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K1052 said:
It should be noted that Harris is the only person who can access the funds the campaign has raised, some 215M cash on hand. Anybody else would be starting over four months out. Another reason why dreams about Whitmer, Newsom, etc are ever further fetched than they already are.
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More amusing: the ones that go on about "why didn't Biden groom anyone for the past 4 years to take his place?" A) What about Kamala Harris? (Again, optics of ignoring the black woman on the ticket), B) make it known you're training a replacement that people know so that Republicans can have 4 years to run a smear campaign?, and C) At least online, people don't like the whole notion of people being "anointed" by party insiders - that would basically be that exact (somewhat made-up) situation that everyone was screaming about in 2016 and 2020 (when "the shadowy party consolidated behind Biden to lock out Bernie").
 
eelw said:
Will join in on the pile on. No it’s idiotic to vote 3rd party. Sure if the US didn’t have the stupid EC, then maybe. But a vote not for Biden is vote saying you are a fool.
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Even without the EC, third party would still be stupid. The only way a 3rd party works is in a proportional system or ranked choice voting. As long an election is first-past-the-post, a 3rd party only serves to dilute the vote for a preferred candidate.
 
Brainonska511 said:
Even without the EC, third party would still be stupid. The only way a 3rd party works is in a proportional system or ranked choice voting. As long an election is first-past-the-post, a 3rd party only serves to dilute the vote for a preferred candidate.
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It would probably be less destructive in a PV situation but still possibly a problem if it increased in popularity. Still with how things are now voting 3rd party is somewhere between delusional and actively malicious.
 
KMFJD said:
my main view on this whole clusterfuck is that they wasted 4 years not getting anyone ready when it should have been fucking obvious to do so
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-I mean maybe I'm just out of the news cycle but they should have had younger surrogates go and do the morning talk show circuit regularly, Reddit AMAs, whatever and just get their names/faces out there.

Hell I have barely even seen Kamala Harris, normally the younger VP would make a perfect surrogate in these situations but they've decided to lock her in a fridge somewhere and that's left everyone with a "Kamala from the 2020 debates" impression of her, which is not good.
 
GodisanAtheist said:
Hell I have barely even seen Kamala Harris, normally the younger VP would make a perfect surrogate in these situations but they've decided to lock her in a fridge somewhere and that's left everyone with a "Kamala from the 2020 debates" impression of her, which is not good.
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She's been doing a lot of events out west. In no administration has "The VP should do a ton of press all the time so as to overshadow the President" really been a thing. VPs complain about being sidelined as a matter of routine but that's what happens in the job.
 
K1052 said:
She's been doing a lot of events out west. In no administration has "The VP should do a ton of press all the time so as to overshadow the President" really been a thing. VPs complain about being sidelined as a matter of routine but that's what happens in the job.
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Historically, that's why some people have been chosen as VP: get them out of the way (ie, Teddy Roosevelt).
 
K1052 said:
She's been doing a lot of events out west. In no administration has "The VP should do a ton of press all the time so as to overshadow the President" really been a thing. VPs complain about being sidelined as a matter of routine but that's what happens in the job.
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-Hmmmm I feel like Biden was much more out there during the Obama presidency than your average VP, but maybe that was just cause Obama is black and some folks just hear things different when it comes from an old white guy.
 
There’s no realistic scenario of Biden stepping aside and the nomination not going to Harris. Probably the biggest reason is that Harris is the only other politician who can access the hundreds of millions of dollars in the Biden/Harris campaign account. As I understand ... You can’t just slide that money over to some new candidate under FEC rules.

The Dems should have plans to elevate her anyway in case of Joe having a medical event rendering him incapacitated, or in the event Joe would pass in office. Although I think Biden and the Dems have done her a major disservice by not consistently elevating her status as VP the way Obama had done for Joe. They should have been finding ways to demonstrate Harris’s competent leadership in executing Biden’s agenda, to put her in the most favorable position to pick up if something does happen. Instead she’s been largely invisible from a performance standpoint. Hell, we heard more from Cheney in his “undisclosed location” than Harris.
 
The problem democrats have is their inability to recognize cognitive decline due to age and medical issues tied to age. How is Biden going to improve if his mental capacity is gone? It's elder abuse to say otherwise.
 
The Democrats really fucked this up badly. Of course they can still win, but that doesn't excuse what we they have given us. It's insulting.
 
America wasn't supposed to be a suicide pact. That, again x3 now, seems to be the theme though. Pass the torch already, stop this geriatric nonsense.
 
Hans Gruber said:
The problem democrats have is their inability to recognize cognitive decline due to age and medical issues tied to age. How is Biden going to improve if his mental capacity is gone? It's elder abuse to say otherwise.
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Joe is just not a good debater and never was. His brain would get ahead of his mouth at times and would lead to stuttering. The format agreed to for this debate did not favor him. Obviously, when using a teleprompter or cliff notes like in the SOTU speech or his rally just recently Joe is better. Team Biden agreeing to a no notes format was a mistake.

The Presidency isn’t about trading barbs with a carnival barker. It’s about getting your ideas implemented as policy. I don’t really care how the sausage is made behind the scenes. It’s working. Biden’s presidency has been one of the best in terms of policy achievements in my lifetime, even taking into account the unfavorable House and SCOTUS situations.
 
Zero percent chance he is going to back out.
I think he should, but I don't think he will do it on his own.

As to who should step up? I don't see many alternatives that would be acceptable.
 
eelw said:
Will join in on the pile on. No it’s idiotic to vote 3rd party. Sure if the US didn’t have the stupid EC, then maybe. But a vote not for Biden is vote saying you are a fool.
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So there's a convicted felon, a senile old man (giving off Dianne Feinstein vibes), or Cornel West. I'll take Cornell West.
 
VRAMdemon said:
There’s no realistic scenario of Biden stepping aside and the nomination not going to Harris. Probably the biggest reason is that Harris is the only other politician who can access the hundreds of millions of dollars in the Biden/Harris campaign account. As I understand ... You can’t just slide that money over to some new candidate under FEC rules.
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This and the fact that the party, and I mean the people in it not the apparatus itself, are not going to shove aside a sitting black female VP. In the event Biden did decide to quit he’d probably endorse her at the same time.
 
brycejones said:
So you have brain worms?
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Didn't you say that 25 posts ago? I thought you were supposed to be working on excuses for why Biden did so poorly? Anyone that compares his performance in the 2020 debates with Thursday night should realize he struggles to put together a coherent thought unless someone writes it on a piece of paper or a teleprompter.

He's going up against a convicted felon, he should be up by 30 points instead of being in a close race. Heck, I think he's under performing every Democratic Senator and Congressman running down ballot.
 
dlerious said:
He's going up against a convicted felon, he should be up by 30 points instead of being in a close race. Heck, I think he's under performing every Democratic Senator and Congressman running down ballot.
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Obama, a once in a generation (at a minimum) political talent, beat McCain in 2008 by 7 points. What you are talking about doesn't happen in modern politics.
 
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