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dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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But but but a neurologist visited the WH 8 times. But but but Hunter is sitting in on meetings. But but but Biden couldn’t take a meeting with the German chancellor and Blinken had to cover for him. But but but why won’t he agree to a cognitive test.

Yup idiotic rumours the media is using to show he has dementia.

Like he has a Dr with him whenever he leaves the WH. So he’s constantly being monitor. It’s a dereliction of his duty if he allowed any type of mental and physical issue not be diagnosed, reported and treated.

But yet we have all these bedwetters complaining and they admit they haven’t met Biden in person in a long time. Let’s ignore the WH Dr. Let’s ignore Jill. Nah apparently she’s playing puppet master. Let’s ignore all the high ranking Dems that have met with Biden daily and dont have any concerns. Nah let’s believe the WH staffer rumours that his closest advisors are hiding his condition

And it’s stupid that a test of their mental fitness is to stand there for 2 hours and answer media questions???
Honestly Biden should call a press conference and simply say person woman man camera TV, drop the mic and kick the door open on the way out. That should be the end of the discussion.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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If you listen to the polling that Biden is losing to Trump you should probably also listen to the same polling that says Kamala would lose by a larger margin.

This question has gotten a workout in the polls since the debate. Some polls find here doing a little worse, some find her about even with Trump, some show a slight edge. This would indicate a difference from before when every survey showed her trailing Trump in a hypothetical match. So I would not say the empirical evidence necessarily disfavors her compared to Biden at this point.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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This question has gotten a workout in the polls since the debate. Some polls find here doing a little worse, some find her about even with Trump, some show a slight edge. This would indicate a difference from before when every survey showed her trailing Trump in a hypothetical match. So I would not say the empirical evidence necessarily disfavors her compared to Biden at this point.
Yeah but all within the margin of error, so as usual, these polls are mostly meaningless. Just pointing out that poster's inclination to unquestioningly accept data that tells them what they want to hear and reject data that does the opposite.
 
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K1052

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Yeah but all within the margin of error, so as usual, these polls are useless. Just pointing out that poster's inclination to unquestioningly accept data that tells them what they want to hear and reject data that does the opposite.

It's clearly moved directionally towards her as Biden's issues have mounted.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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It's clearly moved directionally towards her as Biden's issues have mounted.
Well then let's all pray that God strikes Biden down so the Giggler can save us all from Armageddon. Like seriously, the worst criticism conservatives and independents can muster is she laughs weird, and they think that is a valid disqualification. Trying to hash this out by asking your average voter what they plan to do in 4 months seems like a huge waste of time right now.
 
Dec 10, 2005
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It's clearly moved directionally towards her as Biden's issues have mounted.
I don't think the data is very clear about what would happen if you replace the top of the ticket, and those in favor of replacement haven't exactly been making a strong case for doing something incredibly drastic; and the playing coy with what the ticket will become (since there is really no time for additional infighting) isn't exactly inspiring confidence in making such a move.
 
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K1052

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I don't think the data is very clear about what would happen if you replace the top of the ticket, and those in favor of replacement haven't exactly been making a strong case for doing something incredibly drastic; and the playing coy with what the ticket will become (since there is really no time for additional infighting) isn't exactly inspiring confidence in making such a move.

Anybody promising they know what's going to happen is lying. All we can do is look at the directions things are going and use our own personal judgements. From where I sit the current direction is not good. The other one might not be either.
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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Aside from fear, alcohol can turn also liberals into conservatives. Oh my God, Biden is going to lose. He's opening himself up to criticism not conforming to the standard of debating skills proper for a political candidate and that's what really matters. We have to look good, please Mommy and Daddy or they are going to crucify us for seeming different. Please oh please, God, don't make me feel anxious about my candidate or I'll relive what you did to me and maybe even feel enough rage to actually kill you. I just want to be a good boy and please you. Joe Biden you fuck, act Presidential. My ego identity is at stake. Please oh please don't let those fucking Republicans win. And meanwhile let me help them by collapsing like a pool of mush on the floor. Aren't mirrors fun?
 

Moonbeam

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Honestly Biden should call a press conference and simply say person woman man camera TV, drop the mic and kick the door open on the way out. That should be the end of the discussion.
Maybe he should threaten Guantanamo for all the turncoat traitors.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
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I think the Democrats and the Biden WH deliberately concealed Biden's cognitive issues because Biden is putting his ego before what is good for the country. The primary really wasn't a true primary because of this subterfuge. What should have happened is Biden should have said he wasn't running in 2024 and allowed Harris and anyone else that wanted to take a crack at getting the nomination to step up and campaign. Now we have a mess 4-months out from a critical election.
Indeed. Let's remember, when Biden chose to run again a majority of his own party didn't want him to to.. His ego took that as a mandate that he should use his elite position as the incumbent, and prevent his party having any real choice other than him. He did the opposite of what the non-elite wanted, his actual voters, a big giant fuck you. We had a formality of a primary that now his cultists are saying he beat out the competition? Holy MAGA level cognitive dissonance. He prevented any real competition from happening.

He did everything wrong, and the situation many of said was likely to happen, not to gamble like this, happened. And yes, now we have a mess that was easily predictable, but Biden's ego couldn't stop him. And now the Dems are showing what a shitty party they are - from the cultists, and not enough powerful dems having the courage or heart to do the right thing fast enough if at all. Pathetic wimps really. The only reason Trump is this close in the race is Joe Biden being such a shitty candidate. Otherwise he'd be trailing noticeably.

What a shit show.
 
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nakedfrog

No Lifer
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Well then let's all pray that God strikes Biden down so the Giggler can save us all from Armageddon. Like seriously, the worst criticism conservatives and independents can muster is she laughs weird, and they think that is a valid disqualification. Trying to hash this out by asking your average voter what they plan to do in 4 months seems like a huge waste of time right now.
Don't forget "slept her way to the top" or whatever.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
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Life is not fair and the parties are not the same. Dealing head on with these realities is unavoidable if winning is the objective.
These people still think elections are just about policy achievements and proclamations. They still haven't figured out that candidates actually matter, and in this case, for a very good reason. It's just mind-blowing how out of touch with our political reality these people are. It's been like this as long as we have been alive. There is no excuse.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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'i don't have to listen because other people aren't listening, so we're all the same'
I don't care how weird an area is, a true progressive would never self identify as a Republican. It's like deciding to be a progressive Nazi.
Idk, he may be the least Republican out there or something, but he's trying at least. Climate change, health care, etc, he's on board at least outwardly.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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'i don't have to listen because other people aren't listening, so we're all the same'

Idk, he may be the least Republican out there or something, but he's trying at least. Climate change, health care, etc, he's on board at least outwardly.

Thanks for proving my point. I said the exact opposite of what you claimed but you wouldn’t know because you aren’t listening.
 
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Guys, when Biden chose to run again, the majority of his party didn't want him to run. That's why he racked up millions of votes in a primary against a guy that was literally "younger generic democrat" and why no one with more name recognition stepped in to run.
Let's remember, when Biden chose to run again a majority of his own party didn't want him to to..
 
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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Thanks for proving my point. I said the exact opposite of what you claimed but you wouldn’t know because you aren’t listening.
Look, this is what you said when I stated that people have actual thoughts and opinions about this subject:
Fantastic! And exactly how do you plan to let everyone voice their concern?
I answered your very simple question with a very simple answer. I'm really not interested in this weird tit for tat that's come after it. You were the one that then went complaining that other people haven't conformed to your world view.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Guys, when Biden chose to run again, the majority of his party didn't want him to run. That's why he racked up millions of votes in a primary against a guy that was literally "younger generic democrat" and why no one with more name recognition stepped in to run.
Think that would have happened if he had debated one of them first, and it had gone the way the Trump debate went?
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Look, this is what you said when I stated that people have actual thoughts and opinions about this subject:

I answered your very simple question with a very simple answer. I'm really not interested in this weird tit for tat that's come after it. You were the one that then went complaining that other people haven't conformed to your world view.
We all do what your simple answer suggested, but that wasn't the point of his question. Shane was trying to point out to you that we already listen to millions of people's concerns and opinions by letting them vote in the primaries.
 
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Bitek

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Why should the race not be close? There are two main party's in the U.S., with most of the population belonging to one of the two. The last landslide election was in 1984, and that was only an 18% difference in the popular vote. I expect to see this election won by a slim margin, even after the country suddenly noticed that Joe isn't doing well. It's almost always just a very small group of undecided voters that swing the election one way or another.
For the record, I still think Joe has it in the bag. He'll get the democrat vote as long as he's breathing.

This, and the blue half generally hates Trump's guts. Joe could go full Weekend at Biden's and not lose that many votes to lying r@pist Trump.

Regardless, it's was sheer fing hubris for him to run again.

He's clearly aging rapidly and badly and in no way looks up to another 4 years. What a well deserved shitshow.