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ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
No, we need to fill it with chickenhawk armchair generals who have no idea about war and only blindly follow a President who has no idea either.
Like the Vice President who was former Secretary of Defense
the current Secretary of Defense who was Secretary of Defense once before
the former Secretary of State who was once Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

Looks like we had a lot of people with a LOT of experience in defense type positions so much for amrchair generals.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: senseamp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Webb
This is a great American hero, by all accounts a great American writer, with great history of both military and public service, and he has a son serving in Iraq.
We need a guy like him in the Senate now more than ever.
Are you aware of his views on women in comment? Or the comments he made about the issue that got him kicked out of his teaching position at the Navy Academy?
Excerpts from "Women Can't Fight," by James Webb, in the November 1979 issue of the Washingtonian magazine:Link
But no benefit to anyone can come from women serving in combat.

There is a place for women in our military, but not in combat. And their presence at institutions dedicated to the preparation of men for combat command is poisoning that preparation. By attempting to sexually sterilize the Naval Academy environment in the name of equality, this country has sterilized the whole process of combat leadership training, and our military forces are doomed to suffer the consequences.

Man is more naturally violent than woman. Four times as many men are involved in homicides as women. You might not pick this up in K Street law offices or in the halls of Congress, but once you enter the areas of this country where more typical Americans dwell, the areas that provide the men who make up our combat units, it becomes obvious. . . .

And I have never met a woman . . . whom I would trust to provide those men with combat leadership.

Furthermore, men fight better without women around. Men treat women differently than they do men, and vice versa.
Imagine a Republican saying the above? Where are the feminists? I wonder what Hillary would say about the combat leadership role? Does this mean he does not think a woman can be commander in chief?
 

Aisengard

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Funny thing about that Prof is it was in 1979. Or would you like it if people saw that Bush was snorting lines and drinking more than his body weight, and applied it to today?

Try to find something more current, and thus more relevant please.
 

senseamp

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: senseamp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Webb
This is a great American hero, by all accounts a great American writer, with great history of both military and public service, and he has a son serving in Iraq.
We need a guy like him in the Senate now more than ever.
Are you aware of his views on women in comment? Or the comments he made about the issue that got him kicked out of his teaching position at the Navy Academy?
Excerpts from "Women Can't Fight," by James Webb, in the November 1979 issue of the Washingtonian magazine:Link
But no benefit to anyone can come from women serving in combat.

There is a place for women in our military, but not in combat. And their presence at institutions dedicated to the preparation of men for combat command is poisoning that preparation. By attempting to sexually sterilize the Naval Academy environment in the name of equality, this country has sterilized the whole process of combat leadership training, and our military forces are doomed to suffer the consequences.

Man is more naturally violent than woman. Four times as many men are involved in homicides as women. You might not pick this up in K Street law offices or in the halls of Congress, but once you enter the areas of this country where more typical Americans dwell, the areas that provide the men who make up our combat units, it becomes obvious. . . .

And I have never met a woman . . . whom I would trust to provide those men with combat leadership.

Furthermore, men fight better without women around. Men treat women differently than they do men, and vice versa.
Imagine a Republican saying the above?

Imagine? Wasn't Jim Webb a Republican when he said those things?
Are you denying that women are different from men? If you had an equally qualified man and woman to take into combat with you, who would you take?
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Aisengard
Funny thing about that Prof is it was in 1979. Or would you like it if people saw that Bush was snorting lines and drinking more than his body weight, and applied it to today?

Try to find something more current, and thus more relevant please.
There is actually a web site called "webb against women" and it lists a lot of similar quotes by him that come from more recent dates. Link
"Jimmy Carter wanted to be remembered as the guy who gave equal access to women in all areas," Webb says, "and the Carter administration had intimidated people inside this building (the Pentagon), military leaders, the joint chiefs of staff, to supporting the idea. But it was a bad idea." (Washington Post, 12/8/85)
"It is not acceptable, and indeed it is harmful, when the political process decides to use the military as a controlled laboratory for social experimentation, when it intrudes into command prerogatives, and when it decides, as was done recently after the Tailhook debacle, that it has either the authority or the expertise to take apart the results of lower-level promotion boards and voice political judgment in otherwise military matters,'' Webb said. (Virginian-Pilot & Ledger Star (Norfolk Va.), 7/13/96)
He has a history of making comments like this about women in the services and in combat.

Now go a head and call me a hack or suggest that I am a paid poster, I am just providing the facts as they are out there. You decide for yourself what you think. I would not vote for Webb anyway, so none of this matters to me.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
No, we need to fill it with chickenhawk armchair generals who have no idea about war and only blindly follow a President who has no idea either.
Like the Vice President who was former Secretary of Defense
the current Secretary of Defense who was Secretary of Defense once before
the former Secretary of State who was once Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

Looks like we had a lot of people with a LOT of experience in defense type positions so much for amrchair generals.

Gee, maybe they should have paid more attention to things the experts said when they were in those jobs. Hell, they should have listened to THEMSELVES when they were in those jobs. Cheney and Rummy had perfectly reasonable approaches to foreign policy and national defense when they were Secretaries of Defense, and those positions are totally different than what you see today.

And Powell doesn't exactly make your case, he was one of the few who DIDN'T blindly follow the President...but funny thing is, I don't see him around any more, do you?
 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
No, we need to fill it with chickenhawk armchair generals who have no idea about war and only blindly follow a President who has no idea either.
Like the Vice President who was former Secretary of Defense
the current Secretary of Defense who was Secretary of Defense once before
the former Secretary of State who was once Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

Looks like we had a lot of people with a LOT of experience in defense type positions so much for amrchair generals.

One of these things is not like the other ....... can you figure it out, or do we need to draw you a picture?????
 

senseamp

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Let's remember that Ronald Reagan picked him to be Secretary of the Navy AFTER he said and wrote those things. So if you question Jim Webb, you are also questioning Reagan's judgement.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
No, we need to fill it with chickenhawk armchair generals who have no idea about war and only blindly follow a President who has no idea either.
Like the Vice President who was former Secretary of Defense
the current Secretary of Defense who was Secretary of Defense once before
the former Secretary of State who was once Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

Looks like we had a lot of people with a LOT of experience in defense type positions so much for amrchair generals.

Funny, with all of that experience in the seat of power directing pawns, not one minute was spent in combat being a pawn. It introduces a whole different perspective.