OCUK: 290X "Slightly faster than GTX 780"

[Teizo]

TDP doesn't matter when you have no idea what it actually is for a card, that's the argument. Not that efficiency doesn't matter.

This is why paper launches suck. Gives people too much time to run their mouths/slander...

AMD has already said the new set of gpu's are going to be more efficient. I have no reason to doubt them. And yeah, efficiency does matter...but there is no need for people to make a mountain out of a mole hill unless there is a huge discrepancy (unless they have some ulterior motive to try sway people one way or another)

 

[Saylick]

It's interesting to see people supporting 'AMD' cards use the 'TDP doesn't matter' argument after giving Nvidia heck over the 480 back in the day.

Either efficiency matters or it doesn't.

Truth be told, from what many reviews concluded, the 480 was indeed running hot and was a power hog.

As for the 7970, although it's advertised TDP may suggest otherwise, a good amount of reviews concluded that the 7970's power consumption was more or less in-line with the 780's.

In either case, it would be wise to stick with what reviewers are reporting for power consumption instead of going by an advertised TDP.

 

[Teizo]

Truth be told, from what many reviews concluded, the 480 was indeed running hot and was a power hog.

As for the 7970, although it's advertised TDP may suggest otherwise, a good amount of reviews concluded that the 7970's power consumption was more or less in-line with the 780's.

In either case, it would be wise to stick with what reviewers are reporting for power consumption instead of going by an advertised TDP.

True. Marketing teams always want their products shown in the best light. There is usually truth to what they say...it's just the spin factor that good reviewers have to validate/translate.

 

[Cloudfire777]

That is a sexy looking card. Hard to tell by the angles but it does look like the card is less than 2 slots thick at least at the shroud. Maybe 1.5 slot?

Yeah its a pretty slick looking card for sure.
Gotta make the rebrands interesting you know. ^_^

 

[Tempered81]

Yeah its a pretty slick looking card for sure.
Gotta make the rebrands interesting you know. ^_^

you amd bro?

 

[ozzy702]

you amd bro?

Seems to be trolling the AMD threads with a vengeance.

Really hoping that the 290X overclocks like a champ, gives me a worthwhile upgrade to my 7970 and gives NVIDIA a run for their money. Competition is good for the consumer, I don't know why people have blind brand loyalty instead of looking at products objectively. For being on the same node the 290X sounds like it's going to be a great product. I'll hop on it once aftermarket cards are under $450 or so.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Seems to be trolling the AMD threads with a vengeance.

Really hoping that the 290X overclocks like a champ, gives me a worthwhile upgrade to my 7970 and gives NVIDIA a run for their money. Competition is good for the consumer, I don't know why people have blind brand loyalty instead of looking at products objectively. For being on the same node the 290X sounds like it's going to be a great product. I'll hop on it once aftermarket cards are under $450 or so.

Im looking at brands objectively.
I know rebrands have happend a thousands times before, and I quote various websites saying that 280X will be rebrand. A moderator/admin from OCUK also said it will be a rebrand.

Its more like people refusing to believe that, because they wish and hope its untrue, that look at it subjectively

 

[Rvenger]

Im looking at brands objectively.
I know rebrands have happend a thousands times before, and I quote various websites saying that 280X will be rebrand. A moderator/admin from OCUK also said it will be a rebrand.

Its more like people refusing to believe that, because they wish and hope its untrue, that look at it subjectively

You came back here trolling on the Titan launch too. You have no objectivity. You come complaining about an unreleased cards TDP being 300w without any solid proof. Sometimes I can get a bug up my rear and bash a company but I do give credit where credit is due. Please don't make me quote your old threads because they speak for themselves.

 

[yacoub]

Really disappointed that they 270 would be a cut-down 7950. There's no excuse for REDUCING the VRAM. That's just dumb. And if they cut the bus width as well, that's just insult to injury.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Really disappointed that they 270 would be a cut-down 7950. There's no excuse for REDUCING the VRAM. That's just dumb. And if they cut the bus width as well, that's just insult to injury.

It likely dramatically increases it's efficiency.

 

[el etro]

I sense trolling on amd topics too here. Much arguments, but much AMD bashing here.

 

[RussianSensation]

It's interesting to see people supporting 'AMD' cards use the 'TDP doesn't matter' argument after giving Nvidia heck over the 480 back in the day.

Either efficiency matters or it doesn't.

I cannot believe you even brought this up. You realize that the gap in power usage between 5870 and GTX480 was gargantuan? 144W vs. 257W for say an 18% difference in performance at stock. How are you even using this as an example unless you think R9 290X and 780 will have a difference in power usage of 78%?

And BTW I bought 470s and overclocked the hell out of them anyway despite them using way more power than 5850s. It's not that people don't care about power consumption but it's context that matters. 30-40W hasn't killed anyone when spending $600 on a GPU. Again, the very idea that R9 290X will use 30-40W is also completely made up at this point. I just used it as an example for hypothetical reasons and then showed clearly that your motherboard choice alone can negate that. So what now we are going to list every person's rig on this forum and start adding up total power usage?

Really disappointed that they 270 would be a cut-down 7950. There's no excuse for REDUCING the VRAM. That's just dumb. And if they cut the bus width as well, that's just insult to injury.

What's the price of 270 though? What about 270X and 280? One of those could come in at $199-249 and end up with a Tahiti Pro chip. Keep in mind when HD6870 came out, prices of 5850 and 5870 were lower. When older generation is cleared out, you can have some very good bargains. When 4890 came out, it also cost about 50% more than 4870 for a small performance bump.

 

[tviceman]

I'd like to know what AMD's margins are on Tahiti after these price cuts. I know wafer prices have come down since Tahiti was first released, but holy crap so has the price of Tahiti-based cards.

 

[geokilla]

Nevermind

 

[YBS1]

I'd like to know what AMD's margins are on Tahiti after these price cuts. I know wafer prices have come down since Tahiti was first released, but holy crap so has the price of Tahiti-based cards.

No kidding, there are some deals to be had. Even being weary of Crossfire I'm considering jumping on that 7990 deal for a mini-itx 4770K system I'm planning on putting in my M1 NCase whenever it arrives. Power supply constraints are making me hesitant though, I think 550 watts is about as high as they currently go in that form factor. That would be cutting it razor thin with OC'ing both I would think.

 

[raghu78]

I'd like to know what AMD's margins are on Tahiti after these price cuts. I know wafer prices have come down since Tahiti was first released, but holy crap so has the price of Tahiti-based cards.

R9 280 series and R9 270 series are tweaks of exisitng ASICs. so we don't know actual die size. But still I am going by die size numbers from Tahiti/Pitcairn. AMD's margins on Tahiti (352 or 365 sq mm) based R9 280X and R9 280 will be decent but not very good. But their margins on R9 270X which is a 212 sq mm die at USD 200 should be good on a very mature 28nm process. same for Hawaii which is 438 sq mm and will most likely sell for USD 450 - USD 600.

 

[el etro]

I'd like to know what AMD's margins are on Tahiti after these price cuts. I know wafer prices have come down since Tahiti was first released, but holy crap so has the price of Tahiti-based cards.

Yeah, we come from the most expensive VGA generation ending in the most affordable GPU generation($200 for 7950 Boost is awesome).

 

[RussianSensation]

Xbitlabs reports that NV may be looking to react with price cuts in November. Hopefully, this rumour is true. 770 could use a $50-75 (2-4GB) price drop, same for 4GB 760, and $50 price drop for 780 would be a nice bonus.

 

[TidusZ]

so when do we get actual benchmarks and reviews

 

[raghu78]

so when do we get actual benchmarks and reviews

Oct 15th. 12 am EST.

http://videocardz.com/46186/amd-radeon-r9-290x-officially-released-october-15th

 

[raghu78]

Xbitlabs reports that NV may be looking to react with price cuts in November. Hopefully, this rumour is true. 770 could use a $50-75 (2-4GB) price drop, same for 4GB 760, and $50 price drop for 780 would be a nice bonus.

this was expected. Nvidia is trying to delay the price cuts as much as possible and maximize their profits for their financial quarter which ends on Oct 31st. Once R9 290 releases the GTX 770 needs a price cut to around USD 300 - 350 depending on R9 280X performance. we can expect the GTX 780 also to come to USD 500 - 550 depending on R9 290X pricing. so you see Nvidia is not above competition. :thumbsup:

 

[Arachnotronic]

Give AMD a break...given the shoestring budget they have to develop this stuff, it's a surprise it's competitive with Kepler at all.

 

[SiliconWars]

It's not really a surprise, AMD has far superior engineers. Nvidia was lagging in perf/W and perf/mm2 for years until Kepler, which only helped them close the gap due to them castrating compute and Tahiti being underwhelming. With Hawaii we'll be back to AMD leading easily in perf/mm2 and slightly in perf/W. With the same 551mm2 die it would be a massacre in both.

 

[sontin]

Give AMD a break...given the shoestring budget they have to develop this stuff, it's a surprise it's competitive with Kepler at all.

After one year. GK110 is produced since july 2012.

 

[3DVagabond]

Im looking at brands objectively.
I know rebrands have happend a thousands times before, and I quote various websites saying that 280X will be rebrand. A moderator/admin from OCUK also said it will be a rebrand.

Its more like people refusing to believe that, because they wish and hope its untrue, that look at it subjectively

I missed it. Who said it's not a rebrand? Well, besides Dave Baumann. He could be being completely honest, or he could be using the same parameters as people use for the 770 to say it's not a rebranded 680, change of clocks and updated firmware.