Oblivion benchmarked again.

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Brandons reply about the X1800XT comment.

As I've told you in the past, I still can't get my hands on any of
those X1800 XT 256MB boards listed on Newegg (not even the OEM
version), believe me I've tried.

Why cant he? Its not that hard. My little girl orders from the net now...

Lol.

 

[Munky]

If a single x1900xtx beats a single 7900gtx, then it's reasonable to believe that CF x1900 should beat SLI gtx, unless something is holding it back. I'd expect future drivers to improve CF performance, because there's no other reason why CF would offer little or no gain over a single card, while SLI offers huge gains.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: munky
If a single x1900xtx beats a single 7900gtx, then it's reasonable to believe that CF x1900 should beat SLI gtx, unless something is holding it back. I'd expect future drivers to improve CF performance, because there's no other reason why CF would offer little or no gain over a single card, while SLI offers huge gains.

There is currently no profile for Oblivion in crossfire. Expect one in Cat 6.4's. Whether Cfire will scale as well as Sli at that point....who know but it will walk the benchies if they use SuperAA.

 

[golem]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: golem
But when SLI came out, there was nothing to compare it to. It was in a vacuum. Crossfire has to be compared to SLI, and in this case, it falls short.

I agree with this. NV had nothing to compare to. SLI was riddled with issues at launch. Today however, most are ironed out, and its much easier (and compatible) to use. Crossfire will now be compared to SLI, for many things. Thats what happens when you come out second.

Rumor is the 6.4 Cats will be out in a few days, and they fix the issue. Which would make all of these Crossfire numbers, useless. But as it is today, SLI is the much better multi-GPU (speed wise) choice for Oblivion. There is no doubt about that.

Brandons reply about the X1800XT comment.

As I've told you in the past, I still can't get my hands on any of
those X1800 XT 256MB boards listed on Newegg (not even the OEM
version), believe me I've tried.

Why cant he? Its not that hard. My little girl orders from the net now...

Part One = Very good points. Guess we'll see in a couple of days
Part Two = LOL

 

[nitromullet]

The Ati cards (single card) really excel at oblivion. I'm hoping they can even get more performance as drivers mature. Since this is the game I forsee myself playing for many months to come (since it's HUGE) I'm quite happy with my choice.

IMO, no single card really "excels" at Oblivion. The X1900's have a substantial lead on paper over the 7900GTX, but nowhere is the ATI card playable where the NVIDIA card is not. The foliage tests may be the execption to this, but all the cards pretty much sucked there. You will need $1000 in video cards to break 30 FPS there. I think the surprise card for Oblivion is the X1800XT, as it performs well above anyhting else in its price range.

Rumor is the 6.4 Cats will be out in a few days, and they fix the issue.

If true, X1900 CF should turn out some decent FPS. I should hope that NV is working on their Oblivion performance also. Actually, hopefully Bethesda is tuning this game a bit as well...

Why cant he? Its not that hard. My little girl orders from the net now...

Maybe he's trying to get a free one from Newegg for testing, and the egg would rather sell them..? I dunno... Newegg shows the X1800XT 256 in stock, and I've never known Newegg to lie about that.

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Being a long-time SLI user (6800GTs for 14 months), I was very tempted to go the SLI 7900GT route. However, when I saw the XTX at Monarch for $430 I had to jump on it. I figured that the extra $170 for the GTs wouldn't be worth it from a cost/performance ratio, and I didn't like the fact that the GTs only had 256mb ram (as well as low availability at the time of my purchase). The jump from the 6800GTs to the XTX has been huge so far (in Oblivion, at least... haven't gotten around to playing anything else since I got it... or sleep for that matter). I play at 1600x1200, everything maxed/on except self shadows (women with beards don't do it for me), HDR, and 16xHQAF (with very few .ini tweaks and the LOD mods). While in the interiors, SLI 7900GTs get a nice boost over the XTX; but they both even up in the outside foliage, where I can see that my extra $170 would have basically gone to waste if I had opted for the GTs. So, I'm happy with my decision so far.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Why cant he? Its not that hard. My little girl orders from the net now...

Maybe he's trying to get a free one from Newegg for testing, and the egg would rather sell them..? I dunno... Newegg shows the X1800XT 256 in stock, and I've never known Newegg to lie about that.

I have one sitting in my office that they just delivered, so they're definitely in stock (although the $289 version was OOS for a bit last week; I got the ~$310 retail one instead).

I'm guessing he's trying to get a free one for testing and not having any luck. But they're readily available for purchase.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: nitromullet


Maybe he's trying to get a free one from Newegg for testing, and the egg would rather sell them..? I dunno... Newegg shows the X1800XT 256 in stock, and I've never known Newegg to lie about that.

I thought that too. Perhaps he has a different way of getting cards. Maybe whoever pays him, wont give him the cash for it or something. If thats the case though, his comment is very bad. Giving NV the win at the $300 price point, when the X1800XT is easier to get, cheape, and faster is just silly.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

The Ati cards (single card) really excel at oblivion. I'm hoping they can even get more performance as drivers mature. Since this is the game I forsee myself playing for many months to come (since it's HUGE) I'm quite happy with my choice.

Majority of the fighting, so far has been in indoors/underground/arena during which the FPS is quite playable. Walking around in foilage, I can't tell the difference between 30 or 50fps. If there was a lot of action in the outdoor areas, I'd agree but so far all the action has been indoors where my FPS is plenty.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

As I've told you in the past, I still can't get my hands on any of
those X1800 XT 256MB boards listed on Newegg (not even the OEM
version), believe me I've tried.

Why cant he? Its not that hard. My little girl orders from the net now...

Maybe your little girl can order a 7900 GT for you so you don't have to start threads as "fallguy" on another forum complaining about 7900 availability :laugh:

Either way it seems that ATI's shader power is working, it's just not the knockout that was stated before. I'm sure as more sites benchmark the game a clearer picture will appear.

I still have yet to install FEAR even though I bought it a few months ago. That along with Oblivion will have to wait for my new system.

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: Steelski

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell
This is one game I wish they would have done the benches 0X0X as well, or maybe 2X8X. It looks like it can bring any rig to it's knees if you have a good monitor and want to crank the settings.

Single card about what I expected, X1900s mostly slightly ahead due to triple threat shaders.

Crossfire results very disappointing, more evidence that tech is in it's infancy/beta stage.

Well. AEG GAVE ROLLO SLI in its Infacy and raved about it.
I think the drivers are to blame once again. hopefully there will be a profile in cats 6.4

Alternativley, if they detect the game by the .exe then why doesent someone rename oblivion to something else. that might work.

Fixed

 

[NoDamage]

No surprises here, the X1900XTX is the best single card solution for this game. I think the 7900GTX performed a bit better than expected though, with the exception of the foliage scene. In the others it is keeping up reasonably well with the X1900XT, when I thought the gap would have been greater. And of course the CF results will have to be reexamined once the new drivers come out.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: munky
Well, here we finally have an apples to apples comparison, and the looks like the x1900's win again.

Except CF. SLI is killing it, but in single card the x1900XTX is the winner.

poor drivers i believe is currently at fault

Edit: I seriously doubt that 7900GTX are getting near 100% increase in performance, look at the foilage benchy at 1600x1200 no aa/af:

7900GTX avg 20.3fps
7900GTX SLI avg 38.7fps
X1900XTX avg 27.3fps
X1900XTX Xfire avg 26.9fps

nuf said

If its GPU limited, SLI can garner near 100% increases.

 

[RussianSensation]

Oh oh...if X1900XL comes out at $299, Nvidia is going to sweat

 

[Dainas]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
There is currently no profile for Oblivion in crossfire. Expect one in Cat 6.4's. Whether Cfire will scale as well as Sli at that point....who know but it will walk the benchies if they use SuperAA.

Like anyone is going to use super AA under any circumstance in Oblivion. Even if ATI get compatibility with AA+HDR, its still far too much for any card in the near future to handle in that game. People use HDR Alot more in Oblivion than other titles because its implimentation is far more realistic and less obtrusive than other games. Bloom just doesnt cut it compaired to HDR for once. ATI needs to focus on Crossfire performance @ 1600x1200+ with HDR and Anis for Oblivion.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Dainas

Originally posted by: RobertR1
There is currently no profile for Oblivion in crossfire. Expect one in Cat 6.4's. Whether Cfire will scale as well as Sli at that point....who know but it will walk the benchies if they use SuperAA.

Like anyone is going to use super AA under any circumstance in Oblivion. Even if ATI get compatibility with AA+HDR, its still far too much for any card in the near future to handle in that game. People use HDR Alot more in Oblivion than other titles because its implimentation is far more realistic and less obtrusive than other games. Bloom just doesnt cut it compaired to HDR for once. ATI needs to focus on Crossfire performance @ 1600x1200+ with HDR and Anis for Oblivion.

I agree. HDR looks a lot better than Bloom + AA in this game. Crossfire is by no means a great solution (Sli is better) and it's going to be working almost a month after the game has been out. All, I'm saying is that don't expect this to be the final performance from a Crossfire setup.

 

[Munky]

I think a single xtx would handle Oblivion with AA + HDR if you run at 1280 res and turn off performance killing options that don't benefit the IQ much, like grass shadows. I turned off some background processes, and now I can run at 1280x960 with HDR, mostly high settings, and outdoors the fps hovers in the 40's and 50's, even with foliage.

 

[moonboy403]

i personally like using bloom + aa more than hdr

i hate seeing the jaggies! :|

btw, i was shocked to see that sli annihilated crossfire in oblivion

 

[StrangerGuy]

20-30 FPS is plenty playable for me. Don't know about you lucky guys with high-end cards though.

 

[Dainas]

Originally posted by: munky
I think a single xtx would handle Oblivion with AA + HDR if you run at 1280 res and turn off performance killing options that don't benefit the IQ much, like grass shadows. I turned off some background processes, and now I can run at 1280x960 with HDR, mostly high settings, and outdoors the fps hovers in the 40's and 50's, even with foliage.

Well its really hard to find balance as to what looks best, I'm 1600x1200 with HDR and everything set to max cept self-shadows because those do no favors to realism. From whats the single card benchemarks shows it seems to be alot more efficient to up the resolution than use AA even for ATI in Oblivion. Anything above a 7800GT or X1800XL is wasted on a monitor that can't go over 1280x1024.

 

[obeseotron]

Interesting what you ATI guys are saying about good outdoors and bad indoors, cause it's the absolute opposite for me with a 6800GT. I'm normally a huge fan of AA, but for Oblibion I like the HDR better.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Golgatha
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/oblivion_high-end_performance/

I love this quote...

"If today?s performance with Oblivion is any indication, these X1800 XT 256MB cards could become pretty hot sellers once they hit the market en masse, especially considering the shortage of GeForce 7900 GT cards on the market right now."

I have to call BS on this comment. The X1800XT 256MB is readily available at Newegg.com (and has been for a month) for $289 and the 512MB version is about $40-$50 more.

Except for the fact you can OC 7900GT's well past GTX that mght be a good bang for buck.

 

[Soccerman06]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: munky
Well, here we finally have an apples to apples comparison, and the looks like the x1900's win again.

Except CF. SLI is killing it, but in single card the x1900XTX is the winner.

poor drivers i believe is currently at fault

Edit: I seriously doubt that 7900GTX are getting near 100% increase in performance, look at the foilage benchy at 1600x1200 no aa/af:

7900GTX avg 20.3fps
7900GTX SLI avg 38.7fps
X1900XTX avg 27.3fps
X1900XTX Xfire avg 26.9fps

nuf said

If its GPU limited, SLI can garner near 100% increases.

Most GPU limited games gain about 50-60%, the highest Ive seen is somethin like 80%.

 

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Most GPU limited games gain about 50-60%, the highest Ive seen is somethin like 80%.

In some games, SLI scales much better than Crossfire:

Riddick
87% vs. 26%

SC:CT
86% vs 62%

FEAR
74% vs 6%

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Most GPU limited games gain about 50-60%, the highest Ive seen is somethin like 80%.

In some games, SLI scales much better than Crossfire:

Riddick
87% vs. 26%

SC:CT
86% vs 62%

FEAR
74% vs 6%

thoes benchmaking was done old driver mr Wanbie Rollo or Mr Rollo :! performance has been tweaked :!
Splinter Cell ATI wins hands down .

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bfg...00_gtx_oc_7900_gt_oc_review/page15.asp
7900GTX is the BFG OC model..

FEAR 1024x768x32 16xAF
7900GTX SLI AA4x : 125FPS
7900GTX SLI AA8x : 73FPS <<< a huge drop don't you think...
X1900XTX CF AA4x : 119FPS
X1900XTX CF AA8x : 112FPS

FEAR 1600x1200x32 16xAF
7900GTX SLI AA4x : 87FPS
7900GTX SLI AA8x : 40FPS <<< a huge drop again...
X1900XTX CF AA4x : 68FPS
X1900XTX CF AA8x : 58FPS

Quake 4 Ultra Quality 1024x768x32 16xAF
7900GTX SLI AA4x : 129FPS
7900GTX SLI AA8x : 109FPS
X1900XTX CF AA4x : 107.2FPS
X1900XTX CF AA8x : 105.6FPS

Quake 4 Ultra Quality 1600x1200x32 16xAF
7900GTX SLI AA4x : 113FPS
7900GTX SLI AA8x : 88.6FPS
X1900XTX CF AA4x : 104FPS
X1900XTX CF AA8x : 74.3FPS

Half life 2 Lost Coast 1024x768x32 16xAF
7900GTX SLI AA4x : 94.8FPS
7900GTX SLI AA8x : 88.5FPS
X1900XTX CF AA4x : 94.5FPS
X1900XTX CF AA8x : 84.6FPS

HL2 Lost Coast w/HDR, 1600x1200x32 16xAF
7900GTX SLI AA4x : 86.7FPS
7900GTX SLI AA8x : 52.4FPS
X1900XTX CF AA4x : 78.9FPS
X1900XTX CF AA8x : 52FPS

HL2 Lost Coast w/HDR, 2048x1536x32 16xAF
7900GTX SLI AA4x : 68.5FPS
7900GTX SLI AA8x : 34FPS
X1900XTX CF AA4x : 60.6FPS
X1900XTX CF AA8x : 35.4FPS



But games like BF2 don't need SLI or Crossfire... Both offer work fine in IMO
Battlefield 2 2048x1536x32 4xAA 16xAF

7900GTX :66.6FPS
X1900XTX : 85.7FPS
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bfg...900_gtx_oc_7900_gt_oc_review/page7.asp