Odds of Biden stepping down, being replaced. Choose.

[nakedfrog]

As pointed out above, we probably don't consider Obama a "boring" guy. He certainly wasn't in 2008's wave.

As for my comment about confidence, most of the objections to Biden stepping aside are from those that don't believe Harris can win in the swing states.* So comparisons to Gore and HRC won't assuage those concerns. I agree boring is not a disqualifier; it didn't disqualify Joe Biden in 2020, even when it looked like he was running behind some of the main contenders.

* Until recently, I was one and I still harbor doubts. But I'm also a realist, and the Biden reelection bid is not looking good right now. It's actually a minor miracle we're only down 2 points nationally; perhaps it could be even worse LOL. Nor should we minimize how bad the swing state polls are looking. Regardless of the candidate, something has to change between now and Election day for Dems to win the rigged EC. Also keep in mind that politically, Harris will be seen as a proxy for the Biden administration. So besides Joe's age, all the reasons voters are unhappy will just slide over to Harris/Shapiro. It's bullshit, but a lot of voters think the national economy is in the crapper and that dark-skinned migrants are on a crime and killing spree.

So to be clear, I'm in the same camp as @K1052, @repoman0 and yourself: something about this campaign needs to change and fairly soon to win in November. If Biden suddenly becomes the near-perfect candidate, with zero speaking flubs outside of an occasional harmless gaffe, I'd accept that. But the status quo of low confidence and further defections from prominent elected Dems is just not sustainable.

I am not included in that "we" circa 2008 Not sure if the "we" there is Democrats, independents, or ATP&N.

 

[fskimospy]

I’m a Pete fan but what has AOC actually accomplished?

A single house member isn’t going to be primarily responsible for anything unless they are in leadership. She’s an effective communicator though.

 

[vi edit]

At this point Dem's aren't winning back any votes of significance from R's. Like that's a lost cause. You need to get energy in every other demographic you can muster and let those smaller groups go out and mobilize for you. Things are different than even 10 years ago. Influencers and the internet does push messaging and reach communities that normally would have been ignored.

When you have a very socially active politician with a huge following you should leverage that. Trumps about the first to really figure out how to manipulate so well.

 

[vi edit]

A single house member isn’t going to be primarily responsible for anything unless they are in leadership. She’s an effective communicator though.

I agree and in committee hearings she does seem to have a really sharp wit and able to really grill on meaningful issues. It's not all grandstanding.

 

[manly]

I am not included in that "we" circa 2008 Not sure if the "we" there is Democrats, independents, or ATP&N.

Not if you don't want to be. I'm sure you remember 2008's Hope and change motto. Obama is a really good orator, beginning with his 2004 DNC break-out. I don't think many people would agree that Obama was a "boring" candidate was my point.

 

[vi edit]

Clinton and Obama were both pretty interesting and witty. Much different candidates than the norm.

 

[eelw]

Lol doh he has covid. Doug Emhoff apparently had it last week. So most likely from there

 

[K1052]

Hard to believe he is anything but cursed this year.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813697279825465753

 

[gothuevos]

LOL this fucking simulation

 

[nakedfrog]

Not if you don't want to be. I'm sure you remember 2008's Hope and change motto. Obama is a really good orator, beginning with his 2004 DNC break-out. I don't think many people would agree that Obama was a "boring" candidate was my point.

Yes, he was absolutely a good orator. That does not rise to the level of "interesting", but is certainly a useful skill for someone with his goals. We can agree to disagree, I think I could find many people that would agree he was a boring candidate.

Clinton and Obama were both pretty interesting and witty. Much different candidates than the norm.

Bill Clinton was not boring, that's true.

 

[ivwshane]

VP isn't about accomplishments. And it's not like 45 had any merits behind him.

That wasn’t my question.

 

[MrSquished]

I'm amazed how Schiff had the balls and nobody else has come out publicly today yet. The Dems are just spineless and dragging this out too long. It's goddamn sad.

 

[gothuevos]

Hard to believe he is anything but cursed this year.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813697279825465753

Or maybe he'll use it as extra motivation?

"I beat the pundits, I beat the elites, I beat COVID and I can beat Trump too!"
/cries in Howard Dean

 

[Roger Wilco]

Looks like Biden has found his medical condition.

 

[K1052]

Joe went to Vegas and all he got was COVID and Jeff telling him the money is cut off.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813702823831560272

 

[cytg111]

Hard to believe he is anything but cursed this year.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813697279825465753

Say it with me: Long Covid - Brainfog. He is going to be speaking in tongues. Maybe he accidentally casts a spell on Trump and his head explodes?

 

[MrSquished]

Hard to believe he is anything but cursed this year.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813697279825465753

Have to take this with a giant grain of salt. The Biden inner circle has been gaslighting us for months about Biden's condition. Quite possible they hadn't had him all juiced up and ready to go, or he needed a few days rest, or they are just trying to slow things down. I don't believe anything coming out of the Biden White house at this point in regards to Biden's health, condition, or anything about his campaign, they have lied so much and are so out of touch with reality.

 

[Puffnstuff]

He missed his speaking event in Vegas today so the covid must be doing something. This is at least the 3rd time he's had it this term.

 

[K1052]

Closing time my man. You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813707855553614212

 

[IronWing]

Yes, he was absolutely a good orator. That does not rise to the level of "interesting", but is certainly a useful skill for someone with his goals. We can agree to disagree, I think I could find many people that would agree he was a boring candidate.

It is my contention that Obama would never have risen above the pack if not for Obama Girl. He was another guy in a suit before she drew attention to him.

 

[fskimospy]

It is my contention that Obama would never have risen above the pack if not for Obama Girl. He was another guy in a suit before she drew attention to him.

Obama became quite famous from his DNC speech in 2004.

 

[K1052]

bit more context to the Schumer story

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813713869463810282

oh man its cold

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813713429259022818

 

[IronWing]

Obama became quite famous from his DNC speech in 2004.

Only to people who watch convention speeches.

 

[Moonbeam]

Have to take this with a giant grain of salt. The Biden inner circle has been gaslighting us for months about Biden's condition. Quite possible they hadn't had him all juiced up and ready to go, or he needed a few days rest, or they are just trying to slow things down. I don't believe anything coming out of the Biden White house at this point in regards to Biden's health, condition, or anything about his campaign, they have lied so much and are so out of touch with reality.

Typical conservative, truth is whatever you feel. Keep it up. Pretty soon you'll start thinking that people who disagree with you belong to a cult.

 

[K1052]

Only to people who watch convention speeches.

Some 10M people, presumably mostly Democrats, watched him give that speech.