Odds of Biden stepping down, being replaced. Choose.

[Puffnstuff]

Democrats will not avoid a 25th removal if it comes to that. They aren't Republicans.

Gentlemen if we consider how the R's block the D's to make themselves look better I would look for them to twist such a situation to maximize that news cycle.

 

[MrSquished]

From threads:

Pelosi passed the torch before age robbed her of her power.
Breyer stepped aside while fully with it too.
Same with Fauci.
McConnell froze twice at press events before announcing he’d step down as senate minority leader a few months later. Better late than never.
Ginsburg clung to the gavel and Trump pried it from her cold dead hand.
Let’s not give him another gift.
Joe Biden, pass the torch.

 

[trenchfoot]

Joe Biden is one egotistical delusional maniac. I honestly thought he was a good dude until this bullshit. Basically all the word from people that actually have access to him, who aren't in his inner circle cult, it all points you the same thing, the guy has declined way too much.

What a disgrace.

For a minute I thought the Democrats did have the courage and fortitude to do the right thing. Now they seem to be falling back to their usual being too timid and scared and they are too much about giving deference to established Dem pols. Even the ones that are well on their decline out of competency.

It seems to me there needs to be a brief yet very essential cooling down period before the best decision is arrived at as to whether Biden should continue on or step aside. It's too soon for Biden to make that decision and it's too soon for the party to respond to this dilemma in a rational even tempered manner. They'll do it soon enough as their candle is burning from both ends and both Biden and his in-house critics are well aware of it, so much sooner than later seems to be the time frame for it all to come to a head. Afterall, these aren't Trump and his MAGAts that we're concerned with here.

 

[Brainonska511]

Candidate and campaign showing confidence that they can win, instead of going along with the media circus and doing "polls-based decision-making" to publicly signal they might exit the race is egotistical? Right... I don't think it would be great precedent to have a candidate step aside because the pundit and donor class insist on that happening because that group decided to collectively crap their pants.

As someone on twitter put it, politics isn't looking at numbers and knowing what will happen. It's looking at the numbers and then working to make things happen. Biden is doing the work - he's out there campaigning every day, despite the bad debate performance and the media whirlwind that came for him. We can't just run poll after poll to magic up a new candidate pair (eg, Harris + someone else) that somehow polls better and call it a day.

 

[MrSquished]

Imagine still thinking this is all media driven. There's a lot of comments about that I've seen how delusional that is. Like Biden is fine he's been great and this is just completely media driven. It's absolutely insulting to intelligence

 

[Indus]

Imagine still thinking this is all media driven. There's a lot of comments about that I've seen how delusional that is. Like Biden is fine he's been great and this is just completely media driven. It's absolutely insulting to intelligence

Are you the Rust prosecutor who's been losing her shit left, right and center recently??

 

[Puffnstuff]

We can't unsee what we've already seen before and after the debate. My eyes and ears provided my brain with information that I processed without any media influence arriving at my own conclusion after which I discovered that many other people had also arrived at the same conclusion.

A lot of supporters are still in confirmation bias ignoring facts that don't align with their desire to believe that everything is okay which it is not.

 

[Brovane]

So polling can change with shifting media narratives for Harris, but couldn't change for Biden if the media narrative shifted there?

He would need to stop calling Zelensky Putin and Harris VP Trump. Biden's cognitive decline isn't going to get better.

 

[Brainonska511]

We can't unsee what we've already seen before and after the debate. My eyes and ears provided my brain with information that I processed without any media influence arriving at my own conclusion after which I discovered that many other people had also arrived at the same conclusion.

A lot of supporters are still in confirmation bias ignoring facts that don't align with their desire to believe that everything is okay which it is not.

Through the magic of recorded audio and video, we can see his post-debate appearances, and many pre-debate appearances and see those were largely fine. We also have the whole "Biden has been doing the job as president" since he was sworn in and it's largely been successful despite slim congressional majorities .

 

[Brovane]

Anecdotally I talked to a NH voter about the situation, someone who supports Biden and they insinuated they’d never vote for Kamala… when pressed for why I got “she’s awful” and “her politics suck” - they seemed to think other NH voters would share a similar sentiment and it would be a Hillary 2.0 type situation. I asked if he thought having a moderate white middle aged guy for VP would change things at all and they didn’t seem to care. This was basically my initial fears about Kamala for pres.

This is why I start asking, why is she awful? Be specific, what sucks about her politics?

 

[Brainonska511]

He would need to stop calling Zelensky Putin and Harris VP Trump. Biden's cognitive decline isn't going to get better.

I'm sure you've never misspoken in your entire life.

In almost every instance of a misspoken name, it's clear he isn't "confusing" people like someone experiencing cognitive decline might do. He clearly knows who he is talking about, if only using the wrong name briefly.

 

[eelw]

Democrats will not avoid a 25th removal if it comes to that. They aren't Republicans.

Which brings up further proof he hasn’t had any cognitive issues to warrant the use of the 25A and that the debate is being overblown

 

[Puffnstuff]

There are plenty of videos of Biden wandering away from where he's supposed to go and people having to go get him. Elderly people with dementia do this on a regular basis.

 

[Brainonska511]

There are plenty of videos of Biden wandering away from where he's supposed to go and people having to go get him. Elderly people with dementia do this on a regular basis.

From every weirdly cropped/cut video I've seen to date, the "wandering off" is largely not true. But good to know you're susceptible to right-wing propaganda people push on social media.

 

[Brovane]

I'm sure you've never misspoken in your entire life.

In almost every instance of a misspoken name, it's clear he isn't "confusing" people like someone experiencing cognitive decline might do. He clearly knows who he is talking about, if only using the wrong name briefly.

The problem is when he mis-speaks in front of the world at really bad times. Nothing I have seen since the debate has convinced me that Biden doesn't have cognitive decline. I kept hoping that wasn't the case and it was just a off night.

 

[FelixDeCat]

This is why I start asking, why is she awful? Be specific, what sucks about her politics?

Kamala appears to be:

1) Short sighted.
2) Irrational.

 

[eelw]

The problem is when he mis-speaks in front of the world at really bad times. Nothing I have seen since the debate has convinced me that Biden doesn't have cognitive decline. I kept hoping that wasn't the case and it was just a off night.

Sure it looks bad. But all of the NATO leaders (well except Orban) would still prefer Biden to win re-election.

As to but can he stand up to Putin or Xi. Lol is he going to have a physical fight with them? Sure they maybe quicker witted but not like it’s only head of state vs head of state. They know they can’t attempt to trick or outmaneuver Biden since he has the weight of the entire US military behind him.

 

[Indus]

The problem is when he mis-speaks in front of the world at really bad times. Nothing I have seen since the debate has convinced me that Biden doesn't have cognitive decline. I kept hoping that wasn't the case and it was just a off night.

Life isn't fair!

If you're not voting Trump the dictator, it's time to hold your nose and vote for the guy that actually has a decent chance to pull it off and beat him.

People can complicate it, make it opaque, but it's really that simple!

 

[Puffnstuff]

From every weirdly cropped/cut video I've seen to date, the "wandering off" is largely not true. But good to know you're susceptible to right-wing propaganda people push on social media.

My own father is 81 and winding down in the same way so I have a very clear grasp of what is happening.

 

[Brovane]

Life isn't fair!

If you're not voting Trump the dictator, it's time to hold your nose and vote for the guy that actually has a decent chance to pull it off and beat him.

People can complicate it, make it opaque, but it's really that simple!

I am voting for whoever is on the Democratic Ticket. I just don't think Biden has what it takes to win against Trump.

 

[brycejones]

There are plenty of videos of Biden wandering away from where he's supposed to go and people having to go get him. Elderly people with dementia do this on a regular basis.

Oh bless your heart

 

[Indus]

My own father is 81 and winding down in the same way so I have a very clear grasp of what is happening.

So's my dad, but he's not a psychotic wanna be nazi loving dictator!

Sure he needs help getting his bearings and train of thought sometimes but that's way better than the other guy!

 

[brycejones]

My own father is 81 and winding down in the same way so I have a very clear grasp of what is happening.

Except you’re basing it on edited footage. So who is suffering from confirmation bias?

 

[MrSquished]

So polling can change with shifting media narratives for Harris, but couldn't change for Biden if the media narrative shifted there?

People at that age don't get younger and gain back mental capacity. That's the difference. Biden looks bad when when he's supposedly doing good according to his fan base. It's just bad. How can it shift when he's only going to get worse? We know things about aging btw.

 

[Indus]

I am voting for whoever is on the Democratic Ticket. I just don't think Biden has what it takes to win against Trump.

That's why we must work harder!

This is the opposite of Hillary has in the bag! Fight like we're 10 points behind and work hard to get those that can turn the election around!