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Greenman said:
I disagree. I was getting grief over a year ago in this forum for calling out Joe's decline. It's been obvious that he's failing and most people chose to ignore it. It was politically expedient to pretend that Joe was all together and that lead to the current clusterfuck the democrats are experiencing.
Pretending that this was all a huge surprise that no one saw coming is absurd.
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The reason for that is you had been saying the same thing since 2020 when it was obviously wrong. You don’t get points for predicting the same thing incorrectly for years and then eventually being correct. Thats Peter Schiff/@gothuevos territory.
 
I understand skepticism of the polling, which I have some of my self for certain reasons, but basically every time somebody talks to swing voters they almost all say he should not be running. All the signs are flashing red which is why congressional Ds are publicly abandoning him.

Click below for a less than encouraging read.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814649334626971982
 
K1052 said:
I understand skepticism of the polling, which I have some of my self for certain reasons, but basically every time somebody talks to swing voters they almost all say he should not be running. All the signs are flashing red which is why congressional Ds are publicly abandoning him.

Click below for a less than encouraging read.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814649334626971982
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Post #4. some will vote for Trump instead!

That's where I stopped paying attention.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814649338653512018
 
fskimospy said:
The reason for that is you had been saying the same thing since 2020 when it was obviously wrong. You don’t get points for predicting the same thing incorrectly for years and then eventually being correct. Thats Peter Schiff/@gothuevos territory.
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Except that I wasn't wrong. Joe's decline has been obvious for some time. You can pretend that me calling it out was political theater if that makes you feel better, but it's just self deception. There is no amount of spin that's going change the situation that the democrats have created for themselves.
The republic may very well decided that a doddering Biden is less distasteful than a somewhat more lucid Trump, but at least most people now seem to be aware of what the choice is.
 
Greenman said:
Except that I wasn't wrong. Joe's decline has been obvious for some time. You can pretend that me calling it out was political theater if that makes you feel better, but it's just self deception. There is no amount of spin that's going change the situation that the democrats have created for themselves.
The republic may very well decided that a doddering Biden is less distasteful than a somewhat more lucid Trump, but at least most people now seem to be aware of what the choice is.
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The guy you claimed was incapable in 2020 had one of the most successful presidencies in modern history. You were wrong - just admit it.

As far as what the choice is, it is a choice between a guy who attempted to end American democracy and someone who didn’t. You decided democracy isn’t important to you but the rest of us disagree.
 
Out of the middle of a thread from Costa that's worth reading. That somebody can so massively misjudge their political situation and viability calls into question all their decision making. He's been wrong at basically every turn. He thought he could ignore the private asks to drop out without consequences and is now facing visible rebellion in his own party because he didn't listen. He just thinks everybody should STFU and let him do what he wants.

If he wants open combat he is very likely going to be accommodated this week.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814664144773091661
 
K1052 said:
Out of the middle of a thread from Costa that's worth reading. That somebody can so massively misjudge their political situation and viability calls into question all their decision making. He's been wrong at basically every turn. He thought he could ignore the private asks to drop out without consequences and is now facing visible rebellion in his own party because he didn't listen. He just thinks everybody should STFU and let him do what he wants.

If he wants open combat he is very likely going to be accommodated this week.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814664144773091661
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In a way, Biden is right. Concerns about his age have been present from the very start. There was a very appropriate time to challenge him on that, or have a more public conversation - before all the primaries were held. Publicly shitting the bed about your own party months before the election is not helpful. Yes, the media environment is unfair, but the party elites don't have to constantly drive it with inside gossip.
 
ivwshane said:
They don’t even realize they are doing it at this point…or do they?
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The billionaire owned media unleashing viruses of misinformation..

Those too lazy to dodge become carriers and parroting misinformation..

The false narrative building and turning on you.

It's like watching 28 days later except you're in it.
Can someone forward 28 days please?
I'd like to skip the endless loop on here!
 
Brainonska511 said:
In a way, Biden is right. Concerns about his age have been present from the very start. There was a very appropriate time to challenge him on that, or have a more public conversation - before all the primaries were held. Publicly shitting the bed about your own party months before the election is not helpful. Yes, the media environment is unfair, but the party elites don't have to constantly drive it with inside gossip.
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Concerns about his age? Yes. The concerns about his fitness have only really come to the fore in the last maybe 8 months crescendoing at the debate.

Decisions undertaken a more than a year ago should be reevaluated in the light of new information. Surveys and interviews clearly show a likely majority of D voters think he should drop out and even more are deeply concerned about his condition. The panic is not confined to party elites or the donors since the rank and file are shitting bricks now too. The media is unfair and definitely harped on his age excessively but that means he has to be able to actually prove them wrong consistently for voters to think about ignoring them. He is unable to do that.
 
Brainonska511 said:
In a way, Biden is right. Concerns about his age have been present from the very start. There was a very appropriate time to challenge him on that, or have a more public conversation - before all the primaries were held. Publicly shitting the bed about your own party months before the election is not helpful. Yes, the media environment is unfair, but the party elites don't have to constantly drive it with inside gossip.
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It's only the country at stake here and this is your defense? Three things -

One - Biden made it so there was never any primary. Once the incumbent says they are running again, and he was doing a good job, and while some of us were concerned about his polls plus his clear start of decline and the gamble that was, he didn't look too bad. He knew the Dems - they were not going to primary an incumbent and start a civil war - when he looked passable. He used the elitist power of the incumbency to make sure he had no real competition. And, the sick thing is, he did it even when a majority of his party's voters didn't even want him to run. Not the elites. Us peasants. That's arrogance and ego, not caring about the little people, you should be criticizing him for this.

Second - if Biden and his circle had been honest instead of hiding his abilities like traitors, none of this would have happened, but his and their egos thought it would be totally fine to do. So stop blaming people for shitting the bed at a really really big fucking problem that was hidden from them enough to do anything about it. The fact you can still blame anyone but Biden still, it kinda scary.

Third - why the hell should it be ok to put forth a candidate clearly not capable of handling the campaign due to mental dimishment? We are not the Trump party, so don't use him as an excuse. Why are we beholden to this incompetent candidate? This is an entire country on the line, we owe it to Biden? I don't care if his name was Obama, we don't owe that kind of responsibility to any one man. The only thing a responsible party can do is change directions and put someone competent in there. That's called adulting. You know, and for only one of the most important roles in the world - period.
 
Brainonska511 said:
Perhaps that has been one of the biggest hold ups: the contingent of donors and stakeholders that don't understand the concept that the past is prologue, and think that some perfect ticket (sans either the current VP or President) could just be built without understanding the damage that such a move would induce.
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We're going to get some kind of process with a foregone conclusion as a fig leaf. Which is fine as long as it happens rapidly. They could utilize the virtual roll call to this end.
 
I think at this point you just need to convince voters that a vote for Biden is essentially a vote for Harris, who will inevitably need to take over if he wins anyway.

It is what it is, he's not stepping aside. Need to convince voters to get over this mental roadblock.
 
Puffnstuff said:
That's like asking a new car buyer to buy a broken unit because sometime later down the road there will be an update to fix it.
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No it's like having a 4 year warranty.

At this point Trump winning is inevitable. This has major 2008 Obama campaign vibes. Dems should say their mea culpas and just get behind Biden and focus on limiting down ballot damage, still even have a shot at flipping the House.

Set realistic goals.
 
gothuevos said:
No it's like having a 4 year warranty.

At this point Trump winning is inevitable. This has major 2008 Obama campaign vibes. Dems should say their mea culpas and just get behind Biden and focus on limiting down ballot damage, still even have a shot at flipping the House.

Set realistic goals.
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Remember when you said in 2022 that Republican victory was inevitable and the only question was whether or not Republicans would win more than 100% of open senate seats?
 
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