I think people are still at least a little embarrassed to support a serial felon, rapist, and coup plotter so they still feel the need to invent excuses.
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Odds of Biden stepping down, being replaced. Choose.
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brycejones
Lifer
At least you are being honest for once. But good lord how much in denial are you to think that Trump speaks in reasonably coherent sentences?
Indus
Lifer
No this is America.
There is no shame, no embarrassment.
But Biden deserves to lose. Yes I'll vote for him but he deserves to lose because a real man would have dealt with all the traitors and not hid behind law and order excuses.
Do what must be done Lord Vader. Do not hesitate. Show no mercy.
K1052
Elite Member
So where we at?
1) Biden still in but seems to be adjusting his criteria somewhat already for dropping out from only god can tell him to well if the polling gets worse essentially. This may undergo more adjustment as circumstances dictate (political support, fundraising, feedback from his allies). His campaign is implicitly writing off states that are not WI, MI, and PA so we are back in the much dreaded "blue wall" strategy territory as the primary hope for this to get pulled off. Certainly plausible but not exactly what I'd call reassuring.
2) Trump for his part thinks he's already won when his national lead is less than half of what Hillary enjoyed at this time in 2016 and arguably after the best news cycles for him in recent memory. Popping the cork with months to go feels unwise but he's never had a surplus of that to say the least. Trump veepstakes still ongoing but nobody really seems to care. Vance appears favored but who knows. There is a chance their conviction that Biden must stay in at all costs could ultimately backfire and the shit is absolutely going to hit the fan if Trump is leading him in the polls going in to E day but its looking like he loses as the vote comes in.
3) If the switch happens it is abundantly clear he will endorse Harris. He even noted the practical hurdles to anybody else trying to step in at this point like the campaign war chest. Glowing praise for her when asked about her ability to do the job and confidence in her. This also could be in part a judgement that if he has to step down for health reasons in a 2nd term that the country would be in good hands.
1) Biden still in but seems to be adjusting his criteria somewhat already for dropping out from only god can tell him to well if the polling gets worse essentially. This may undergo more adjustment as circumstances dictate (political support, fundraising, feedback from his allies). His campaign is implicitly writing off states that are not WI, MI, and PA so we are back in the much dreaded "blue wall" strategy territory as the primary hope for this to get pulled off. Certainly plausible but not exactly what I'd call reassuring.
2) Trump for his part thinks he's already won when his national lead is less than half of what Hillary enjoyed at this time in 2016 and arguably after the best news cycles for him in recent memory. Popping the cork with months to go feels unwise but he's never had a surplus of that to say the least. Trump veepstakes still ongoing but nobody really seems to care. Vance appears favored but who knows. There is a chance their conviction that Biden must stay in at all costs could ultimately backfire and the shit is absolutely going to hit the fan if Trump is leading him in the polls going in to E day but its looking like he loses as the vote comes in.
3) If the switch happens it is abundantly clear he will endorse Harris. He even noted the practical hurdles to anybody else trying to step in at this point like the campaign war chest. Glowing praise for her when asked about her ability to do the job and confidence in her. This also could be in part a judgement that if he has to step down for health reasons in a 2nd term that the country would be in good hands.
Hehe yup it’s only a matter of time he’ll demand stop the counting. I’ve already won
NWRMidnight
Diamond Member
Don't you mean Trump babbles like the village idiot? Seems you are seriously confused.
cytg111
Lifer
Grab em by the pussy.
Green: Its just locker room talk.
Bans abortion.
Green: States rights, dont like it move.
Stages a coup, fails, continues publicly articulate he is gonna try again given the chance
Green: I am so over democracy.
I mean. Hello? He hates YOU so much that he is willing to cook himself in order to get to you.
Ask him this: Which is worse, a literal Nazi or a Democrat?
MrSquished
Lifer
honest? Harris speaks in babbling sentences? The guy is his usual archaic racist and misogynistic self.
MrSquished
Lifer
So not only did the campaign plant the questions from the Philadelphia area radio interview, a different radio station interview edited the interview at the White House's request recently as well
but this will only get better I'm sure if Biden stays in
Civic Media
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but this will only get better I'm sure if Biden stays in
K1052
Elite Member
She did not often do a great job of speaking at public engagements but has improved a lot over the last 4 years. She has her own style like every politician does.
If you want to depress yourself you can look at Biden engagements from 3-4 years ago too and compare them to now. Trump has also slowed down and become even less coherent over the years but the press is stuck in the "well that's just Trump being Trump" mindset. This is more just noting the fact of the passage of time's effect on human beings than necessarily a criticism even though one person is not getting a pass and another clearly is.
All snarkiness and doomerism aside... could we see Biden make a comeback in October? Especially if Dems coalesce around him after the convention and we continue to see small economic tailwinds?
Interesting take from Matthews that Biden is trying to spin loss of support from Hollywood and party "elites" as painting him as a true Dem for the people.
Biden the populist! LOL
Interesting take from Matthews that Biden is trying to spin loss of support from Hollywood and party "elites" as painting him as a true Dem for the people.
Biden the populist! LOL
Bitek
Lifer
Woah woah woah, you said the quiet part out loud. Also a great example how cynical identity politics is hobbling the democratic party.
Neither of these candidates were voted for in the primaries. Pete is eloquent, but still is not particularly qualified. Harris is deeply unpopular.
But because of labels, not popular vote, not merit, they should get nominations..
.. And Ds can use the craven strategy of -ist and -phobe attacks rather than win on policy and merit.
F this election and both parties.
K1052
Elite Member
Is this a possiblity? Absolutely. How probable is it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Depends on simply unknowable events between now and then.
[DHT]Osiris
Lifer
I happen to think they'd both be excellent at their jobs, and they both have good name recognition (potentially due to their labels, but the reason is irrelevant). If you say Harris and Mayor Pete, everyone knows who you're talking about, and that's half the fight.
Don't assume the label is the reason I selected them.
Indus
Lifer
My friends know this and they're very much jaded just like you.
They can't believe the dems don't have commons sense to fight for what's really important (scotus seats, abortion, guns, marriage rights) and instead get distracted by bad debates.
They're leaving dem party and becoming independents but they still hate Trump.
cytg111
Lifer
Nope. Media has zoomed in on the click-money. "Biden Cooked" sells clicks.
nakedfrog
No Lifer
Some independents, not all. Many independents are further left than the democratic party. Would likely engage more of the youth vote. Not saying it's a good idea for 2024 though.
I understand that you believe this, but it's quite tedious to see you repeat it over and over again like that makes it more true. In thousands of years of human history we keep building societies based on ideas of honor and justice, this seems to me less likely if humans are "inherently evil". Have you considered therapy? I understand this isn't a shining moment in which to live, but you seem to be consumed by doom.
Is this a serious question? He very much clearly, obviously does. While he doesn't specifically like Trump, he can relate to him and understands his motivations.
Well, that is rather his stock in trade.
[DHT]Osiris
Lifer
It's more than a 'bad debate', it's representative of a bigger issue and everyone knows it, everyone was just hoping it wouldn't rear it's head at least until after the election.
MrSquished
Lifer
Listen if people think this is about one debate then they're just completely wrong. Number two the media also is a lot of the coverage but as we see it's legitimate. And all those nice things that we want that you mention are going to go bye-bye because elections happen around candidates. and right now we don't have a good one. this is about beating Trump
Bitek
Lifer
1st female becoming US president by riding in on a man's coattails rather than winning it herself outright.. oof
Yeah, let's engrave this election disaster right into the history books. Galaxy brain advisors at work here.
Indus
Lifer
trenchfoot
Lifer
Well I'm regrettably going to give Trump a limp thumbs up for deferring to the adage: “Never Interfere With an Enemy While He's in the Process of Destroying Himself”.
Look, I'm absolutely certain that Biden and the Democrat leadership are going to sort this issue out with Biden's mental acuity in time to present a united front against Trump's assault on Democracy but damn if it hasn't been painful to see Biden beating back the attack dogs from his own camp while simultaneously fighting against Trump's and his party's campaign of lies and disinformation. I'm not changing my vote about Biden's odds while hoping for a miracle but logic dictates for me to move off of that position sooner than later. For now I'll stick with 0% but I do have a light pull on the trigger to change my mind.
C'mon Joe, you've beaten the odds many times before, time to step up beyond the possible and into the near impossible and make certain you prevent your "get up and go done got up and left".
Look, I'm absolutely certain that Biden and the Democrat leadership are going to sort this issue out with Biden's mental acuity in time to present a united front against Trump's assault on Democracy but damn if it hasn't been painful to see Biden beating back the attack dogs from his own camp while simultaneously fighting against Trump's and his party's campaign of lies and disinformation. I'm not changing my vote about Biden's odds while hoping for a miracle but logic dictates for me to move off of that position sooner than later. For now I'll stick with 0% but I do have a light pull on the trigger to change my mind.
C'mon Joe, you've beaten the odds many times before, time to step up beyond the possible and into the near impossible and make certain you prevent your "get up and go done got up and left".
K1052
Elite Member
Every VP that runs following the terming out of the President they served is effectively doing this.
Puffnstuff
Lifer
I'm so disappointed in democratic leadership for allowing this to get this far along so late in the day.
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