankee stadium. They need to hit Lieber hard, early, and often. New York needs to drag out Boston's advance with some tedious offense, as it would take super-human effort for Lieber to play like he did in game 2. How/if Mendoza pitches in relief may be the deciding factor tomorrow.
Luck or genius, he hasn't gone a game without some questionable decisions. Taking out Lowe in game 4 when he was pitching great, only to use Foulke way early. It worked, but it's nuts to think Foulke plays lights out while Flash/Mo blow it. Trying to steal with Ortiz? That was an amazing, gut wrenching move that caught everyone by surprise. WTH is Tek batting right against a right hander? Picking when to put in Roberts (for Millar twice) was on cue, leaving Ortiz onbase at first with 1 out in early extra innings came up roses. There were some bad decisions in hindsight, but for the most part he knew when to step in and when to leave it alone. He can't keep it up, Boston needs to get an "easy" game if they want to win the ALCS. Last inning heroics don't work as well at Yankee stadium. They need to hit Lieber hard, early, and often. New York needs to drag out Boston's advance with some tedious offense, as it would take super-human effort for Lieber to play like he did in game 2. How/if Mendoza pitches in relief may be the deciding factor tomorrow.
What a great series this is turning out to be. The Sox are showing some serious heart out there not giving up. Getting to Rivera twice, something that has never happened, and probably never will against any other team. Much props to Wakefield to battle through pass balls, and that yankee lineup on fumes. Hopefully tomorrow will get rained out and both teams can get some rest for what will be some more intense baseball.
Originally posted by: mattlear
Wow, what a great 2 games!
I'm a yankees fan (really!) and I have to say kudos to Boston for hanging in there.
As far as Rivera getting owned? How can you blame tonight on him? Gordon bombed. He had guys all over the place, and rivera came in with no outs and a man on third. Sorry, him giving up 1 run doesn't equate to getting owned (now, Sunday nights game is different... they did own Rivera)
Anyways, I still think the yanks are going to win this series, and most likely tomorrow night.
I didn't want folks to think I was a fair weather poster, hence me posting this at 1:46am.
Great series, I hope the yanks blast schilling again tomorrow, and close out this Sox team.
Go Yanks!
He's working off of a 40 pitch outing, he pitched his way out of an inning I thought Boston would win it in. The closest thing to a Yankee being owned was Wakefield's jaw-dropping knuckleball, hardly their fault. For some ownage look at the NLCS with both teams throwing 1 hitters when the NY/Boston game ended.
without Torre, yankees wouldnt have all those rings. yes ONLY TORRE COULD HAVE MANAGED ALL THOSE PERSONALITIES
aw cmon. after the season ends they will have many months to rest. they get paid millions and playing three days straight (even though games are very long) isnt impossible.
People say that, and it's right to a degree, but the workload the past few games of this series has been insane.
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looks like i'm too late for the flamewar, i just got back from work. sucks i had to leave in the botom of the 11th!
i must say schilling pitching tomorrow has me a little concerned. how much damage willbe allowed before he's yanked? considering the situation of a game 6 and the fact that the bullpen is gassed.
if this has already been discussed i apologize
i must say schilling pitching tomorrow has me a little concerned. how much damage willbe allowed before he's yanked? considering the situation of a game 6 and the fact that the bullpen is gassed.
if this has already been discussed i apologize
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Let's see.
A walk, a stolen base, a base hit.
Last night he gave up a fly ball.
PUNK'D?
You should thank your lucky stars.
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Torre is no idiot....I think he knew by the bottom 9th that red sox were gonna win....so he just let everything happen as it did. He knows better than to strain his bullpen anymore than he did b/c he would need it back in NY. Torre knows that if New York has to go to their bullpen tonight, it's gonna get ugly for them, so they might as well get as much rest as possible.....
Red Sox were astounding with their relief. Arroyo pitched awsome when he came in. He challenged those batters really well. As for Wakefeild, that guy can keep his composure so well.
As for Pedro not worth the big bucks, i agree. He was dominant, he is still good, but he can't last long.
Oh, Ortiz>Manny, for now. Sorry, but Manny has almost been as bad as Damon in this series.
Red Sox were astounding with their relief. Arroyo pitched awsome when he came in. He challenged those batters really well. As for Wakefeild, that guy can keep his composure so well.
As for Pedro not worth the big bucks, i agree. He was dominant, he is still good, but he can't last long.
Oh, Ortiz>Manny, for now. Sorry, but Manny has almost been as bad as Damon in this series.
Right, but it's equal on both sides, and that's what makes a ball game. This one ain't up to us, it's up to mother nature and to the officials. At this point, it looks like the game will be played in a light rain, cold and windy. Miserable. Looks like the ALCS will go to whichever team still has players alive at the end.
At least these games are short.
I was joking that Monday's game would end at midnight.
It very nearly did!
Still, it's not the NBA. They seem to stretch out a series FOREVER with lots of days off.
The World Series starts on Saturday.
I was joking that Monday's game would end at midnight.
It very nearly did!
Still, it's not the NBA. They seem to stretch out a series FOREVER with lots of days off.
The World Series starts on Saturday.
After watching the bits and pieces of Game 3 Saturday... i honestly didn't think Boston would have the cajones to come out and win 2 straight... Been a Boston and NY hater (TO fan), but hats off to both teams for some gutsy performances... who knew Loaiza would actually pitch, VS lobbing the ball in? Wakefield pitched lights out.. that knuckler was absolutely insane last night..
This series makes it great to be a baseball fan, no matter who you might be cheering for (For the record, I'm hoping Boston wins... cheer for the underdog..
)
This series makes it great to be a baseball fan, no matter who you might be cheering for (For the record, I'm hoping Boston wins... cheer for the underdog..
)Originally posted by: blakeatwork
After watching the bits and pieces of Game 3 Saturday... i honestly didn't think Boston would have the cajones to come out and win 2 straight... Been a Boston and NY hater (TO fan), but hats off to both teams for some gutsy performances... who knew Loaiza would actually pitch, VS lobbing the ball in? Wakefield pitched lights out.. that knuckler was absolutely insane last night..
This series makes it great to be a baseball fan, no matter who you might be cheering for (For the record, I'm hoping Boston wins... cheer for the underdog..
Yanks were the underdogs going in.
A walk, stolen base, and a base hit IS getting punked.
Yesterdays blown save shouldn't count, but we have gotten Rivera 3 times this year,
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Please. That kind of inning can happen to anyone, it's not like the Sox bats were clobbering him the way he made it sound. It's one hit. Sheesh. The guy is human.
Bill Mueller's home run in September was 1 hit too. If an error was involved somewhere, I might agree with you. But all 3 events (the stolen base partially) are Rivera's fault.
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I'm talking about the ALCS. Yes, the stolen base is partially Rivera's fault (even though Roberts can steal on anyone). He got beat, but it's not like they had their way with him.
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Don't forget he also walked him. 3 mistakes in a row is pretty big for Rivera. He didn't get the job 2 nights in a row is the bottom line, the man gets pwned at Fenway. Without looking at the stats, I wouldn't be surprised if he had more blown saves at Fenway than saves.
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Shut up.
What you did the last two nights to Rivera is hardly the stuff of legend. If you substituted Gordon's name into that, I'd agree.
Oh, BTW, did I mention - Shut up. You're giving Sox fans a bad name.
Torre just went with accepted baseball logic. Maybe he wasn't creative, but just about everyone would rather see the game won on a hit than a walk. Sending David Ortiz was a bad managerial decision. Francona was spared because Ortiz bailed him out.
The Yanks didn't really hit at all after the 6th inning, which was a little disappointing facing a tired Sox pen. These last two were really great games though. As a Yankee fan, I obviously would've liked to have seen them end differently, but great games. Hopefully we can get the game in tonight.
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SP33Demon
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If all you can say is "shut up" like a 2nd grader, then that's fine. You have your opinion, and I have mine. Rivera blew 2 saves in a row, that's huge for allegedly the greatest reliever of all time. There's a reason he gets paid a huge chunk of change, and that's to shut down Boston. He failed miserably, so yes Punk'd is the appropriate response.
If I'm giving Red Sox fans a bad name by calling Torre out, then so be it. He should have walked the .301/MVP Candidate/Clutch Yankee/Angel Killer to get to the .238 defensive substitute. Loaiza was sharp last night, and the odds of him getting Mientkavicz out were a helluva lot greater than Ortiz at that point. Thanks Torre, I hope you pitch to PAPI again and give us the game.
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: blakeatwork
After watching the bits and pieces of Game 3 Saturday... i honestly didn't think Boston would have the cajones to come out and win 2 straight... Been a Boston and NY hater (TO fan), but hats off to both teams for some gutsy performances... who knew Loaiza would actually pitch, VS lobbing the ball in? Wakefield pitched lights out.. that knuckler was absolutely insane last night..
This series makes it great to be a baseball fan, no matter who you might be cheering for (For the record, I'm hoping Boston wins... cheer for the underdog..
Yanks were the underdogs going in.
Even with Boston blowing the cover off the ball against Anaheim (no big feat really), I considered the Yankees a favorite in the ALCS... Yankees, in the last 8-10 years, have been lights out in the playoffs... and with having near the same core of players year in and year out (this year being the exception), I didn't see any reason not to choose the Yanks to win... (that, and the Beantown Curse...
)Again, I hope Boston wins, though I'm sure they'd blow the World Series somehow...
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