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werepossum

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This story just keeps getting more bizarre. Now we're building a kilometer-long, above ground, bombproof tunnel just so Obama can visit the Ghandhi museum! (Now taking even money on whether there's a grain of truth to this story, which also comes out of India.)
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_tunnel-for-obama-near-mani-bhavan_1461946

I've changed my mind. I no longer think the $200 million per day figure was thrown out for a domestic Indian political reason. Now I think they're just messing with us. "Hey Sanjae, watch this! I'm going to tell them that the Americans are building a kilometer-long, above ground, bombproof tunnel just so Obama can visit the Ghandhi museum! This shit's more entertaining than Indian Idol!"
 

ebaycj

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They must have the currency mixed up, there's no way you're spending $200 million on the entire trip, forget about daily. It's probably more like $2 million per day wasted, not $200 million.

Only way you're hitting $200M is if you count everyone's salaries paid as well.

Their $250k salaries (high estimate) / 2000 => hourly rate. ($125 per hour)

Daily cost per employee = (hourly rate * 8 hours + hourly rate * 32 hours (for the other 16 hours at double hourly rate)). ($5000 per day)

10 days (high estimate) * 3000 people * 5000 = 150,000,000.
 

yllus

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As expected, things are going smoothly.

Financial Post - Obama wins India business

President Barack Obama announced US$10-billion in business deals on Saturday as he arrived in India to boost U.S. exports and jobs after a mauling in mid-term polls, but he ran into immediate controversy over Pakistan.

Mr. Obama flew into Mumbai, India's financial hub, and announced the United States would also relax export controls over sensitive technology, a demand of India's that will help deepen U.S. ties with the emerging global power and its trillion dollar economy.

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The US$10-billion in deals will support 54,000 jobs in the United States, White House aide Michael Froman said.

The White House also announced Obama would support India's membership of four global non-proliferation organizations, a move that will reassure New Delhi — left out of these groups after its 1998 nuclear tests — that Washington is recognizing its global clout.

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Mr. Obama heads to New Delhi on Sunday. His Saturday to Tuesday trip to India started just four days after his Democratic party sustained big election losses tied to the weak economy, raising doubts over how much the trip can yield given pressures at home.

On the agenda will be lucrative defense ties. The United States has held more military exercises with India in the past year than any other country, and U.S. firms Boeing and Lockheed Martin Corp are bidding for a US$11-billion deal for 126 fighter jets.

Washington still faces a host of hurdles, including Indian worries that signing defense pacts — which are necessary for the U.S. arms sales to go through — may land New Delhi in a wider entanglement with the U.S. military.

Also, an increase in U.S. visa fees, a ban on offshoring by the state of Ohio and the Indian IT industry's portrayal in campaign publicity as a drain on U.S. jobs have set a frosty tone in India.
 

IBMer

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The sad thing is people commenting on the Fox new article about this 10 billion dollar trade deal are STILL insisting its 200 million a day trip. Half of them think that we gave 10 billion to India instead of getting that from them. The propaganda machine worked.
 
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JTsyo

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Washington still faces a host of hurdles, including Indian worries that signing defense pacts — which are necessary for the U.S. arms sales to go through — may land New Delhi in a wider entanglement with the U.S. military.

That's the thing with getting involved with the US. If you're in trouble, we'll get your ass out of the fire. Heck you might not even get into trouble if the other side knows we're on your side. But we're all over the place stirring things up. Wonder how many of our allies don't want to be in Afghanistan right now.
Isn't India usually closely tied with Russia for military equipment?
 

nageov3t

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That's the thing with getting involved with the US. If you're in trouble, we'll get your ass out of the fire. Heck you might not even get into trouble if the other side knows we're on your side. But we're all over the place stirring things up. Wonder how many of our allies don't want to be in Afghanistan right now.
Isn't India usually closely tied with Russia for military equipment?
and god knows, India signing a pact with the US could make Pakistan hate them or something :rolleyes:
 

werepossum

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That's the thing with getting involved with the US. If you're in trouble, we'll get your ass out of the fire. Heck you might not even get into trouble if the other side knows we're on your side. But we're all over the place stirring things up. Wonder how many of our allies don't want to be in Afghanistan right now.
Isn't India usually closely tied with Russia for military equipment?

India has historically been militarily Soviet-block (the only reason the USA has historically been closely tied to Pakistan), but has also kept fairly close ties to the UK. Its logistics are thus a hot mess.
 

yllus

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Obama continues to work it.

Obama Backs India's Bid For Security Seat

NEW DELHI - U.S. President Barack Obama yesterday backed India's quest for a permanent UN Security Council seat, inviting the world's largest democracy to take its "rightful" place at the summit of global power.

In a symbolic climax of his three-day visit to a nation he hailed as an "indispensable" U.S. partner, Mr. Obama delivered the foreign policy victory to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in a landmark address to the Indian parliament.

But at the same time he warned that with growing power came increased responsibility, as he pointedly criticized India for failing to condemn human rights abuses in neighbouring Burma.

The move on the Security Council seat, intensifying a haggling process on United Nations reform that could take years, will be seen as an incentive for a government Mr. Obama wants to see throw open its markets to U.S. exports to create a vast U.S. "job fair."

Mrs. Obama seems to be an even bigger hit:

U.S. First Lady Michelle Obama is an undisputed hit in India after winning hearts with a Bollywood boogie and displaying a common touch critics say her husband sometimes lacks.

The Times of India hailed her as a "dancing queen" after she took to the floor twice during her visit to Mumbai, shaking a leg to Bollywood hits on Saturday and joining in a local folk dance with schoolchildren on Sunday. Photographs of the 46-year-old wearing a range of outfits from a sober grey tunic to a bright turquoise dress have been splashed in Indian newspapers, with most noting her style approvingly. Videos of the First Lady dancing have been getting play on Indian news channels, with leading station NDTV describing it as "the defining image of the Obamas' maiden visit to India."

India Today magazine drew attention to her "emotional appeal" with a headline saying, "Michelle steals Barack thunder."

"Obama appeals to the head, Michelle touches the heart, despite her formidable intelligence," the magazine noted, praising her "inordinate warmth" and calling the them "a perfect team at work."

Speaking to students at Mumbai's St. Xavier's College on Sunday, the First Lady peppered her speech with personal stories of her working-class childhood in Chicago and encouraged her audience to "keep dreaming big, gigantic dreams."
 

Siddhartha

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http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/10/liars-club/?hp

Liars’ Club
By TIMOTHY EGAN

Timothy Egan on American politics and life, as seen from the West.

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Fox News, glenn beck, Michele Bachmann, republicans, sarah palin

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If common sense were currency Michele Bachmann would be broke, and holding a tin can by the roadside just now. Alas, because we live in an age where hyperbole is gold, Bachmann is rich.

She was on CNN the other day, a rare departure from the in-house fawning of Fox “News,” expressing outrage that President Obama’s trip to India was going to cost $200 million a day and involve nearly three dozen warships.

Anderson Cooper did what no Fox host would ever do: he asked the preternaturally nutty congresswoman from Minnesota where she got her figures, suggesting that “this idea that it’s $200 million or whatever is simply made up.”

In fact, it was made up. The White House said it was preposterous, and a Pentagon spokesman called the warship claim “absolutely absurd” and “comical.”

What happened next was encouraging to everyone in the reality-based community. The emerging Republican leadership snubbed Bachmann in her attempt to join the major players who will guide G.O.P. policy in the House.

Now that they have to govern, Republicans are grappling with a tough initial challenge: how to detach themselves from an influential wing of their party that has never been interested in arguing facts. On a daily basis, these people bemoan, detest and feign outrage over utter fantasies. Some of the loudest voices are elected representatives; others are professional provocateurs interested in keeping their lecture fees high and their base in a lather.

Bachmann’s disastrous turn outside the Fox bubble was instructive, for it showed how the liars’ club works. The $200 million figure originated in India, attributed to an anonymous foreign bureaucrat, and quickly went to the Drudge Report. On Fox and Rush Limbaugh’s radio rant, the absurdity that the United States would spend more on a presidential trip than the daily cost to prosecute the Afghanistan war quickly became gospel. Did these people ever call the White House or the Pentagon to check the facts before going ballistic? Perish the thought.

Glenn Beck went nuts (a redundancy). And while acknowledging that he didn’t know if the figures were accurate, he felt comfortable enough to cite “a report that has made the rounds on the Internet.” A commentator on Fox business “news” and the Republican fundraiser and Fox host Sean Hannity followed their scripts and Beck.

But this particular lie prompted a minor civil conflict in Rupert Murdoch’s empire. The Murdoch employee Mike Huckabee challenged fellow Murdoch employees on their outrage over a made-up figure.

At the same time, The Wall Street Journal, Murdoch’s crown jewel, went after another Murdoch employee, Sarah Palin, on one of her errors, which appear on a regular basis from her Twitter feed or in speeches. Palin attacked the Federal Reserve’s monetary policy, which is about as far over her head as she ever wants to get, and showed profound ignorance on inflation. She said anyone who’d gone shopping lately would know that “grocery prices have risen significantly over the past year.” A Journal blogger then noted that food and beverage inflation was practically nonexistent for the past year — the lowest on record — and that Palin was having some trouble with reading comprehension.

Huckabee wants to be president, and to be taken seriously. The Wall Street Journal needs credibility on basic economic facts in order to survive. And that takes us to the incoming Republican leadership, which will succeed or fail based on whether they are able to legislate with the truth in mind, or follow the crazies.

Republicans caught a break when Sharron Angle lost her bid to unseat Senator Harry Reid of Nevada. Angle’s most preposterous claim was that Shariah, or Islamic law, existed in the good old U.S. of A. Why, just now, two cities — Dearborn, Mich., and Frankford, Tex. — were under the dreaded jihadist rule, she said.

“I don’t know how that happened in the United States,” said Angle. Nor does anyone else, because it didn’t happen, and couldn’t under our Constitution, which separates church (and mosque) from state. Frankford no longer exists as a town, though a reporter for CNN did find a small church and a cemetery within its confines. The mayor of Dearborn, Jack O’Reilly, said Muslims and Christians have been living peacefully with each other for decades.

Would it surprise you that Palin was Angle’s most prominent supporter? And that Palin’s other big political pick in the Southwest was Arizona’s Gov. Jan Brewer, who famously claimed that “our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert, either buried or just lying out there, that have been beheaded.” Sounds like Shariah again. Except in this case the lie was used to make people afraid of Mexicans. Brewer finally backed off when she was unable to cite a single instance of a headless body in the treeless desert.

Palin no longer has to govern, since quitting halfway through her term in Alaska. Relying on her singular, God-given inability to properly digest facts, she’s free to make stuff up without consequence. She was awarded the 2009 “lie of the year” by Politifact.com for inventing “death panels” in the health care bill. That site, along with factcheck.org, attempt to referee the whoppers in public policy debates, and are worth a visit for anyone trying to follow the news. But they hardly seem to matter to Palin.

Other Republicans, as they move legislation through Congress, will be held to higher standards. Is global warming real? Will extending tax cuts on the richest two percent dramatically increase the deficit? Is the surge in Afghanistan doing any good, or just prolonging a winless war? Big questions, big issues. Keeping Bachmann isolated in the make-believe studios of Fox would be a good start.

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ModerateRepZero

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Bachmann got called, as she should have been.

A pity that for people like her, facts are but an inconvenience, and being outrageously wrong won't make her ponder.
 

Brovane

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H1B visa workers are highly skilled, of course America wants to be able to steal the best educated people from around the world.

Yes lets get more H1B's over hear so we can pay them below market wages and then make them work 80-100 hours a week and only pay them for 40. While millions of Americans are out of work and the companies go around complaining that they cannot find the skilled workers that they need. More like they cannot find the skilled workers that they need willing to work 80+ hours a week for $40k a year. These people are not highly skilled. They are just willing to work crappy hours and low pay for the chance of getting US citizenship.
 

fskimospy

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Yes lets get more H1B's over hear so we can pay them below market wages and then make them work 80-100 hours a week and only pay them for 40. While millions of Americans are out of work and the companies go around complaining that they cannot find the skilled workers that they need. More like they cannot find the skilled workers that they need willing to work 80+ hours a week for $40k a year. These people are not highly skilled. They are just willing to work crappy hours and low pay for the chance of getting US citizenship.

They are most certainly highly skilled. Millions of Americans are out of work, but it doesn't mean that millions of Americans are out of work in the fields being covered by H1B visas. The US always benefits from having more highly skilled and educated people in it.
 

Brovane

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They are most certainly highly skilled. Millions of Americans are out of work, but it doesn't mean that millions of Americans are out of work in the fields being covered by H1B visas. The US always benefits from having more highly skilled and educated people in it.

They are not more highly skilled. You can get rid of a highly skilled and highly paid american and then hire a couple of H1B's to take there place that will work for crap wages and will put up with horrible working conditions for a chance at US citizenship.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

Immigration attorneys even hold seminars on how to exclude americans and meet the requirement to hire a H1B.
 

manimal

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They are not more highly skilled. You can get rid of a highly skilled and highly paid american and then hire a couple of H1B's to take there place that will work for crap wages and will put up with horrible working conditions for a chance at US citizenship.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

Immigration attorneys even hold seminars on how to exclude americans and meet the requirement to hire a H1B.

Sadly you are both right, in some cases H1Bs are used to pay someone less for the same job a MUCH older person with more experience would get payed for.

The vast majority though are brought in to fill needs in places where the talent pool just inst there.