**Offical 2015-16 NFL Week 13 Thread, 'cuz God's obviously a Panthers Fan!**

[Perknose]

Is this sweeps week? Who's scripting this?

 

[SP33Demon]

What exactly has Brady done to be an asshole? He got a favorable call ONCE about tucking the ball and it wasn't even the first time it was called? Or he doesn't look like a mongoloid? Or he was a middle of the road, at best, QB coming into the draft and got a chancery shine? Brady is literally the American fucking dream. If you hate Brady, you hate every rags to riches dream anyone ever wanted. Brady wasn't athletically gifted nor was he hyped or carried. He worked his ass off to be the best, and it worked.

Brady is the American Dream by bending the rules, very true. But the American Dream is still the American Dream and Trump bent the rules too.

On an unrelated note, my Eagles are in first. Suck it Dallas! And thanks for the win!

 

[zinfamous]

Brady is the American Dream by bending the rules, very true. But the American Dream is still the American Dream and Trump bent the rules too.

On an unrelated note, my Eagles are in first. Suck it Dallas! And thanks for the win!

a trust fund kid that inherited his wealth and created a fortune of debt is the american dream? you know what....that is probably accurate. 😀

wait--why the fuck are you bringing politics into this thread?

 

[dainthomas]

I can't watch this Seattle game. Seattle seems to get break after break by the refs. Horrible calls.

Lol right. Vikes would have totally been in it if not for those gosh darn refs.

 

[zinfamous]

Lol right. Vikes would have totally been in it if not for those gosh darn refs.

seattle wins only because of refs.

Bradiots lose only because of refs.


math is sound, or someone let the kid have the remote again. Either way.

 

[gorcorps]

seattle wins only because of refs.

Bradiots lose only because of refs.


math is sound, or someone let the kid have the remote again. Either way.

lol

Bradiots

 

[emperus]

Lol right. Vikes would have totally been in it if not for those gosh darn refs.

Your comment is pretty telling. lol. Simple question to see what type of troll you really are. Did you believe the officiating in that game was fair?

 

[dainthomas]

Your comment is pretty telling. lol. Simple question to see what type of troll you really are. Did you believe the officiating in that game was fair?

No worse than any other game that day. Refs would have had to call another 300 yards of penalties on Seattle to give the Vikes a chance. You know, you're allowed to not like the Seahawks and still admit there are games they deserve to win. Don't worry, no one will think any less of you.

The fact that they played so well without Lynch, Graham, or Lockette is encouraging.

 

[Childs]

The fact that they played so well without Lynch, Graham, or Lockette is encouraging.

They seem better on offense without Graham and Lynch.

 

[emperus]

No worse than any other game that day. Refs would have had to call another 300 yards of penalties on Seattle to give the Vikes a chance. You know, you're allowed to not like the Seahawks and still admit there are games they deserve to win. Don't worry, no one will think any less of you.

The fact that they played so well without Lynch, Graham, or Lockette is encouraging.

You're such a tool.

At one point in the game the commentators had nothing to say, because the calls were that bad. The Vikings had 1st and 30 at one point in the game. 1st and 30 And 2 of those 3 penalties the announcers themselves didn't know where they came from.

I also watched the game with a Hawks fan and he even thought the officiating was one sided. Like I said keep tooling for your team.

 

[zinfamous]

They seem better on offense without Graham and Lynch.

Indeed. Graham really doesn't fit with the system that they have been running the last 4 years anyway, so he was a bit of an ovoid peg fitting into a round hole. They were working on utilizing him, and it paid off a few times--Offense is new this year, anyway--but it has been a steep learning curve throughout the season.

Lynch has clearly been hurt all season and just very ineffective for the majority of his carries. It's a shame to think that he is losing his step because he has been one of the most talented and entertaining athletes in all of the NFL over the past 5 seasons or so.

No worries with Rawls though. Looks like Seattle is reloading going forward and have found their mojo over the last 3 or 4 games. Also: I don't think anyone is playing better than Wilson right now. Maybe JJ Watt.

Patriots look to be in trouble as those injuries have taken a real toll.

And how good is the AFC? A "paltry" 10-2, and the Pats suddenly drop from First to 3rd seed? crazy.

 

[skyking]

You're such a tool.

At one point in the game the commentators had nothing to say, because the calls were that bad. The Vikings had 1st and 30 at one point in the game. 1st and 30 And 2 of those 3 penalties the announcers themselves didn't know where they came from.

I also watched the game with a Hawks fan and he even thought the officiating was one sided. Like I said keep tooling for your team.

I suppose whining about bad calls in other games is all you have left after your team lost to those losers.

 

[Retro Rob]

Indeed. Graham really doesn't fit with the system that they have been running the last 4 years anyway, so he was a bit of an ovoid peg fitting into a round hole. They were working on utilizing him, and it paid off a few times--Offense is new this year, anyway--but it has been a steep learning curve throughout the season.

Lynch has clearly been hurt all season and just very ineffective for the majority of his carries. It's a shame to think that he is losing his step because he has been one of the most talented and entertaining athletes in all of the NFL over the past 5 seasons or so.

No worries with Rawls though. Looks like Seattle is reloading going forward and have found their mojo over the last 3 or 4 games. Also: I don't think anyone is playing better than Wilson right now. Maybe JJ Watt.

Patriots look to be in trouble as those injuries have taken a real toll.

And how good is the AFC? A "paltry" 10-2, and the Pats suddenly drop from First to 3rd seed? crazy.

Yeah, when Graham was acquired, people thought that they would perhaps walk right into the SB.

This actually shows how important it is for a player to FIT a system. Getting star players don't mean much if the system doesn't cater to their strengths.

 

[emperus]

I suppose whining about bad calls in other games is all you have left after your team lost to those losers.

Try again. Seahawks game was before Patriots game. In fact my comments on the officiating were before the Patriots game. I like football and like fair games even more.

 

[skyking]

Uh, it is now two days later and you're still whining.......

 

[dainthomas]

They seem better on offense without Graham and Lynch.

I think that may be partially a reflection of their adjustments on the offensive line. Wilson isn't getting hit nearly as often. Don't know if Minnesota even had any sacks.

No secret they weren't using Graham effectively at all until the last month or so. A shame he went down when he did as he was finally clicking, but I'm sure the coaching staff will do what they need to in the off-season to continue integrating him into the offense.

The issue emperus didn't address was how Seattle was able to hold AP to 18 yards. Can't pin that on the refs. He'd put on a clinic against the Falcons and I was pretty worried about what he'd do against their D after they gave up that many yards against the Steelers.

 

[Xonim]

I think that may be partially a reflection of their adjustments on the offensive line. Wilson isn't getting hit nearly as often. Don't know if Minnesota even had any sacks.

Box score says they had 2 sacks (both by Robison), and 4 QB hits. I know Danielle Hunter got incredibly close a few times, but Wilson is a tad on the elusive side.

The issue emperus didn't address was how Seattle was able to hold AP to 18 yards. Can't pin that on the refs. He'd put on a clinic against the Falcons and I was pretty worried about what he'd do against their D after they gave up that many yards against the Steelers.

The Vikings starting C and RT both got hurt in preseason and have been out since. The starting RG from last year -- who was decently reliable even w/o the starting RT -- moved to LG and has since been TERRIBLE. Because of that, the way the Vikings have been blocking this season is by keeping a 6th blocker (either TE or RB), and having a 7th (either TE or RB) chip on the way out to a route. If the TE was supposed to run a route, they chip on the way and the RB stayed to block. Otherwise, the TE blocks and the RB chips on the way to a route. Either way, that means at most you have 3 receivers downfield plus either a delayed TE or RB ... against however many players in the secondary. This is the way the Vikings have been playing the whole season

I saw a stat this morning that Seattle blitzed 6.x% of plays and pressured Bridgewater 39-40%. That's how dominant the Seattle d-line was against the Vikings o-line. Other teams don't need to bring much more pressure to achieve the same result, which is why the Vikings passing stats are so bad. How can they get away with that? It's an AP problem.

The Vikings offense functions like this:

First down: It's a run. Maybe not always, but probably 90%+. Thank you, Norv Turner.

Second/third down: If in I formation, it's probably 75%+ a run. The other 25% will be play action, but because of blocking problems mentioned above, Teddy will have to escape the pocket by the top of his drop. If in shotgun, it's a pass. The ONLY variable to this is if the back is McKinnon or Asiata, which may be a draw, but is probably a pass 75%+ of the time. AP won't run out of the shotgun, so if he's on the field in the shotgun it's definitely a pass.

Now ... that's not hard to figure out. When your offense can be broken down in a forum post, you're going to have a bad time against well coached teams (see Denver, GB, and Seattle). Well coached teams know they can get to the QB with 4, which means they can run a 4-3 and drop a safety into the box (I have no idea what that formation is called), then drop the 3 LB's and the safety back into coverage almost immediately if it's a shotgun formation ... and you have 7 defenders against 3 WR's + a late TE/RB. It should be no mystery as to why Teddy doesn't have bigger passing numbers. If it's an I formation, the LBs / safety can get up on the line to stuff the run.

AP is bad for Teddy because the fit is all wrong -- Teddy does well out of the shotgun, AP is a bad runner out of the shotgun. Teddy is a poor passer from the I, AP prefers running out of the I. Until one of them goes (hopefully AP soon), the Vikings O is going to have this problem.

Edit: And whoever is complaining about the refs needs to stop. Refs might influence a 3 point game, maybe a 7 point game. They don't matter in a 31 point blowout. Even if it did, the only disagreements I have from watching the broacast are the 2 OPI / illegal block calls that were part of the 1st and 40 drive ... and MAYBE the Robison penalty. But Zimmer said they had been warned about that, so they deserved the penalty ... I'll believe him. The refs were fine, get over it. Seattle could have probably put up another 28 on the Vikings if they'd wanted to, and the Vikings couldn't do anything to stop it. The Thursday game vs Arizona is going to be more of the same ... Linval, Barr, and Smith are confirmed out already. It's not going to be pretty.

 

[smackababy]

Yeah, when Graham was acquired, people thought that they would perhaps walk right into the SB.

This actually shows how important it is for a player to FIT a system. Getting star players don't mean much if the system doesn't cater to their strengths.

To be fair, before the last couple games, the OL was awful. Hard for Wilson to find Graham when he is getting sacked and hard for Lynch to get a ground game going when the line is paper thin.

They finally found some stability and Rawls has proven to be a versatile and capable back, so the offense isn't stalling. And, they never had a good TE threat anyway, so they aren't entirely missing Graham. I think if Graham had a full season of not terrible OL play and Wilson being sacked, he'd be far more productive.

That said, Seattle really is in position to make a run even without their two big players.


Also, Dilfer brought up a good point about the Patriots (one of his VERY few). They had literally everything go wrong in that game against the Eagles and lost by 7. It is pretty ridiculous they were still in the game at all on that final drive, and if it wasn't for a few drops, I'm sure they'd have tied it up.

 

[TwiceOver]

Box score says they had 2 sacks (both by Robison), and 4 QB hits. I know Danielle Hunter got incredibly close a few times, but Wilson is a tad on the elusive side.




The Vikings starting C and RT both got hurt in preseason and have been out since. The starting RG from last year -- who was decently reliable even w/o the starting RT -- moved to LG and has since been TERRIBLE. Because of that, the way the Vikings have been blocking this season is by keeping a 6th blocker (either TE or RB), and having a 7th (either TE or RB) chip on the way out to a route. If the TE was supposed to run a route, they chip on the way and the RB stayed to block. Otherwise, the TE blocks and the RB chips on the way to a route. Either way, that means at most you have 3 receivers downfield plus either a delayed TE or RB ... against however many players in the secondary. This is the way the Vikings have been playing the whole season

I saw a stat this morning that Seattle blitzed 6.x% of plays and pressured Bridgewater 39-40%. That's how dominant the Seattle d-line was against the Vikings o-line. Other teams don't need to bring much more pressure to achieve the same result, which is why the Vikings passing stats are so bad. How can they get away with that? It's an AP problem.

The Vikings offense functions like this:

First down: It's a run. Maybe not always, but probably 90%+. Thank you, Norv Turner.

Second/third down: If in I formation, it's probably 75%+ a run. The other 25% will be play action, but because of blocking problems mentioned above, Teddy will have to escape the pocket by the top of his drop. If in shotgun, it's a pass. The ONLY variable to this is if the back is McKinnon or Asiata, which may be a draw, but is probably a pass 75%+ of the time. AP won't run out of the shotgun, so if he's on the field in the shotgun it's definitely a pass.

Now ... that's not hard to figure out. When your offense can be broken down in a forum post, you're going to have a bad time against well coached teams (see Denver, GB, and Seattle). Well coached teams know they can get to the QB with 4, which means they can run a 4-3 and drop a safety into the box (I have no idea what that formation is called), then drop the 3 LB's and the safety back into coverage almost immediately if it's a shotgun formation ... and you have 7 defenders against 3 WR's + a late TE/RB. It should be no mystery as to why Teddy doesn't have bigger passing numbers. If it's an I formation, the LBs / safety can get up on the line to stuff the run.

AP is bad for Teddy because the fit is all wrong -- Teddy does well out of the shotgun, AP is a bad runner out of the shotgun. Teddy is a poor passer from the I, AP prefers running out of the I. Until one of them goes (hopefully AP soon), the Vikings O is going to have this problem.

Edit: And whoever is complaining about the refs needs to stop. Refs might influence a 3 point game, maybe a 7 point game. They don't matter in a 31 point blowout. Even if it did, the only disagreements I have from watching the broacast are the 2 OPI / illegal block calls that were part of the 1st and 40 drive ... and MAYBE the Robison penalty. But Zimmer said they had been warned about that, so they deserved the penalty ... I'll believe him. The refs were fine, get over it. Seattle could have probably put up another 28 on the Vikings if they'd wanted to, and the Vikings couldn't do anything to stop it. The Thursday game vs Arizona is going to be more of the same ... Linval, Barr, and Smith are confirmed out already. It's not going to be pretty.

Thank you for that. Sums up my team really well. Purple Jesus is great and all, but he should have been traded off 2 seasons ago when he was worth something.

 

[smackababy]

Brady is the American Dream by bending the rules, very true. But the American Dream is still the American Dream and Trump bent the rules too.

On an unrelated note, my Eagles are in first. Suck it Dallas! And thanks for the win!

And what rule does Brady exactly bend? Again, he didn't invent the tuck rule. He didn't invent the low knee hit rule. He may have benefited from them, but he wasn't the first and he certainly won't be the last. Get over it. Tom Brady is better than you.

 

[Retro Rob]

And what rule does Brady exactly bend? Again, he didn't invent the tuck rule. He didn't invent the low knee hit rule. He may have benefited from them, but he wasn't the first and he certainly won't be the last. Get over it. Tom Brady is better than you.

Actually, I go a bit further and say that Brady is the sole reason for the low-knee rule.

Its not a Patriots favoritism thing, IMO. Its more of the NFL needing its stars on the field to draw audiences.

 

[smackababy]

Actually, I go a bit further and say that Brady is the sole reason for the low-knee rule.

Its not a Patriots favoritism thing, IMO. Its more of the NFL needing its stars on the field to draw audiences.

The knee rule makes total sense. Lunging from the ground is so likely to be low in an injury prone area. The league wants to keep the stars on the field, because high scoring games are what draws the audience. And bench players can't provide that excitement.

 

[BUTCH1]

No worse than any other game that day. Refs would have had to call another 300 yards of penalties on Seattle to give the Vikes a chance. You know, you're allowed to not like the Seahawks and still admit there are games they deserve to win. Don't worry, no one will think any less of you.

The fact that they played so well without Lynch, Graham, or Lockette is encouraging.

Hey!, I called it out in the SB thread that if a team stacks the box and shuts down Peterson, Bridgewater cannot carry that team and that's EXACTLY what Seattle did. Wilson is also playing lights-out the last 3-4 weeks. Didn't see the game but it was obviously a case of a proper bludgeoning, a missed call here or there was not going to change much, if anything about the outcome.

 

[BUTCH1]

Actually, I go a bit further and say that Brady is the sole reason for the low-knee rule.

Its not a Patriots favoritism thing, IMO. Its more of the NFL needing its stars on the field to draw audiences.

Well the rule was in response to the Carlson Palmer injury, not Brady. It's a common mistake people make, from Wiki,

"During the off-season, the league's Rules Committee modified the rule regarding low hits on quarterbacks. The new rule prohibited defenders from hitting a passer at or below the knee unless they are blocked into him. The so-called "Carson Palmer Rule" now requires that defenders take every opportunity to avoid hitting a quarterback at or below the knees when the quarterback is in a defenseless position looking to throw with both feet on the ground."

But your right about keeping QB's playing, owners are not stupid, they know a stud QB sells tons of tickets and gives you a shot at winning in a pass-orientated league.

 

[Xonim]

Hey!, I called it out in the SB thread that if a team stacks the box and shuts down Peterson, Bridgewater cannot carry that team and that's EXACTLY what Seattle did. Wilson is also playing lights-out the last 3-4 weeks. Didn't see the game but it was obviously a case of a proper bludgeoning, a missed call here or there was not going to change much, if anything about the outcome.

I'm not going to 100% defend Teddy because he does need to play better, but ... it's not as easy as "he cannot carry that team." He showed late last year that he's capable of doing that. He's shown late in some games this year that he's capable of doing that. But seriously, this is what he's dealing with more often than not:

https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/674016001516822528

7 blockers, plus AP coming out of the backfield going between the tackles. Seattle rushes 4 and the pocket collapses almost immediately. That means Seattle had 7 guys in coverage for 2 receivers. That ain't Teddy.