October Surprise #324

[senseamp]

I bet they chose the racist

 

[ShockwaveVT]

webb spoke about this subject on the radio this morning
transcript @
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp...itics/archive/200610/POL20061027c.html

typical attempt by GOP/Drudge to spin something into a big scandal when its really not...

 

[senseamp]

Keep in mind CNS news is a rightwing shill like Talon News was.

 

[Pens1566]

It's fiction

/thread

 

[XMan]

I'm a conservative, and I was stunned by this.

Allen is really reaching here, IMO.

Unless I'm wrong the scenes in question are stuff done by the "bad guys" (Webb is a Clancy-esque author if I remember correctly . . . ) so what's the big deal?

This is kind of like saying Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't fit for office because he played a character that killed dozens of cops . . . really, really dumb.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
It's fiction

/thread

I love how quick you are to call for a thread to be locked if you don't agree with it, or shout 'ban' if someone posts something you don't like.

Why are you so afraid of what people on here may say?

 

[MrYogi]

It is fiction and do not forget that McCain endorsed the book "Lost Soldiers"

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Er, what does fiction writing have to do with ability to serve as Senator?

Margaret Truman as a possible exception (she's a daughter of a politician, not a politician) I've found it to be a universal truth that politicians make horrible novelists.

I agree with PJ though-what a silly basis for an attack.

 

[senseamp]

This dog won't hunt. You heard it here first.

 

[OrByte]

crap this stuff is getting too wierd.

 

[JD50]

This is retarded, it was a fiction novel, big freaking deal. These negative ads are getting old.

 

[senseamp]

It's not going to work because now Webb can go on any TV show he wants and get millions of dollars worth of free air time to not only respond but to play victim and attack his opponent.
The damage from this is not enough to offset that free publicity.

 

[fire400]

those passages from the writer... good hell, he's got issues, man.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: fire400
those passages from the writer... good hell, he's got issues, man.

If that where true so must Caroline Graham, Elizabeth George, etc. etc. etc..

And don't forget certain passages in the Bible.

 

[PELarson]

Response fromn Jim Webb's campaign.

Very good response.

Source via DailyKos.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: senseamp
It's not going to work because now Webb can go on any TV show he wants and get millions of dollars worth of free air time to not only respond but to play victim and attack his opponent.
The damage from this is not enough to offset that free publicity.

i haven't seen him taking advantage of it yet, with the exception of the wash post interview. he needs to get out there, and fast.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: fire400
those passages from the writer... good hell, he's got issues, man.

funny, he actually oBSERVED that sick sh*t when he went to vietnam. Webb actually fought over there, while Allen dodged the draft.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: PELarson
Response fromn Jim Webb's campaign.

Very good response.

I liked the part about how Webb has served and Allen didn't...it highlights the biggest weakness of the Republicans on national security issues (a bunch of armchair generals who have never occupied anything bigger than an office or shot off anything more dangerous than their mouth) and does so before the Republicans managed to take any shots at Webb's service. John Kerry's service in Vietnam vs Bush's barely "serving" stateside in the national guard was a BIG weakness for Bush before the VERY cleverly done attacks by the Republicans and their Swift Boat allies, and it's something that the Dems really need to take better advantage of. Of course the problem there is that Dems who served seem reluctant to wave it around like a stick to hit their opponents with, the mark of people who really understand what service to their country means.

 

[PELarson]

A group that likes at least one of Webb's "controversial" books.

 

[heartsurgeon]

Er, what does fiction writing have to do with ability to serve as Senator?

Writing fictional material about pedophilia and incest, not to mention misogynistic prose, will certainly make some people pause and reflect on what kind of person would write that stuff.

It's gross, it's disgusting, it's not illegal, but it certainly will turn some voters off..

personally, i think the guy should seek some councilling (if he hasn't already)

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

Er, what does fiction writing have to do with ability to serve as Senator?

Writing fictional material about pedophilia and incest, not to mention misogynistic prose, will certainly make some people pause and reflect on what kind of person would write that stuff.

It's gross, it's disgusting, it's not illegal, but it certainly will turn some voters off..

personally, i think the guy should seek some councilling (if he hasn't already)

So, anything you observe and later write about indicates that you are mentally ill?

This is yet another attempt at smear, anybody who takes it as anything but is just not thinking rationally.

 

[senseamp]

Wow, I am reading that Jim Webb has been awarded a Marine Force Navy Cross medal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Cross

Awarded for Extreme gallantry and risk of life in actual combat with an armed enemy force.
To earn a Navy Cross the act to be commended must be performed in the presence of great danger or at great personal risk and must be performed in such a manner as to render the individual highly conspicuous among others of equal grade, rate, experience, or position of responsibility. An accumulation of minor acts of heroism does not justify an award of the Navy Cross.

And he was secretary of the Navy under Ronald Reagan.
I think that's the type of experience we need in the Senate so that people voting on wars actually know what they hell they are voting for.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Wow, I am reading that Jim Webb has been awarded a Marine Force Navy Cross medal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Cross

Awarded for Extreme gallantry and risk of life in actual combat with an armed enemy force.
To earn a Navy Cross the act to be commended must be performed in the presence of great danger or at great personal risk and must be performed in such a manner as to render the individual highly conspicuous among others of equal grade, rate, experience, or position of responsibility. An accumulation of minor acts of heroism does not justify an award of the Navy Cross.

And he was secretary of the Navy under Ronald Reagan.
I think that's the type of experience we need in the Senate so that people voting on wars actually know what they hell they are voting for.

No, we need to fill it with chickenhawk armchair generals who have no idea about war and only blindly follow a President who has no idea either.

 

[senseamp]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Webb
This is a great American hero, by all accounts a great American writer, with great history of both military and public service, and he has a son serving in Iraq.
We need a guy like him in the Senate now more than ever.

 

[senseamp]

Apparently George Allen has multiple arrest records from the 70s that he doesn't want to release.