Occupy protests set for May 1

[werepossum]

Fortune favors the bold.

Also the attractive, the smart, and the well connected.

 

[Iron Woode]

I believe the correct term for the occupiers is occupidiots.

they marched here (all 60 of them) stating they are showing a "workers-class action" against the man.

The ironing was delicious as the occupidiots don't know what work is.

now they will go back to their mom's basements and friend's places and smoke some pot and blame the problems of the world on Wall Street and the "fat cats".

useful idiots the lot of them.

 

[CitizenKain]

Yep, they don't ask for deplomas when you apply for those jobs, they want to see your bank statement.

Hey, you figured it out.

 

[halik]

Hey, you figured it out.

So rich people get jobs because they're rich. Whatever you guys smoke is clearly working.

 

[Jhhnn]

A job is nothing more than providing value in terms of work/labor, if your skills and labor don't have a market...well, find another line of works.

Work and reward have big correlation. Embrace free market or be doomed to be crushed by it's basic human nature. I learned this lesson long ago, live it learn it, love it or be left behind.

Yeh, that applies today just the same way it did in 1931. Having a job today involves a fair amount of luck, whether you like it or not. We all like to imagine that if we lost our job today that we'd find a better one tomorrow, when that's not necessarily true at all other than in Wingnutlandia.

Middle class & working class people are subject to forces beyond their control, particularly in a system geared to best serve those already at the top of the economic foodchain. Mitt never missed a meal when any of his victim corporate acquisitions went under, but I'm sure more than a few others did. It's not like we could all be predatory hedge fund managers, anyway.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'd laugh but I know you are serious.
If you try really hard you can get all 7 logical fallacies there.

Cite them, relate them to what I offered, don't just allege that they apply.

Oh, wait, you're just using a denial mechanism... a form of simulated rationality.

 

[Ninjahedge]

The main problem with this, or any discussion about the situation, is that detractors will resort to petty insults and name calling rather than addressing the issues and actual shortcomings of the protest movement.

The issues are still prevalent, but the thing that was a problem last year when this started, the lack of a cohesive message, has started to weigh on this. Just like things like the Tea Party, when the specifics start to get addressed, the people see how different they all are.

No matter if one issue is common to all, the roots may be greatly diversified and not easily handled by one seasons legislation, elections, or otherwise.

In light of the OWS fragmentation and lack of leadership, I am curious to see what the Tea Party will come up with in comparison to the last election cycle. Will they have the same problems, or will they have a few leaders (good or not) to keep the sheeple in one herd? (90% of the people are sheeple, no matter what issue they bleat behind. I am not singling out the TP here.)


So, if you can get off your insult wagons, talk about what would need to be done to make the protests effective and what points that are being made that actually bear weight.

There may be more bathwater than baby, but you do not need to put them all out.

 

[spidey07]

Yeh, that applies today just the same way it did in 1931. Having a job today involves a fair amount of luck, whether you like it or not. We all like to imagine that if we lost our job today that we'd find a better one tomorrow, when that's not necessarily true at all other than in Wingnutlandia.

Middle class & working class people are subject to forces beyond their control, particularly in a system geared to best serve those already at the top of the economic foodchain. Mitt never missed a meal when any of his victim corporate acquisitions went under, but I'm sure more than a few others did. It's not like we could all be predatory hedge fund managers, anyway.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. I also find that if I guide my career to places where there is high demand and short supply the luckier I get. But that's not luck then is it? That's work and taking a very active role in my future.

 

[Bowfinger]

Seen over the occutards in NYC on monday. So true, so very true...

That's precious. Two minions of the corrupt status quo laughing at morons. I wonder if the morons they're laughing at are the protestors trying to make America better, or the army of brainwashed apologists they know will obediently flood the media to protect their masters' corruption. I also wonder just how smug these two clowns will be when some greedy executive finally realizes he can hire guys in India to stare out the window for one-tenth the cost.

 

[cybrsage]

There are no OWS protestors trying to make America better, but there sure are moron OWS protestors.

 

[Bowfinger]

There are no OWS protestors trying to make America better, but there sure are moron OWS protestors.

Good boy! Here's your treat. Now...heel.

 

[werepossum]

That's precious. Two minions of the corrupt status quo laughing at morons. I wonder if the morons they're laughing at are the protestors trying to make America better, or the army of brainwashed apologists they know will obediently flood the media to protect their masters' corruption. I also wonder just how smug these two clowns will be when some greedy executive finally realizes he can hire guys in India to stare out the window for one-tenth the cost.

Don't let Spidey get you all riled up. This should be a happy time for you, tomorrow being Karl Marx' birthday AND the launch of Obama's official re-election campaign.

 

[spidey07]

Don't let Spidey get you all riled up. This should be a happy time for you, tomorrow being Karl Marx' birthday AND the launch of Obama's official re-election campaign.

Forward!

 

[Bowfinger]

Don't let Spidey get you all riled up. This should be a happy time for you, tomorrow being Karl Marx' birthday AND the launch of Obama's official re-election campaign.

It's seems so unfair. You and Spidey get to celebrate corruption 365 days per year.

(You should save such bottom-feeding hackery for Spidey. You can be so much better than that ... when you choose to be.)

 

[werepossum]

It's seems so unfair. You and Spidey get to celebrate corruption 365 days per year.

(You should save such bottom-feeding hackery for Spidey. You can be so much better than that ... when you choose to be.)

You can celebrate corruption year 'round too. You have the GSA party scandal, the EPA emulating the Roman practice of "crucifying" a few random entities to scare the rest into submission, the BATFE funneling and even funding arms illegally to drug cartels to make political points on the people those cartels murder with their new toys - lots of government conquests over the private sector to celebrate here.

And seriously - on what planet is

Two minions of the corrupt status quo laughing at morons. I wonder if the morons they're laughing at are the protestors trying to make America better, or the army of brainwashed apologists they know will obediently flood the media to protect their masters' corruption. I also wonder just how smug these two clowns will be when some greedy executive finally realizes he can hire guys in India to stare out the window for one-tenth the cost.

anything more than bottom-feeding hackery? Bullheads living downstream from Tyson sewage pipes were embarrassed by that statement.

 

[Bowfinger]

You can celebrate corruption year 'round too. You have the GSA party scandal, the EPA emulating the Roman practice of "crucifying" a few random entities to scare the rest into submission, the BATFE funneling and even funding arms illegally to drug cartels to make political points on the people those cartels murder with their new toys - lots of government conquests over the private sector to celebrate here.

Ah, but the difference is I don't celebrate that corruption either. I fully support appropriate punishment for those harming America, regardless of whether they are government bureaucrats, Wall Street "banksters", or any others who abuse money and power for personal enrichment.

And seriously - on what planet is

anything more than bottom-feeding hackery? Bullheads living downstream from Tyson sewage pipes were embarrassed by that statement.

It was an appropriate, in-kind response to a snarky photo and the person who posted it.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

I'm a little late but I did see some of the May day protests in NYC in person so I'll add my thoughts. The most surprising thing to me was the dominant presence of public sector union employees demanding more money/benefits. Judging by the signs they made up 60% of attendees. The other 40% was split roughly evenly between what I would consider reasonable anti-wall street types and radical communists/anarchists.

I got the impression that the movement has been completely co-opted by the traditional far left. In the beginning there was some common ground with the Tea Party in opposing cronie capitalism and at least some original thought but both seem to be gone now.

 

[spidey07]

Hannity and occupy organizer. Video and transcript. It really shows the mind of the occupier, how they really think.

HARRISON SCHULTZ, “OCCUPY” PARTICIPANT: We never left. We were just tired. I mean, anarchy isn’t easy. This is a lot of work. We had to hibernate for awhile, but today we are resurging. The energy is really good out in the streets.

The problem here is capitalism. That’s what needs to change. That’s what is failing all of these people. I personally don’t care about this election. I know other people are working on it.

But I am looking at far, far more radical alternatives than political alternatives. I would like to actually see a new form of politics entirely.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I'm a little late but I did see some of the May day protests in NYC in person so I'll add my thoughts. The most surprising thing to me was the dominant presence of public sector union employees demanding more money/benefits. Judging by the signs they made up 60% of attendees. The other 40% was split roughly evenly between what I would consider reasonable anti-wall street types and radical communists/anarchists.

I got the impression that the movement has been completely co-opted by the traditional far left. In the beginning there was some common ground with the Tea Party in opposing cronie capitalism and at least some original thought but both seem to be gone now.

Yeah, most of my friends are liberal, and we've all hated the Occupy movement since late September. It makes all liberals look like anarchist vegan hippie douchebag stoner assholes with absolutely no idea how societies work. These people do not represent me!

 

[Jhhnn]

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. I also find that if I guide my career to places where there is high demand and short supply the luckier I get. But that's not luck then is it? That's work and taking a very active role in my future.

Don't worry, Spidey- there's lots of guys who'll do your job just as well for less- your boss just hasn't found them. He's looking, bet on that. It also seems very likely that there are people who work a lot harder for a lot less.

If you think it's all hard work & no luck you'd probably be interested in Arizona Oceanfront, too. Hell, your ego is so puffed up & fragile that you could probably stand on the lot, claim to smell the ocean... never admitting you'd been had.

 

[Bowfinger]

I'm a little late but I did see some of the May day protests in NYC in person so I'll add my thoughts. The most surprising thing to me was the dominant presence of public sector union employees demanding more money/benefits. Judging by the signs they made up 60% of attendees. ...

That's been the traditional May Day demographic in the U.S. Organized labor has long used May 1 as a day to call attention to their interests. OWS was a newcomer.

 

[spidey07]

Don't worry, Spidey- there's lots of guys who'll do your job just as well for less- your boss just hasn't found them. He's looking, bet on that. It also seems very likely that there are people who work a lot harder for a lot less.

If you think it's all hard work & no luck you'd probably be interested in Arizona Oceanfront, too. Hell, your ego is so puffed up & fragile that you could probably stand on the lot, claim to smell the ocean... never admitting you'd been had.

I don't think you understand supply and demand when it comes to labor. With such high demand and such low supply, there isn't anybody that would do my job for much less. Plus I'm a profit center, I MAKE my company more money.

Same with those ba-ba-ba-banksters. They MAKE the business more money.

 

[Ninjahedge]

The thing is, OL is the only one that has enough ORGANIZATION to have a clear message and attendance at planned events.

Everyone else was studying for finals.

 

[Bowfinger]

I don't think you understand supply and demand when it comes to labor. With such high demand and such low supply, there isn't anybody that would do my job for much less.

You are naive. There's always somebody who can do Job x for less. If you're lucky your bosses are content with the status quo and aren't actively looking to replace you. If you're not, if your bosses' greed is greater than their fondness for you and your peers, it's just a matter of time before you become a statistic too.

Plus I'm a profit center, I MAKE my company more money.

Same with those ba-ba-ba-banksters. They MAKE the business more money.

Again, you're naive (or badly self-deluded). Unless the business is incompetently managed, all employees are profit centers. That's the only reason a competent business ever hires anyone, because they'll make more money with them than without them. (Well, ignoring nepotism or a great rack.)

 

[spidey07]

You are naive. There's always somebody who can do Job x for less. If you're lucky your bosses are content with the status quo and aren't actively looking to replace you. If you're not, if your bosses' greed is greater than their fondness for you and your peers, it's just a matter of time before you become a statistic too.


Again, you're naive (or badly self-deluded). Unless the business is incompetently managed, all employees are profit centers. That's the only reason a competent business ever hires anyone, because they'll make more money with them than without them. (Well, ignoring nepotism or a great rack.)

Employees are generally cost centers and lumped in with SG&A.