Odds of Biden stepping down, being replaced. Choose.

[Roger Wilco]

And some more.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814348692184256595

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814359163545256197

 

[K1052]

This narrative isn't going away either. Trump has been shot, nominated a VP, and held a convention and Biden needing to drop out is still the number one topic of conversation.

Yeah there is no page turning here. He'll be stuck with the questions about his fitness and now if his own party would not rather see him dead than topping the ticket.

This candidacy is all but finished.

 

[gothuevos]

Yeah there is no page turning here. He'll be stuck with the questions about his fitness and now if his own party would not rather see him dead than topping the ticket.

This candidacy is all but finished.

We might see it that way, but Hunter and Jill do not.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Yeah there is no page turning here. He'll be stuck with the questions about his fitness and now if his own party would not rather see him dead than topping the ticket.

This candidacy is all but finished.

- Since the Dems clearly don't have the strategic/logistical oomph to even get their guy to leave, I really hope they take a W when they see one and just move Harris to the top of the ticket. If they jettison both Harris and Biden I have no confidence the DNC will be able to get whatever bum ticket they drag in to even make it onto half the state ballots.

Better start coaching the shit outta Harris right now on public speaking. She just needs to lower the register of her voice a smidge and stop with the nervous girlish giggle crap and always be on the offensive (SO EASY RIGHT NOW, I MEAN COME ON!) and she'd be fine.

 

[ivwshane]

Do you honestly think Biden can win but Harris can't? Right now Biden's election path are people that will never vote for Trump. He is not going to get anyone to break towards him, which is why Hillary lost in 2016, late deciders overwhelming broke to Trump.

I honestly think party infighting that would result in the outing of the head of the party after that candidate has already won the primary and the presidency once, is pretty fucking stupid politics. Having half your party publicly say you should step down when the voters have already decided is a pretty ballsy move with no upsides, especially considering how bad the polling is and how close to the margin of error the current polls show any movement.

But hey, if the billionaire donors are jumping ship, then who am I, a regular guy, to say what’s the right thing to do, after all, the rich are never wrong./eye roll

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I honestly think party infighting that would result in the outing of the head of the party after that candidate has already won the primary and the presidency once, is pretty fucking stupid politics. Having half your party publicly say you should step down when the voters have already decided is a pretty ballsy move with no upsides, especially considering how bad the polling is and how close to the margin of error the current polls show any movement.

But hey, if the billionaire donors are jumping ship, then who am I, a regular guy, to say what’s the right thing to do, after all, the rich are never wrong./eye roll

- TBF voters were not aware that Biden was apparently the drooling trainwreck the right was accusing him of being at the time of the primary. If debate Biden won the primary then fair point, but the only reason this is a massive shit show now is because IT IS COMING AS A SHOCK.

Frankly it sounds like Biden has been under lock and key and much of HIS OWN PARTY didn't seem to be aware of the extent of the issue.

Hell even Harris sort of laughed off the question of whether Biden was like this on a daily basis instead of just saying "no" in a post debate interview. If his party knew they would have likely been working this whole thing behind the scenes and much sooner.

 

[MrSquished]

Yeah there is no page turning here. He'll be stuck with the questions about his fitness and now if his own party would not rather see him dead than topping the ticket.

This candidacy is all but finished.

Finit.

I honestly think party infighting that would result in the outing of the head of the party after that candidate has already won the primary and the presidency once, is pretty fucking stupid politics. Having half your party publicly say you should step down when the voters have already decided is a pretty ballsy move with no upsides, especially considering how bad the polling is and how close to the margin of error the current polls show any movement.

But hey, if the billionaire donors are jumping ship, then who am I, a regular guy, to say what’s the right thing to do, after all, the rich are never wrong./eye roll

You continually choose to ignore the actual polls of actual Dem voters, how they actually feel, which I posted for you.

Instead continuing to push a false narrative and this is about abillionaire donors. Little that's literal Republican level of propaganda.

You continue to present the primary in a false light like it was a real choice for us in the party. It was a formality, a coronation.

I'm not posting this again, but I have little hope you it will get through to you.

 

[Moonbeam]

Who the candidates are in an election and who wins them is decided by the state of conscious awareness of the participants and the rules by which such decisions are made. In the case of humanity at the present moment and regarding American citizens participating in the process in particular, the level of conscious awareness would be best described as practically non existent. That means that for those in the participating parties and faced with two likely choices, who will be the candidates will be pretty much decided by people who are asleep.

Why is humanity asleep, I have suggested why elsewhere, but lets say for now and here that it's a matter of suppressing fear.

At the time Biden was picked as the man to beat Trump it made the most sense to most of the voting robots so he got the nomination but as soon as signs appeared that he might be defective enough to lose panic set in and the temporal change of circumstance swung many of the robots in a new direction. And since robots have no moral or conscious center that produces any real vision so we stumble along in a reactive state reprogrammed by the latest fear completely asleep to the fact that our fears have already happened, out of touch with any sense of the joy of being except occasionally and out of which we can be easily triggered, unaware that we also create what we fear.

Think carefully then. The most terrifying thing in the world is the damage we do to ourselves out of being afraid. You have a terrifying enemy called fear which will destroy you if you try to hide and the last thing we want to know is the cure. Life is fun.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

They don't like Kamala for whatever reason.

I've got a gun and I think Kamala is just keen.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

- Since the Dems clearly don't have the strategic/logistical oomph to even get their guy to leave, I really hope they take a W when they see one and just move Harris to the top of the ticket. If they jettison both Harris and Biden I have no confidence the DNC will be able to get whatever bum ticket they drag in to even make it onto half the state ballots.

Better start coaching the shit outta Harris right now on public speaking. She just needs to lower the register of her voice a smidge and stop with the nervous girlish giggle crap and always be on the offensive (SO EASY RIGHT NOW, I MEAN COME ON!) and she'd be fine.

If they drop Harris they may as well drop the whole thing. You're gonna just abandon 10-15% of a sure fire voting base to such an overt betrayal? Bananas.

 

[Zorba]

I honestly think party infighting that would result in the outing of the head of the party after that candidate has already won the primary and the presidency once, is pretty fucking stupid politics. Having half your party publicly say you should step down when the voters have already decided is a pretty ballsy move with no upsides, especially considering how bad the polling is and how close to the margin of error the current polls show any movement.

But hey, if the billionaire donors are jumping ship, then who am I, a regular guy, to say what’s the right thing to do, after all, the rich are never wrong./eye roll

The upside is you have a candidate that can actually campaign as opposed a Weekend at Bernie's candidate. I agree the infighting looks like shit, Biden should've dropped when it became clear he wasn't up for a campaign. Or he should've done what he agreed to do and not run for a second term

 

[ivwshane]

- TBF voters were not aware that Biden was apparently the drooling trainwreck the right was accusing him of being at the time of the primary. If debate Biden won the primary then fair point, but the only reason this is a massive shit show now is because IT IS COMING AS A SHOCK.

Frankly it sounds like Biden has been under lock and key and much of HIS OWN PARTY didn't seem to be aware of the extent of the issue.

Hell even Harris sort of laughed off the question of whether Biden was like this on a daily basis instead of just saying "no" in a post debate interview. If his party knew they would have likely been working this whole thing behind the scenes and much sooner.

I’ve never seen a single candidate, ever, who won the nomination drop out after having a bad debate. The fact that you think Biden was drooling goes to show how good anti Biden propaganda is.

 

[dlerious]

Mad boy mad boy watcha gonna do
watcha gonna do when donations dry up for you?

The campaign believes that they can make up those donations with grassroots fund raising. With Musk giving the RNC $45M a month they won't be able to come close to matching it without big donors.

I see Jill Biden doing a fundraiser in Paris.

 

[ivwshane]

The upside is you have a candidate that can actually campaign as opposed a Weekend at Bernie's candidate. I agree the infighting looks like shit, Biden should've dropped when it became clear he wasn't up for a campaign. Or he should've done what he agreed to do and not run for a second term

Biden can and has been campaigning just fine. Again, more anti Biden propaganda.

 

[dlerious]

I’ve never seen a single candidate, ever, who won the nomination drop out after having a bad debate. The fact that you think Biden was drooling goes to show how good anti Biden propaganda is.

I've never seen a debate where a candidate did that bad. In a follow-up interview, he told ABC that he was fine losing to a person who's supposed to be a threat to democracy if he did his goodest job.

It seems like every time they put him out there for interviews he complains about Trumps lies whenever asked about his health. You can tell when he's upset - he says "look" and proceeds to forget what he was talking about.

 

[Moonbeam]

If they drop Harris they may as well drop the whole thing. You're gonna just abandon 10-15% of a sure fire voting base to such an overt betrayal? Bananas.

But but but, the whole idea is to fuck ourselves. Biden picked her and he's a disaster.

 

[Indus]

If he drops out.. everyone is fucked. And as old and frail as he might be.. he is our knight in shining armor.

He doesn't need funding, he needs votes!

 

[K1052]

I've never seen a debate where a candidate did that bad. In a follow-up interview, he told ABC that he was fine losing to a person who's supposed to be a threat to democracy if he did his goodest job.

It seems like every time they put him out there for interviews he complains about Trumps lies whenever asked about his health. You can tell when he's upset - he says "look" and proceeds to forget what he was talking about.

It is almost like people got the idea that basically arrogance and hubris are driving him to stay in the race directly from his speech and manner.

 

[Zorba]

Biden can and has been campaigning just fine. Again, more anti Biden propaganda.

Sure post an interview that he has done in the last month that doesn't have multiple "WTF is he talking about" moments. Even better if he actually makes a good and effective case against Trump or for himself.

Acting like that debate was at all similar to other pool debates is just denialism. I was very pro Biden and I had to turn it off and felt sick afterwards. If he had come out and knocked it out of the park afterwards, everyone would've moved on, but he hasn't.

 

[akenbennu]

Sure post an interview that has done in the last month that doesn't have multiple "WTF is he talking about" moments. Even better if he actually makes a good and effective case against Trump or for himself.

Acting like that debate was at all similar to other pool debates is just denialism. I was very pro Biden and I had to turn it off and felt sick afterwards. If he had come out and knocked it out of the park afterwards, everyone would've moved on, but he hasn't.

I'll agree Biden is slipping, but if you listen to one of Trump's speeches it's completely off the rails. Only difference is Trump is loud and continues rambling.

 

[fskimospy]

I'll agree Biden is slipping, but if you listen to one of Trump's speeches it's completely off the rails. Only difference is Trump is loud and continues rambling.

It is a very annoying thing that speaking absolute gibberish confidently is viewed as fine.

I was surprised at how Biden was unable to recover from that debate and it changed my mind, it seems like he might be genuinely infirm despite his A+ performance as president.

The difference is Democrats care about the qualities of their nominee. Trump’s brain is clearly pudding but republicans don’t care about governing so it’s irrelevant.

 

[K1052]

I was surprised at how Biden was unable to recover from that debate and it changed my mind, it seems like he might be genuinely infirm despite his A+ performance as president.

This is basically my view and my biggest concern going forward. He is unable to dig himself out of the hole he is in and could easily have another disastrous episode.

If this is what the people closest to him have been seeing for some time they are doing him and the party an enormous disservice keeping him going.

 

[yottabit]

I think the billionaire donors decided they want their 15% corporate tax cut

 

[manly]

I'll agree Biden is slipping, but if you listen to one of Trump's speeches it's completely off the rails. Only difference is Trump is loud and continues rambling.

Yes, Trump is a narcissistic psychopath, and he's also lost a step. But aside from his falling asleep at his own criminal trial and occasional nonsensical mumbling, you can't accuse him of looking catatonic during an important speaking engagement. Although I refuse to listen to the motherfucker, his ability to ramble for an hour is a skill and manna for the MAGAts.

Our bar for Joe Biden was not all that high for the debate (just do what he's done before), and he didn't come close to clearing it. Even if it was just a one-off, which we subsequently learned it wasn't, he couldn't have looked and performed worse.

To be crystal clear, we aren't abandoning Joe Biden because he's lost a step or even two. I've said I'll still roll with Joe if that's the final decision; but everyone is jumping off the Biden train because there's no confidence that he can win. That's the bottom line, not what his clinical diagnosis might be.

 

[MrSquished]

The media is borderline criminal for its lack of coverage of the crazy shit that comes out of Trump's mouth and also plenty of completely rambling age-related declined nonsense he says. It's so frustrating.

We definitely shouldn't hold our candidate to similar standards in regard to their mental competency. And unfortunately this is the playing field we have so we need to have a candidate that can communicate well.