Odds of Biden stepping down, being replaced. Choose.

[brycejones]

Yes I call you mini cultists because you people have one very strong trait in common with cultists.

Denial of a very fucking obvious reality about a person.

Who here denies that Biden is old? Like seriously your cultist comment is pants on head stupid.

 

[MrSquished]

Who here denies that Biden is old? Like seriously your cultist comment is pants on head stupid.

Oh now we are back to - he is just old and it is one bad debate performance.

Holy fuck this is not just about age, this is about mental capacities and that has been made clear many many times. You still obfuscate and bullshit about everything. If Biden was just old, but fit, we would be fine.

Like I said, completely in denial about the reality of a person. This is bonkers cognitive dissonance.

Mini-cultists, through and through.

 

[Brainonska511]

Who here denies that Biden is old? Like seriously your cultist comment is pants on head stupid.

The insanity is a political elite (and associated media) that thinks everything is fine, and acts and reports like both candidates are fine. Thus, it's constant pants shitting stories centered around "too old?", instead of alarm bells going off all the time about the crazy fascist who wants to open concentration camps and destroy his political enemies using a captured DOJ.

Thus, the general public, which is known to be tuned out, just gets the feeling that one candidate is old, and some vague sense of why Trump is bad (instead of putting it in their face all the time).

 

[Zorba]

Which will serve as the larger electoral headwind?

- Biden’s terrible debate performance and ongoing concerns over his mental capabilities

- SCOTUS giving Trump a lifetime emperor appointment

The first bullet, of course. Just look at any news today, already going back to "Biden be old."

 

[UNCjigga]

I don’t think that we’re Biden cultists—just that at this stage of the game there doesn’t seem to be much of a change in path to victory with either Biden or Harris, and I have no idea how another nominee gets on the ballot given the GOP fuckery that’s already afoot in certain states. Fuck the polls—incumbency counts for quite a lot when you get to Election Day.

We have no illusions of Biden being like the “best president EVAR” or anything like that—just that we’d vote for any vegetable with a D next to it over Trump.

The key to victory is Dem turnout and convincing enough bozos to vote Biden vs. RFK. Convince me with sound arguments that D turnout overall improves with Harris, and I’d get onboard with Biden stepping down.

 

[Zorba]

We're going to get to test the big numbers that say "We just want somebody besides Trump/Biden".

Then see them immediately switch to "no, not them either." That said, Harris will be able to be out there and communicate much more effectively than Biden at this point.

 

[brycejones]

Oh now we are back to - he is just old and it is one bad debate performance.

Holy fuck this is not just about age, this is about mental capacities and that has been made clear many many times. You still obfuscate and bullshit about everything. If Biden was just old, but fit, we would be fine.

Like I said, completely in denial about the reality of a person. This is bonkers cognitive dissonance.

Mini-cultists, through and through.

bless your heart

 

[MrSquished]

I don’t think that we’re Biden cultists—just that at this stage of the game there doesn’t seem to be much of a change in path to victory with either Biden or Harris, and I have no idea how another nominee gets on the ballot given the GOP fuckery that’s already afoot in certain states. Fuck the polls—incumbency counts for quite a lot when you get to Election Day.

We have no illusions of Biden being like the “best president EVAR” or anything like that—just that we’d vote for any vegetable with a D next to it over Trump.

The key to victory is Dem turnout and convincing enough bozos to vote Biden vs. RFK. Convince me with sound arguments that D turnout overall improves with Harris, and I’d get onboard with Biden stepping down.

It's the repeating of nonsense like it was just one bad night, this is ageism, everybody is wrong about Biden, he's fine.

Again, if Biden was old and fit, we wouldn't be here right now. It's not just about being old, I mean this should be very obvious by now except to people in denial of reality.

And that's great that YOU would vote for anyone over Trump, just as most of us posters here would do, but us here in reality world need to make sure lots of other people very unsure about Biden go out and vote for him too. You know, the big picture. As in, its' a whole electorate.

 

[brycejones]

I don’t think that we’re Biden cultists—just that at this stage of the game there doesn’t seem to be much of a change in path to victory with either Biden or Harris, and I have no idea how another nominee gets on the ballot given the GOP fuckery that’s already afoot in certain states. Fuck the polls—incumbency counts for quite a lot when you get to Election Day.

We have no illusions of Biden being like the “best president EVAR” or anything like that—just that we’d vote for any vegetable with a D next to it over Trump.

The key to victory is Dem turnout and convincing enough bozos to vote Biden vs. RFK. Convince me with sound arguments that D turnout overall improves with Harris, and I’d get onboard with Biden stepping down.

This

 

[brycejones]

It's the repeating of nonsense like it was just one bad night, this is ageism, everybody is wrong about Biden, he's fine.

Again, if Biden was old and fit, we wouldn't be here right now. It's not just about being old, I mean this should be very obvious by now except to people in denial of reality.

It's funny, how every foible of Biden gets played up and yet Trump's absolutely insane shit is no big deal, not even worth reporting on. Just wondering if you understand you're kind of doing the GOP's work for them at this point? This is what Democrats do, have childish fights instead of focusing on the real enemy. Congrats you've become the 2024 version of a Bernie Bro.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yes I call you mini cultists because you people have one very strong trait in common with cultists.

Denial of a very fucking obvious reality about a person.

Maybe cultism takes two forms, two forms of victim mentality, one group hell bent on proving their pitiful self hate by destroying everyone else to get even for being victimized and the other hell bent on proving the same by manifesting self destruction of the self to prove the truth of that feeling.

If the world is insane as I claim it to be, perhaps you can see that the only cure for cultism is to leave it behind yourself.

 

[Moonbeam]

Rats leave a sinking ship not knowing if the captain will right it before it goes down. Self haters are magnetized by doom and gloom.

 

[MrSquished]

It's funny, how every foible of Biden gets played up and yet Trump's absolutely insane shit is no big deal, not even worth reporting on. Just wondering if you understand you're kind of doing the GOP's work for them at this point? This is what Democrats do, have childish fights instead of focusing on the real enemy. Congrats you've become the 2024 version of a Bernie Bro.

I think saying Trump's insane shit is no big deal is nonsense, as a shitload of people are turned off by his insanity and his own mental incompetence, which was on full display on Thursday, along with Biden's mental incompetence. I have never downplayed Trump's foibles, and you are talking to me here. Another nutty thing you believe. And yes, I have never disagreed that the media is biased, I rail against them all the time.

How that makes you feel we can put someone not mentally fit forward as our candidate is beyond me though. That's why you are a mini cultist. I don't measure my party by the same standards as the fucking insane GQP.
And I also don't feel respected by a party that thinks someone not fit for office is what they want to represent us sane people in a fight for literal Democracy, where we have to win the whole electorate, not just hardcore Dems. And I'm the problem? Man, that is nuts. I'm literally chuckling at my keyboard here at the pure ludicrousness of your statements.

I'm doing the GOP's work for them? LMAO. By calling out you nuts that are so detached from reality I'm like the GOP? Shit, that's the opposite of the GOP. Your willfull cognitive dissonance is at least similar to the insane cognitive dissonance MAGA's latch onto at times. I'm not saying you are as bad as MAGA overall, but you do share that trait with them ON THIS TOPIC.

 

[brycejones]

I think saying Trump's insane shit is no big deal is nonsense, as a shitload of people are turned off by his insanity, which was on full display. And yes, I have never disagreed that the media is biased, I rail against them all the time.

How that makes you feel we can put someone not mentally fit forward as our candidate is beyond me though. That's why you are a mini cultist. I don't measure my party by the same standards as the fucking insane GQP.
And I also don't feel respected by a party that thinks someone not fit for office is what they want to represent us sane people in a fight for literal Democracy. And I'm the problem? Man, that is nuts. I'm literally chuckling at my keyboard here at the pure ludicrousness of your statements.

I'm doing the GOP's work for them? LMAO. By calling out you nuts that are so detached from reality I'm like the GOP? Shit, that's the opposite of the GOP. Your willfull cognitive dissonance is at least similar to the insane cognitive dissonance MAGA's latch onto at times. I'm not saying you are as bad as MAGA overall, but you do share that trait with them.

Yep Bernie bro.

 

[MrSquished]

Yep Bernie bro.

Amazing response to various points I made. You are a lost cause. It's sad to see but not unexpected. There are morons in the Democratic ranks for sure.

'I'm a Bernie bro' lol

I was the farthest thing from a Bernie Bro in 2016 and voted for Hilary and supported her from the moment she was the candidate through the general. But when you are a mini-cultist, you must resort to ignoring the substance of a statement, and just saying random three word nonsensical statements. Keep going. Keep proving me right.

 

[Pens1566]

I got to say the cognitive dissonance with the mini Biden cultists is bonkers. You remind me of trumpers.

Yeah sure this is one bad debate performance. What fucking reality do you live in brother? The guy has looked like shit in The very few times he's been allowed to not be doing scripted things.

He looks like a doddering fool that couldn't debate his way out of a paper bag. There's a decent chance he won't even make it to the election let alone last maybe a year into his presidency. Definitely not if he doesn't take enough naps

Again, I ask how any of that histrionic screed has anything to do with his actual performance in the job??? Trump looks/acts like shit every time you hear anything from him. But the one time in recent outings (SOTU, D-day, G7, etc) that Biden lives up to the old "he's old" narrative (news flash, Trump is almost as old and almost certainly less healthy) we should just jump right on board with some super risky, never before attempted late breaking party nomination fight.

 

[UNCjigga]

It's funny, how every foible of Biden gets played up and yet Trump's absolutely insane shit is no big deal, not even worth reporting on. Just wondering if you understand you're kind of doing the GOP's work for them at this point? This is what Democrats do, have childish fights instead of focusing on the real enemy. Congrats you've become the 2024 version of a Bernie Bro.

I think it’s because Trump’s insane shit is old news. It’s a known factor. The media is done covering it because it isnt even generating clicks or eyeballs anymore. His cult base could watch him walking down Fifth Avenue buck naked while shooting at pedestrians in crosswalks and they’ll still vote for him. Dems know he’s an existential threat, but they’ll still whine about Biden’s electability because that’s all they can do.

Granted, this polling data is really, really bad. Like BAAAAAD. But, polls aren’t all that useful.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1808204695548448807

 

[Brainonska511]

I think saying Trump's insane shit is no big deal is nonsense, as a shitload of people are turned off by his insanity and his own mental incompetence, which was on full display on Thursday, along with Biden's mental incompetence. I have never downplayed Trump's foibles, and you are talking to me here. Another nutty thing you believe. And yes, I have never disagreed that the media is biased, I rail against them all the time.

And which stories have seen endless OpEds and news stories, and which ones are being given mere footnotes of time?

The media is driving a horse race narrative that will drive us all over a fascist cliff because the taste makers can't keep their eyes on the ball. Most people aren't politically online - they get their opinions from social media and regular media. So they see the focus on one thing, but not the other and voila, here we are.

 

[Pens1566]

I don’t think that we’re Biden cultists—just that at this stage of the game there doesn’t seem to be much of a change in path to victory with either Biden or Harris, and I have no idea how another nominee gets on the ballot given the GOP fuckery that’s already afoot in certain states. Fuck the polls—incumbency counts for quite a lot when you get to Election Day.

We have no illusions of Biden being like the “best president EVAR” or anything like that—just that we’d vote for any vegetable with a D next to it over Trump.

The key to victory is Dem turnout and convincing enough bozos to vote Biden vs. RFK. Convince me with sound arguments that D turnout overall improves with Harris, and I’d get onboard with Biden stepping down.

This is the correct answer. Most Biden voters would vote for a sentient load of whatever is in Trump's diaper over Trump.

 

[brycejones]

Amazing response to various points I made. You are a lost cause. It's sad to see but not unexpected. There are morons in the Democratic ranks for sure.

'I'm a Bernie bro' lol

I was the farthest thing from a Bernie Bro in 2016 and voted for Hilary and supported her from the moment she was the candidate through the general. But when you are a mini-cultist, you must resort to ignoring the substance of a statement, and just saying random three word nonsensical statements. Keep going. Keep proving me right.

Your ranting keeps proving my point.

 

[gothuevos]

The "replace Biden with Harris" folks could turn out to be the '24 version of the '16 "Bernie bros".

Very possible.

Unfortunately we have been forced into this situation now.

All I know is that Biden's floor will only continue to fall.

Believe in polls or not, or maybe this is an internal leak to put pressure on him to step down, but it doesn't look good. More states in play for Trump?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1808202194468196599

 

[nakedfrog]

In a world of uncertainty, one thing I still hold to be true is "ignore whatever gothuevos says".

 

[Brainonska511]

In a world of uncertainty, one thing I still hold to be true is "ignore whatever gothuevos says".

Yep. Also, untested candidates on the national stage (Newsom, Whitmer) outperforming in polls is bullshit stuff. It's just people projecting their dreams into a potential candidate without knowing any of their real positions or skeletons they may have in their closets. The media attention at the state level pales in comparison to the national spotlight.

 

[gothuevos]

Re: Harris, two major pitfalls.

1). The right will attack her as the "DEI president," she failed at the border, she's cringey, etc. No doubt they would attack any new candidate, but this will get exceptionally ugly very fast. Can she weather it or even strike back? She had very dysmal debate performances back during the 2020 primaries.

2). How many Dem voters are you going to permanently alienate by "anointing" her without the consent of the voters? Would be an issue with any new candidate, obviously.

Lastly, the right will absolutely pounce on this to claim that the Dem party has been gaslighting the public for the past few years, they're not trustworthy, etc. The optics are not good.

I'm really not sure what the best path forward is. But I don't see Biden bouncing back and if other states are being put in play, you need to react especially if there might be a down ballot effect.

 

[nakedfrog]

I'm really not sure what the best path forward is. But I don't see Biden bouncing back and if other states are being put in play, you need to react especially if there might be a down ballot effect.

Who could believe that the one who's been forecasting Biden's inevitable doom for I-don't-even-know-how-long doesn't see Biden bouncing back? This turn of events is wildly and totally precedented.