Off the cliff.............

[chucky2]

When you say Clintons prosperity, you mean the country enjoying all the tech advances from the previous admins culminating in an unexpected tech boom that drove tax revenues to unforeseen levels, allowing Politicians during Clinton era to keep spending mad dollas yet having the tax revenues to cover them? Along with a Rep Congress keeping the POTUS in check, and vice versa?

Got it, was just making sure.

 

[cbrunny]

Science has diagnosed this trait as a defect in the conservative brain, that conservatives will do any amount of rationalization and alternate reality building that's needed to remain in the deranged mental state of denial of truths that offend their ego.

Uh what?

2 things.

1 - Science is a noun that represents a massive academic discipline. Scientists practice science, and actually do things. Your sentence should read "Scientists have diagnosed...." (sorry, massive pet peeve of mine. Science doesn't do anything.)

2 - If you're going to make claims like that, you'd best provide a source to back it up.

 

[chucky2]

Oh, he has as source. The problem is the source doesn't say it has a complete understanding of the human brain or even of the areas of the brain they're commenting on, which lead to his self hate conclusions being self projected BS. But, he does have a link. Poor Mooner...

 

[dank69]

Oh, he has as source. The problem is the source doesn't say it has a complete understanding of the human brain or even of the areas of the brain they're commenting on, which lead to his self hate conclusions being self projected BS. But, he does have a link. Poor Mooner...

Exactly, none of our sources say we have a complete understanding of the universe or even the area of the universe near our solar system, so claiming that the Earth revolves around the Sun would be self-projected BS.

 

[cbrunny]

So where is this source? Waiting for a link...

 

[nehalem256]

When you say Clintons prosperity, you mean the country enjoying all the tech advances from the previous admins culminating in an unexpected tech boom that drove tax revenues to unforeseen levels, allowing Politicians during Clinton era to keep spending mad dollas yet having the tax revenues to cover them? Along with a Rep Congress keeping the POTUS in check, and vice versa?

Got it, was just making sure.

By Clintons "prosperity" I think he means Clinton being lucky to get the benefits of the Internet Boom and Housing Boom while passing the costs onto Bush

 

[dank69]

By Clintons "prosperity" I think he means Clinton being lucky to get the benefits of the Internet Boom and Housing Boom while passing the costs onto Bush

Oh here we go again. Forgetting the time that Clinton cut military spending while GOP screamed "think of the economy!"

 

[chucky2]

Exactly, none of our sources say we have a complete understanding of the universe or even the area of the universe near our solar system, so claiming that the Earth revolves around the Sun would be self-projected BS.

Right, because actual visible physical evidence is the same as understanding the complete inner workings and dependencies of the brain. Let me guess: You happen to accept as fact the implications that are based on the experiment?

 

[chucky2]

By Clintons "prosperity" I think he means Clinton being lucky to get the benefits of the Internet Boom and Housing Boom while passing the costs onto Bush

Well, the rest of his post was pretty accurate, so maybe he can clarify. Hopefully he's not so insane as to actually think Clinton performed some type of magic (at least on the budget, we know he's got the juice when it comes to impressionable interns and liberals...hmm...coincidence?) that it could actually be said there was 'Clinton prosperity'.

 

[dank69]

So where is this source? Waiting for a link...

Well, Moonbeam isn't online at the moment, but you can start here. He has posted many of these findings.

 

[dank69]

Right, because actual visible physical evidence is the same as understanding the complete inner workings and dependencies of the brain. Let me guess: You happen to accept as fact the implications that are based on the experiment?

Here you go cbrunny, incase you are still unconvinced by any of Moonbeam's sources, here is an actual demonstration of a conservative rationalizing away scientific evidence.

 

[Buxaroo]

When you say Clintons prosperity, you mean the country enjoying all the tech advances from the previous admins culminating in an unexpected tech boom that drove tax revenues to unforeseen levels, allowing Politicians during Clinton era to keep spending mad dollas yet having the tax revenues to cover them? Along with a Rep Congress keeping the POTUS in check, and vice versa?

Got it, was just making sure.

Oh, so your saying that the economy was better because of government funded research and development since the 40's that led to the tech boom? Got it, just making sure. According to your republican friends, "gubment is bad" and nothing good comes from it. Again, your modern GOP is nothing like the GOP of the other eras. And again, your completely ignoring the reason for this discussion: the debt ceiling and why the GOP/tea party blames everything on Obama, but doesn't look at the FACTS of the last 60+ years of debt ceiling being raised all of the time and the GDP growing in all of that time as well, etc etc. Yes, the debt is over the GDP, but that will decrease, but cutting food stamps and NASA is paltry in comparison to how much we spend on the military. We don't need 2100 M1 tanks, but we do need families to eat.

 

[Buxaroo]

By Clintons "prosperity" I think he means Clinton being lucky to get the benefits of the Internet Boom and Housing Boom while passing the costs onto Bush

What "costs"? I guess you forgot about the SURPLUS he left Bush, and I guess you forgot the lowering of the taxes resulting in that surplus to go shitwards. Housing "bust" wouldn't have been anywhere NEAR as bad if it wasn't for the lack of REGULATIONS and mortgage debt being intertwined with derivatives. There has been PLENTY of housing/real estate busts, none of them hurt the economy like the one in 2008. You can thank conservatives role in not wanting to fund the SEC or lax regulations that could have done something about that long ago.

To put it in Roman terms (I know conservatives love anything to do with republics being run by dictators), Clinton was Aurelius to Bush's Commodus. As Dio Cassiushttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dio_Cassius said, a contemporary observer of the time, Commodus' accession marked the descent "from a kingdom of gold to one of iron and rust." How fitting.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Your link heading misrepresents what republicans are playing at (hint: third paragraph). What they are really doing is excercising a North Korean strategy of "look how crazy I am". It only works on people who are unable to look two moves ahead.

It is plainly obvious republicans don't want a default anymore than anyone else. To legitimize their banter is embarrassing. You people are better than this.

They are exercising exactly the same strategy they've continually used against Obama, build up some bullshit narrative that's impossible to walk away from because any compromise is seen as a betrayal by the base, which has lead us exactly here. This new talk of default not being a big deal is more of an indication they are willing to see it through because they are digging their bullshit hole too deep to climb out of. "If it's not a big deal why did you cave on it?" the base will go as they primary anyone who does with even crazier morons. You're entirely misreading the current situation, but don't feel too bad, you have a lot of company.

 

[chucky2]

What "costs"? I guess you forgot about the SURPLUS he left Bush, and I guess you forgot the lowering of the taxes resulting in that surplus to go shitwards. Housing "bust" wouldn't have been anywhere NEAR as bad if it wasn't for the lack of REGULATIONS and mortgage debt being intertwined with derivatives. There has been PLENTY of housing/real estate busts, none of them hurt the economy like the one in 2008. You can thank conservatives role in not wanting to fund the SEC or lax regulations that could have done something about that long ago.

To put it in Roman terms (I know conservatives love anything to do with republics being run by dictators), Clinton was Aurelius to Bush's Commodus. As Dio Cassiushttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dio_Cassius said, a contemporary observer of the time, Commodus' accession marked the descent "from a kingdom of gold to one of iron and rust." How fitting.

Total delusion. Wow...

 

[chucky2]

Here you go cbrunny, incase you are still unconvinced by any of Moonbeam's sources, here is an actual demonstration of a conservative rationalizing away scientific evidence.

What "evidence". You have scans of the brain. That means...what exactly? Until we understand how the brain works far better than we do now, your "evidence" means nothing. At best it's a theory, nothing more. Why then would anyone trot it out as fact? Next you'll be claiming Clinton handed Bush a surplus. Where do these delusions come from?

 

[chucky2]

Oh, so your saying that the economy was better because of government funded research and development since the 40's that led to the tech boom? Got it, just making sure. According to your republican friends, "gubment is bad" and nothing good comes from it. Again, your modern GOP is nothing like the GOP of the other eras. And again, your completely ignoring the reason for this discussion: the debt ceiling and why the GOP/tea party blames everything on Obama, but doesn't look at the FACTS of the last 60+ years of debt ceiling being raised all of the time and the GDP growing in all of that time as well, etc etc. Yes, the debt is over the GDP, but that will decrease, but cutting food stamps and NASA is paltry in comparison to how much we spend on the military. We don't need 2100 M1 tanks, but we do need families to eat.

I don't have 'Republican friends'. I am not a Republican. I honestly don't know what you're posting on and on about here, since I didn't make any of those claims. It's like you're arguing with yourself.

 

[dank69]

What "evidence". You have scans of the brain. That means...what exactly? Until we understand how the brain works far better than we do now, your "evidence" means nothing. At best it's a theory, nothing more. Why then would anyone trot it out as fact? Next you'll be claiming Clinton handed Bush a surplus. Where do these delusions come from?

Clinton handed Bush a projected surplus. As in, "if you don't change anything too drastically, we will have a surplus." Bush then cut taxes and started 2 unfunded wars.

As for evidence of conservative brain defects, I linked only one of Moonbeam's multiple sources showing multiple peer-reviewed studies documenting the differences between liberal and conservative brains while you just have a feeling that they can't be right.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Poor Moonbeam, he still thinks people take his psychobabble seriously.

poor matt is too ignorant to understand that this post by Moonbeam was spot on a actually compliment to those who frequent these forums....

But for some reason some of you aren't so insane and I just wanted to thank you for that. We are going to have a test. Will the monster of the Id win? __________________

 

[JEDIYoda]

Uh what?

2 things.

1 - Science is a noun (Please tell us what kind of noun you believe it to be?)that represents a massive academic discipline. Scientists practice science, and actually do things. Your sentence should read "Scientists have diagnosed...." (sorry, massive pet peeve of mine. Science doesn't do anything.) -- many different meaning and uses......Moonbeam was correct in his usage!
2 - If you're going to make claims like that, you'd best provide a source to back it up. ---rut roh.....tough talk.....why provide a source? One of the greatest pastimes on these forums is to find ways to bash or discredit almost any source regardless of how legit the source is!!

oh my another Jabroni who has nothing of substance to add to the thread....btw Jabroni is a proper noun.

 

[OverVolt]

Science has diagnosed this trait as a defect in the conservative brain

You know that nobody actually researches stuff like this right?

Freud was useful in that he spun off the branch of psychology as a legitimate field but it was just the ramblings of a crack addict afterall.

 

[piasabird]

That 16 trillion is just the debts on the books. There is a lot more debt than that.

At the present we have the highest level of revenues than this country has ever had. Spending is just out of control. That is a fact that this country needs to start dealing with.

How much money will the revenue department print this year? They are spending like 80 billion dollars every month. They don't have the money to spend they are just creating it electronically. This causes the stock market to be artificially propped up, and it also cause our $$$ to be worth less. When you go to the store you are paying more and sometimes you are buying less.

The idiot president is saying on the air right now we cant pay one bill and not another. However, they keep putting off paying things like PELL funds on time. His own federal govt is printing money.

 

[Moonbeam]

Seems to me that the parties are in cahoots and are holding hands while driving us off the edge. That is just the impression I get. I don't see either party doing much to help the country, especially in this particular situation.

Also, considering our current situation, I don't see how one can honestly believe we as a country actually deserve to have a good credit rating. We keep printing off more money, thereby making our money worth less and less... this means we are essentially paying less to those we owe money to. It is not a matter of "punishment", it is a matter of integrity.

You shop every day exchanging some worthless zeros and ones maintained by electron charges on transistors or worthless pieces of paper for food and other goods that have tangible value and talk about integrity? Come on!

 

[Moonbeam]

I know, you will come up with some clever insult in the face of the truth. Blah blah conservatism is a defect blah blah, liberals know it all and are happy, blah blah. And I would prefer the pharmaceutical free retort. I can wait a few days for your system to clear.

I read your post with interest and thought about it. But this part I quote above kind of disturbed me. You predicted that I was going to come up with a clever insult while in the process of delivering a clever insult. That was fun.

 

[Moonbeam]

No, it's not. You're too smart for this, how do you not know this is empty bluster? There is zero chance the US defaults on its debt. Absolutely not a single percentage point of chance. You'd really have your time served better by catching up on some of the fall show premiers.

Hope you're right. I ended my OP with a question not a statement.