Oblivion has gone "softcore" so has its rating

[emilyek]

I can understand what the censors are doing, I guess.

However, modders could do this to any game. If someone made an x-rated mod for 'Elmo's Adventures' or something, would they give it an M rating? Silly.

 

[Markbnj]

Originally posted by: skooma

Originally posted by: Markbnj

Bah, you draw characters from the inside out. Of course the textures will be there.

I have no idea what this means. You might just as profitably have stated: "Hondas are reliable. Of course the moon is round."

ahh... Yeah, ok.... take care now.....

I'm sorry for not being clear enough. Let me be more specific: no, you don't "draw characters from the inside out." That's completely meaningless. The only thing that ever gets rendered to screen are the texture pixels. The model to which the texture is mapped is a mathematical construct. Second, and I'll put this in the form of a question: what does how the character is drawn have to do with whether the textures are an original component of the game binaries, or something that was modded in later? Answer: nothing.

Hopefully that alleviates your confusion over my response.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: Fardringle

Originally posted by: Sonikku
OMG, cg boobies! :Q

I walked into Wal Mart today and discovered that they're no longer selling Oblivion and will turn you down if you ask. Absurd, to be certain. On the 360 version obtaining said boobies is impossible, yet it still got the ax.

The funny thing about this is that Walmart won't sell a game with an undeserved rating and yet on the video aisle 10 feet away, they have multiple "Unrated" and "Uncensored" movies available...

I've always hated that double standard. The exact same thought occurred to me when Best Buy refused to carry the re-rated "AO" version of GTA:SA last year. The section right next the games is loaded with "unrated" and "uncencored" DVDs... which everyone knows is synonymous with "sex" and "nudity". But no one throws a fit about those. Imagine if the game industry tried to do the same thing and release "unrated" versions of games. LOL... congress would be involved again. What a crock of $#&%!

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: Fardringle

Originally posted by: Sonikku
OMG, cg boobies! :Q

I walked into Wal Mart today and discovered that they're no longer selling Oblivion and will turn you down if you ask. Absurd, to be certain. On the 360 version obtaining said boobies is impossible, yet it still got the ax.

The funny thing about this is that Walmart won't sell a game with an undeserved rating and yet on the video aisle 10 feet away, they have multiple "Unrated" and "Uncensored" movies available...

I've always hated that double standard. The exact same thought occurred to me when Best Buy refused to carry the re-rated "AO" version of GTA:SA last year. The section right next the games is loaded with "unrated" and "uncencored" DVDs... which everyone knows is synonymous with "sex" and "nudity". But no one throws a fit about those. Imagine if the game industry tried to do the same thing and release "unrated" versions of games. LOL... congress would be involved again. What a crock of $#&%!

My guess is that this double standard stems from the fact that people who make these decisions are still older than the information age and widespread use of computers in general. In their minds the word "game" = kids, so they are over protective. What they don't realize is that there are millions of 20 somethings (and now even 30 somethings, like myself) that play these games. They do not realize that the internet and gaming has replaced prime time TV for many people. Personally, I DVR two TV shows a week and watch those with my wife. The rest of the time, when others are watching American Idol or some other "reality" crap, I play games, surf the web, or argue with you guys about video cards.

As far as the ratings go, Oblivion is a mature game IMO, and it should be rated how other games that carry similar content. The BS part of this IMO is that they altered the rating because of a third party mod.

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: Markbnj
I'm sorry for not being clear enough. Let me be more specific: no, you don't "draw characters from the inside out." That's completely meaningless. The only thing that ever gets rendered to screen are the texture pixels. The model to which the texture is mapped is a mathematical construct. Second, and I'll put this in the form of a question: what does how the character is drawn have to do with whether the textures are an original component of the game binaries, or something that was modded in later? Answer: nothing.

Hopefully that alleviates your confusion over my response.

Somewhat, thanks. I do see what you're saying. My contention was that the meshes/skins/textures, whatever they are considered at that level, exist because they are meant to have different things attached. Like the bra attaches to the torso. Or the shirt attaches to the torso. Becaus it could be different things, the basic model has to exist somewhere.

Again, I'm no expert and I'm only interpreting what I read.

 

[Markbnj]

Right, the basic model is there, in the .nif files I think (I'm not a NetImmerse initiate), but you can add textures to it through various means that Bethesda has provided. So all I was noting was that the topless textures were apparently in the original game binaries, put there by the artists or developers responsible, and not modded in by third parties.

For whatever it's worth, which is probably very little.

 

[KeepItRed]

Meh, Oblivion gets boring anyway, not surprised it's going softcore.

 

[Markbnj]

I think a lot of people who were disappointed by Oblivion aren't really into RPGs in the classic sense. I even read one review where the guy said, essentially "Sure, it's a big beautiful world, but what am I supposed to do? Go walking around to explore the whole thing? No thanks."

I think if the idea of exploring Oblivion's world is not exciting, then you're really not into RPGs. You just think you are, because some people over the years have labelled games like KoTR as RPGs. Most of those games are more like classic Adventure games (i.e. King's Quest) than anything else.

 

[dfloyd]

Actually Markbenj I would say Final Fantasy is more to blame for the mislabeling of RPGs than any other game. At least imo.

RPG stands for ROLE (Not Roll) playing game. FF is not a RPG, its a Adventure game with maybe some elements that RPGs usually have. (Dont get me wrong I enjoyed some FF games, but that does not make them RPGs).

So in a true Role playing sense, no game has been as true to the Role playing genre as Morrowind and now Oblivion imo. You can truly take on your own role and do what you want pretty much, or for that matter dont want. Does this mean its perfect? Far from it, but closer than most any other game has come.

 

[wanderer27]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
PM me this mod.....

You can probably find this or better here:


http://www.psychodogstudios.net/forums/...7&sid=20a52b570c9962024fa07bf949f58982


They do weapons, clothes, and heads too I believe, at least for Morrowind they do. Oblivion they're still figuring some stuff out on.

 

[Yuriman]

I vote we ban cars, or at least put an M rating on them (so 16 year olds can't buy cars) because the designers havn't taken proper steps to prevent people from painting naked women on them.

 

[Markbnj]

Originally posted by: dfloyd
Actually Markbenj I would say Final Fantasy is more to blame for the mislabeling of RPGs than any other game. At least imo.

RPG stands for ROLE (Not Roll) playing game. FF is not a RPG, its a Adventure game with maybe some elements that RPGs usually have. (Dont get me wrong I enjoyed some FF games, but that does not make them RPGs).

So in a true Role playing sense, no game has been as true to the Role playing genre as Morrowind and now Oblivion imo. You can truly take on your own role and do what you want pretty much, or for that matter dont want. Does this mean its perfect? Far from it, but closer than most any other game has come.

Absolutely agree. I just picked KoTR off the top of my head. The only game that I recall having as good a time in as Arena, back in the 90's, was Might and Magic... 3 I think it was. There have been some others over the years. The Ultima series pretty much rocked.

 

[Jeff7181]

This is fekking ridiculous. It's not even anatomically correct, there are NO NIPPLES. It's the equivalent of a barbie doll. Even so, there are male nipples in the game, why would it be so horrible even if there were female nipples visible by default? Reminds me of a Doctor 90210 I saw the other night where a transvestite (male to female) was having breast implants. Before the surgery they show "it's" nipples... after the surgery they didn't. All that changed was the size of the person's "breasts." If size is the determining factor, why isn't it ok for Gwen Stefani to show her bare breasts but it's perfectly acceptable for Butterbean's flabby man boobs to bounce around on national TV?

 

[Sureshot324]

I think the ESRB is just trying to make an excuse to change the rating to mature, since they now see that it obviously should have been rated mature in the first place due to violence. They probably didn't play the game enough to see the rotting corpses hanging by ropes around their necks or the torture scenes.

Very violent game getting teen rating looks bad for the ESRB = many parents complaining.

But the ESRB saving millions of teenage boys from seeing boobies makes it look like they're doing their job.

It sucks that Bethesda has to pay for the ESRBs mistake, and I hope they sue the sh!t out of them.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Technically, Oblivion may be more of an RPG than many other "RPGs" currently out there, but it really lacks a soul, even more so than Morrowind/Daggerfall/Arena. The Ultima series might be considered the anti-roleplaying RPG because you're always the Avatar and have no choice as to career (starting in Ultima 4) or morality (for the most part), yet Ultima 7 was one of the greatest games I've ever played. Gothic could also be considered more of an adventure game than an RPG (though there are a fair number of character-shaping choices to be made), but it has a soul, which is much more important than anything else.

 

[justlnluck]

What's so wrong about nudity? We are all human. We are all naked under our clothes. Shouldn't simulated killing be considered much worse than viewing the human body?

 

[Powermoloch]

That's sad, it's funny though the games right before oblivion already had nude mods or unlocks

 

[Drayvn]

Killing is much better than a bit of nipple...

Dont you guys get it, sigh, children can go out and kill ppl and its ok by the law but looking at boobies is against the law...

No... Wait thats wrong...

 

[Markbnj]

If looking at boobies is against the law I'm screwed.