Occupy Protests???

[Ausm]

I know, I know, you won't believe them since only liberal sources are considered fact, but several companies have specifically stated that's the reason for the increases.

Once factual data is produced then I would believe it...right now I consider that claim as factual as Big Business sitting on trillions due to "uncertainty".

 

[Ausm]

I think the basic message is to end corruption/lobbyist etc in our govenment as well as the power a corporation can have over our government. Corporations are not people.

I wish the Right Wing contingency of the Supreme Court would believe this....

 

[slag]

Really want to hear something to scare the heebie geebies out of ya, and just possibly scare you into joining in with the protesters? Healthcare costs!
Welmark aka Blue Cross Blue Shield announced they are "raising" average premium's cost for 2012. If you now pay, say $350 a month for a family plan, guess what...? $960 starting in 2012. That is nine hundred and sixty dollars EACH MONTH as of 2012.
What were you planning to do with $610 a month starting in 2012? How bout paying that into your health plan? That is $610 beyond your current monthly premium.

BTW... The next bus heading down to the protests departs in about 30 minutes.

I'm not sure where you get your numbers or facts, but wellmark is raising plan prices 9.35% which is about $47 a month. When doctors and hospitals go to the insurance companies and say they are raising their prices for services they charge, it all trickles down hill. Health insurance companies are in constant negotiations with hospitals, doctors, clinics, etc, trying to get them to lower their costs. It just isn't happening.

 

[Macamus Prime]

This is so typical of some you awful pieces of trash; you scream and yell about how protests in other parts of the world are "savage" and chaotic - which justifies harming the protesters.

Now, we have a good solid month of protests, with no death and destruction - and you still complain.

Ah-murica this, and Ah-murica that. Yet, when it comes to a specific group of people voicing themselves you don't want to hear it. They are peaceful for the most part. There are no destruction or riots. However, you want them harmed and silenced because of what they are saying.

Do you hate the message so fucking much? Well, no one is forcing you to read these threads nor watch the news. And, unless you live in the area of protest, you have no justification to express disgust and hate.

Personally, I do think they are idiots, because the could use all that time and effort to actually make a difference. However, they have the right to act this way. And, since they aren't throwing moltov cocktails, killing store owners and causing general havok - some of you need to shut the fuck up about what they are doing.

 

[palehorse]

Of course you have no evidence that this is related to the health care bill, but it's not like you actually like facts. (reality having a well known liberal bias after all)

This isn't a murder case, so expecting or requiring a smoking gun to discern that A+B=C is fairly ridiculous, isn't it?

The fact of the matter is that the healthcare Bill -- by every supporter's account -- was supposed to lower healthcare costs for the consumer; when, in fact, it's quite obvious that the opposite is happening and that the costs for consumers (AND their employers) are going to skyrocket over the next few years.

At this point, there's really no denying or justifying that fact... I think that it's time you finally admit that their plan has always been to cause the private healthcare industry to collapse, thus allowing the government to step in and control it completely. Seriously, just admit it...

 

[Ausm]

This isn't a murder case, so expecting or requiring a smoking gun to discern that A+B=C is fairly ridiculous, isn't it?

The fact of the matter is that the healthcare Bill -- by every supporter's account -- was supposed to lower healthcare costs for the consumer; when, in fact, it's quite obvious that the opposite is happening and that the costs for consumers (AND their employers) are going to skyrocket over the next few years.

At this point, there's really no denying or justifying that fact... I think that it's time you finally admit that their plan has always been to cause the private healthcare industry to collapse, thus allowing the government to step in and control it completely. Seriously, just admit it...

It's funny how the Healthcare costs are sky rocketing due to The Affordable Healthcare Act especially when most of the major components have yet to go into effect until 2012 on plus anyone who thinks the overall impact either good or bad will happen instantaneously is an idiot.

http://www.healthreformimpacts.com/...0_ChamberHealthCareImplementationTimeline.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

 

[Ausm]

This is so typical of some you awful pieces of trash; you scream and yell about how protests in other parts of the world are "savage" and chaotic - which justifies harming the protesters.

Now, we have a good solid month of protests, with no death and destruction - and you still complain.

Ah-murica this, and Ah-murica that. Yet, when it comes to a specific group of people voicing themselves you don't want to hear it. They are peaceful for the most part. There are no destruction or riots. However, you want them harmed and silenced because of what they are saying.

Do you hate the message so fucking much? Well, no one is forcing you to read these threads nor watch the news. And, unless you live in the area of protest, you have no justification to express disgust and hate.

Personally, I do think they are idiots, because the could use all that time and effort to actually make a difference. However, they have the right to act this way. And, since they aren't throwing moltov cocktails, killing store owners and causing general havok - some of you need to shut the fuck up about what they are doing.

Some people on this forum would complain if they were hung with a new rope

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

I think people have just reached the saturation point, about so many things. But it all seems to have one thing in common: big business and the very wealthy own congress. Congress pretends to serve us the citizens, but their actions say otherwise. The laws have been re-written for the benefit of big business and the very wealthy. The illusion that one political party is the good guys and one political party is the bad guys is just a drama to keep you distracted.

But it's not enough: they want more.

so wouldn't all this be resolved if govt would have a smaller role?
if congress and business aren't in cahoots with each other, then they can't grant them any favors.

 

[Kadarin]

Well, rightwingers on this forum who only read foxnews.com won't be informed about this either, as the only mention (at the time of this post) of "Occupy" on their front page is for an entertainment story about the next Batman movie.

 

[PokerGuy]

It's funny how the Healthcare costs are sky rocketing due to The Affordable Healthcare Act especially when most of the major components have yet to go into effect until 2012 on plus anyone who thinks the overall impact either good or bad will happen instantaneously is an idiot.

You think business decisions and budgeting are done based solely on the current state? Budgeting and planning are done based on projections and forecasts, and everyone with a brain is projecting and forecasting skyrocketing cost increases resulting from obummercare. Some of them have specifically said it, others have just hinted at it. You can stick your head in the sand and pretend it's not real, but the skyrocketing prices prove otherwise.

 

[PokerGuy]

Well, rightwingers on this forum who only read foxnews.com won't be informed about this either, as the only mention (at the time of this post) of "Occupy" on their front page is for an entertainment story about the next Batman movie.

Why give any more coverage to those losers?

 

[PokerGuy]

Once factual data is produced then I would believe it...right now I consider that claim as factual as Big Business sitting on trillions due to "uncertainty".

Of course you won't believe it, even though CEO's - including democrat ones who donate to democrat candidates every year - have specifically said so. They're all lying of course

 

[fskimospy]

This isn't a murder case, so expecting or requiring a smoking gun to discern that A+B=C is fairly ridiculous, isn't it?

The fact of the matter is that the healthcare Bill -- by every supporter's account -- was supposed to lower healthcare costs for the consumer; when, in fact, it's quite obvious that the opposite is happening and that the costs for consumers (AND their employers) are going to skyrocket over the next few years.

At this point, there's really no denying or justifying that fact... I think that it's time you finally admit that their plan has always been to cause the private healthcare industry to collapse, thus allowing the government to step in and control it completely. Seriously, just admit it...

Actually what it was supposed to do was lower the rate of health care inflation. Funny thing is that (edit) I can find no mention of the increase that guy wrote about and every news story I see about BCBS has them lowering premiums at a smaller rate next year than in the past few. (I don't believe that is due to the health care bill, btw) I didn't know that if we weren't in a murder case the simple rules of evidence no longer applied. Health care insurers have been very upfront about talking of the source of their costs, and some in the past specifically attempted to blame the health care law for increases. I see no evidence of that in this case though, so as a rational adult I wouldn't assume as much.

I'm sure you believe that Obama has a far reaching conspiracy throughout both his administration and both houses of the legislature to destroy 1/6th of the US economy in order to create a situation where a future president will be able to implement policy more to Obama's liking. I'm also sure that believing such a thing makes you insane.

 

[palehorse]

I'm sure you believe that Obama has a far reaching conspiracy throughout both his administration and both houses of the legislature to destroy 1/6th of the US economy in order to create a situation where a future president will be able to implement policy more to Obama's liking. I'm also sure that believing such a thing makes you insane.

So you do not believe that his ultimate desire (read: goal), and that of his supporters, is a completely government-run healthcare system?

You're blind or you're lying. Which is it?

 

[fskimospy]

So you do not believe that his ultimate desire (read: goal), and that of his supporters, is a completely government-run healthcare system?

You're blind or you're lying. Which is it?

Or you're stupid, you forgot that one.

Even if his goal is eventually a government run system, it does not mean that he intends to bring that about through a nationwide health care collapse. (I can't believe I need to explain this to you) If you believe this to be the case however, you should be pushing for Obama's immediate impeachment, as the collapse of the US health care industry will certainly lead to thousands if not millions of preventable deaths of US citizens he is charged with protecting.

Get on it, soldier! Show us all that honor stuff.

 

[palehorse]

Or you're stupid, you forgot that one.

Even if his goal is eventually a government run system, it does not mean that he intends to bring that about through a nationwide health care collapse. (I can't believe I need to explain this to you) If you believe this to be the case however, you should be pushing for Obama's immediate impeachment, as the collapse of the US health care industry will certainly lead to thousands if not millions of preventable deaths of US citizens he is charged with protecting.

Get on it, soldier! Show us all that honor stuff.

I think it's time you internally reflect upon your own "forest for the trees" cliche...

 

[fskimospy]

I think it's time you internally reflect upon your own "forest for the trees" cliche...

Yeah, I didn't think you had an answer either.

 

[Fern]

Once factual data is produced then I would believe it...right now I consider that claim as factual as Big Business sitting on trillions due to "uncertainty".

Here you go:

Most firms plan to hold onto cash due to great economic uncertainty

"This significant drop in optimism is being driven by a number of deep concerns: continued weak consumer demand, intense price pressure, and uncertainty about government policies and global financial instability," said Kate O'Sullivan, deputy editor at CFO Magazine.

In the past six months, one-third of U.S. companies say they have delayed or canceled previous plans for capital spending, citing U.S. and global economic uncertainty, lack of access to sufficient funding, weak demand and the regulatory environment.

Fifty-seven percent of firms say they will not deploy their cash holdings this year, up from 50 percent nine months ago. CFOs' increased hoarding is based on concerns about credit markets potentially tightening again, extreme economic uncertainty and a lack of attractive investment opportunities.

http://www.fuqua.duke.edu/news_events/releases/cfo-survey-q3-11/#.Tp9SBnKOdPw

Fern

 

[bfdd]

I think people have just reached the saturation point, about so many things. But it all seems to have one thing in common: big business and the very wealthy own congress. Congress pretends to serve us the citizens, but their actions say otherwise. The laws have been re-written for the benefit of big business and the very wealthy. The illusion that one political party is the good guys and one political party is the bad guys is just a drama to keep you distracted.

But it's not enough: they want more.

the thing is, they don't realize they're the tool perpetuating it. the first thing they cried for was for government to fix the issue.... government, the entity which created the issue, they want to fix it. that's like asking cookie monster to keep his hands out of the cookie jar, that's just stupid. we see calls and calls for more and more regulation on big business from certain groups of people, yet all of these regulations are designed to help big business and shit on any competition that may arise. If we take back some of our employment regulations and environmental regulations, we might see small and medium businesses which have the capability to compete and help keep big business honest.NOPE though, gota have government save us.

 

[woolfe9999]

Here you go:



http://www.fuqua.duke.edu/news_events/releases/cfo-survey-q3-11/#.Tp9SBnKOdPw

Fern

That is highly misleading for the purpose to which you are trying to put it. Economic uncertainty doesn't mean uncertainty about taxes and regulations in particular. It means consumer demand, foreign markets, literally anything and everything that affects the economy.

I took a look at the raw data for this survey. You can find it at cfosurvey.org. Can't link it because it comes up as a Word doc for me. It takes a number of different factors and asks CFO's to rate them in order of significance. The report highlights how many CFO's rated each factor in the Top 3.

Consumer demand rates at the top of the "external" concerns that CFO's have. "Policies of the federal government" rank a rather distant second (39% rate it in the "top 3" external concerns.) "Policies of the federal government" is undefined. It could mean the POTUS, Congress, or even a future POTUS/Congress. It could literally be any types of policies, or even a lack of certain policies. It could mean uncertainty about future policies or dislike of existing policies. It could mean anything related to the federal government.

The only "external factors" polled that go directly to the issue of regulations is "financial regulations" which has 12% rating it as in the top 3 external concerns, and "environmental regulations" where 7% rate it in the top 3. Even here, it isn't distinguishing "uncertainty" about regulation from dislike of existing regulation. And bear in mind, "top 3" doesn't mean highest concern, and this is only the list of external concerns. There is a separate list of internal concerns. On the whole, this survey doesn't support your case very well. It suggests more than anything that we need to stimulate consumer demand and doesn't support regulatory uncertainty being a major factor.

Link the "topline tables" here:

http://www.cfosurvey.org/index.htm

- wolf

 

[FancyTurtle]

found this one