Observations about bullying

[LittleNemoNES]

Frankly I find the idea of online bullying to be a farce. If a person is so emotionally fragile that they can be bullied online then they need a good solid punch to the nose to bring them a little perspective.

the thing is that they usually know these people in real life so the anxiety of what will happen off the field is bothersome.

 

[sdifox]

Frankly I find the idea of online bullying to be a farce. If a person is so emotionally fragile that they can be bullied online then they need a good solid punch to the nose to bring them a little perspective.

How is it a farce? The biggest issue with internet is the fact that it allows people to remain distant. This allows the nasty ones to go full tilt. Tag on the mob mentality and throw it all on social media and you got a clusterfuck waiting to happen.

You are saying if your son is being bullied online he deserves a punch to the nose?

Bullying has been happening for a long time and the internet just extends the reach of the bullies.

 

[Wyndru]

It's all they hear about, but I don't know if it really justifies all the suicides you see. I think kids are just over dramatic these days, and see suicide so often. I can't stand that commercial for the mobile phone where the kid seems upset, walks out to the edge of a building sighs, then uploads a song to his phone, smiles and walks away. Like kids don't pick up on the mood they were trying to set in the ad.

It's bullshit. We over broadcast suicide in the media, and make a big deal each time it happens, kids probably think it's a "cool" way to go out.

We live in a sick sad little world.

 

[surfsatwerk]

How is it a farce? The biggest issue with internet is the fact that it allows people to remain distant. This allows the nasty ones to go full tilt. Tag on the mob mentality and throw it all on social media and you got a clusterfuck waiting to happen.

You are saying if your son is being bullied online he deserves a punch to the nose?

The internet can't hurt you. If you are so fortunate to have a bully who spends all their free time online then go outside and play.

When did we stop teaching kids the whole sticks and stones thing?

 

[sdifox]

The internet can't hurt you. If you are so fortunate to have a bully who spends all their free time online then go outside and play.

When did we stop teaching kids the whole sticks and stones thing?

When we stopped taking kids out to play in the real world and talk to them and find out if anything is wrong? It is definitely parental unit failure that these things happen. But you can't say cyber-bullying is fake.

 

[highland145]

If the story facts are correct, some are raising sociopaths.

"They were laughing at the way she looked," Suzana says, crying. "Even though she died."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/08/ohio-school-bullied-teens-dead-hand/?test=latestnews

 

[surfsatwerk]

When we stopped taking kids out to play in the real world and talk to them and find out if anything is wrong? It is definitely parental unit failure that these things happen. But you can't say cyber-bullying is fake.

Farce was a poor choice in words. I do believe that it happens, but I don't understand how kids let it consume their lives to the point where they kill themselves.

 

[highland145]

Farce was a poor choice in words. I do believe that it happens, but I don't understand how kids let it consume their lives to the point where they kill themselves.

Probably because it is their lives just as much as interacting in person.

 

[Number1]

I did get bullied a little bit at school and we were at war with some of our neighbors kids for years until we moved. We would beat each others up until the parent would separate us and we would have peace for a while until they decided to start harassing us again. One day while waiting for the school buss, this kid, same age as me would not stop picking on me so I turned around and punched him square in the face with my fist as hard as I could. I was amazed at the effect. He immediately collapsed on the ground and started crying for his mommy. Unfortunately for me his big sister was with us and she immediately came after me but I was too fast for her. Anyway they left us alone for a while after that.
This gorila warfare went on for years. I lost some fight and he got me a few times trowing rock and hitting me on the head.

I never ever had any thought of suicide over this crap.

But today there are so many tools kids can use to make each other feel miserable it's hard to get away from it.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Probably because it is their lives just as much as interacting in person.

That's a terrible thing. The bullying and suicide all seem to be side effects of this fundamentally wrong thing.

 

[roguerower]

Kids in general are just mean and spiteful, it's just that nowadays there are more ways for them to attack their targets 24/7. The US Military should take lessons from kids on psychological warfare and dirty fighting. When we're smaller, we don't necessarily have the physical prowess to beat the shit out of someone so we drop back to mind-fucking the hell out of them. It just seems like these days kids are more susceptible to it. Why? No idea but I have an inkling that it has something to do with constant exposure to electronics (internet, TV, social networking) and coddling.

 

[JTsyo]

I don't get what you can say to a 10-year-old girl that would make her end her life. In elementary school aren't insults mostly in the form of rhymes?

 

[DingDingDao]

I don't get what you can say to a 10-year-old girl that would make her end her life. In elementary school aren't insults mostly in the form of rhymes?

I'm sure you remember being a kid. Shit that doesn't matter to adults (crap other people say, those popular jeans everyone has but your parents won't buy for you, etc etc) is really, REALLY important to them.

 

[meltdown75]

some kid died in my hometown when some bullies grabbed him by the backpack and hung him up in the bathroom... he couldn't get down and he died that way. somehow his air supply was cut off. sad. what a way to go.

bullying was prevalent when i was a kid. i'm sure it is 10x worse nowadays. kids these days are vicious. i wouldn't want to grow up in today's world. kids are too mean.

 

[kranky]

I think a lot of valid reasons have been mentioned but I think the online aspect is a very big part. Cyberbullying can go on 24/7, where physical bullying can be avoided at times. Physical bullying is typically done by the bigger kids, cyberbullying can be done by anyone regardless of physical attributes. So the number of potential bullies is larger, and their impact is larger.

Don't know if any of you have seen where someone gets mad at their gf, posts nude photos on 4chan, then 4chan works to track down the girl, email the photos to the parents, the school, etc. They can rally an army (not all the time, but sometimes) of people who enjoy making someone's life a living hell.

If a kid finds great self-esteem in online networking, and finds that a sea of people are targeting him/her for abuse, I can see how that would be very difficult to deal with.

 

[Patranus]

Do you think kids are killing themselves over being bullied a lot more these days?

No.
The children who kill themselves have underlying psychological conditions.

Think of it like criminals who get high on drugs and then die when they are tazered.

 

[sdifox]

No.
The children who kill themselves have underlying psychological conditions.

Think of it like criminals who get high on drugs and then die when they are tazered.

Did you even read the article mosh linked to?

Here is another one in the thread highland145 linked to

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/08/ohio-school-bullied-teens-dead-hand/?test=latestnews

 

[Homerboy]

Honestly, I think it is a combination of all the things mentioned in this thread so far; everything from 24x7 bullying, to more reporting of it and its results by the news media etc etc. I think the home environment can range in great degrees too, and both ends of the spectrum having a negative effect on the situation for the kid (either too coddled or not enough openness with the parents). I do think the #1 factor though has to be the 24x7 factor; the range and the degree of the bullying. A lot of these reports explain how the bullying was non-stop, and from multiple people/groups/areas. It's not just one kid roughing up another kid at lunch time for milk money or behind the gym after classes.... its "gangs" of kids relentlessly and continuously piling on the 1 victim.

I feel very very bad for the victims. No kid should be made to feel like this.

 

[Patranus]

Did you even read the article mosh linked to?

Here is another one in the thread highland145 linked to

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/08/ohio-school-bullied-teens-dead-hand/?test=latestnews

What part of

Do you think kids are killing themselves over being bullied a lot more these days?

did you not understand?

I was addressing the issue of children killing themselves. My post did not address deaths as the direct result of bullying.

I understand children die a fluke accidents due to bullying but that wasn't the question at hand.

 

[Homerboy]

No.
The children who kill themselves have underlying psychological conditions.

Think of it like criminals who get high on drugs and then die when they are tazered.

1st that's a fairly broad and generally sweeping statement to say don't you think?

2nd, do ya think maybe...just MAYBE some of those with psychological conditions may just be brought on and/or triggered by the bullying itself?

 

[gimmewhitecastles]

Kids are just inherently mean. it's been prevalent for ages. It was portrayed pretty well in 'Lord of the Flies'.

But I would have to put an onus on the parents to train these kids for a harsh reality. It's today's sheltered mentality that are blindsiding these kids and aren't prepared to deal with it. That and the parents need to play an active role in actual "parenting". Parents these days rely too much on schools and tv programs to raise their kids so they never develop good communication with each other. But the way society is geared toward achieving the "American Dream", it's no surprise that parenting takes a back seat to financial prosperity in a lot of cases.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

its a recession, you are forgetting the fact suicides are up across the board.

 

[Homerboy]

it only follows if you allow it to follow... get off the internet?

So when your only recourse is to cut yourself off from a good portion of your peers, enjoying what they enjoy, "hanging out" with them online and being a kid (lets face it being online is a major part of being a kid nowadays), THAT is a solution? Isolation? C'mon Mosh. You know better.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Bullying would die out if chicks stopped being attracted to bullies. All the bullies from my school have hot girlfriends/wives now. Even the ones who turned out to be real losers who blow every dollar they make on drugs and alcohol manage to grab a steady procession of decent looking, if a bit trashy, girls. It really does make someone like me a bit bitter to think about it.

 

[meltdown75]

Kids are just inherently mean. it's been prevalent for ages. It was portrayed pretty well in 'Lord of the Flies'.

But I would have to put an onus on the parents to train these kids for a harsh reality. It's today's sheltered mentality that are blindsiding these kids and aren't prepared to deal with it. That and the parents need to play an active role in actual "parenting". Parents these days rely too much on schools and tv programs to raise their kids so they never develop good communication with each other. But the way society is geared toward achieving the "American Dream", it's no surprise that parenting takes a back seat to financial prosperity in a lot of cases.

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