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Obama's culpability in oil spill?

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IGBT said:
he's living in the moment in a cold sweat behind circled wagons. He's one event away from early retirement.
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Dream On... You sound like an 80 year old Cuban refugee, dreaming of returning to Havana... In Glory...

Yeh, let's elect more republicans- you know, the anti- regulation Pro- corporate mouthpieces... because of corporate screw ups and loose regulation they worked 30 years to achieve.

And when it all goes south, like the economy, why, it's not their fault- Couldn't Be!

Obama should have reviewed every exemption and rule change ever made over the last 30 years during his first 16 months in office, right? The fact that such is impossible doesn't matter, because he always wrong, anyway, no matter what, because, because... He's the Enemy! He's not one of Us!

Only the lamest teabaggers wrapped in layers of contradiction and denial are ready to fall for it- Hell, they already have.

The lame desperation of the Rightwing is truly astounding, beyond reason entirely. Y'all really, really should be embarrassed, ashamed, mortified with yourselves for being so foolish. If you think this kind of display will win any sympathy for your condition or any votes, you're completely nuts.
 
well, thank god the uninhabited Alaskan wastelands are protected while we drill off the cost of populated areas that depend on fishing.
 
loki8481 said:
well, thank god the uninhabited Alaskan wastelands are protected while we drill off the cost of populated areas that depend on fishing.
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Yes because it would be soooooooo easy to mobilize a response to such an event (like the one in the Gulf now) if it happened in bumblefuck, alaska.
 
Zebo said:
Yes but silent now. Just like they are silent on Obama's hit teams able to assassinate US citizens w/o due process. Silent on FISA endorsement. Silent on new secret prisons...and so on.

This detachment from reality is what happens when we put party before country and everyone needs to watch themselves.
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I think the bipartisan system is still in place only to keep confusion up.

Same thing with why voting isn't just done via online ballots which would open up the course for single issue voting...cash is America's holy grail and people trust their money online....why not vote that way. Make it totally popular voting with no electoral college anymore.
 
alkemyst said:
I think the bipartisan system is still in place only to keep confusion up.

Same thing with why voting isn't just done via online ballots which would open up the course for single issue voting...cash is America's holy grail and people trust their money online....why not vote that way. Make it totally popular voting with no electoral college anymore.
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I think that this entire post was covered in the last animated episode of Dilbert.
 
CaptnKirk said:
I live in a suburb of Metro New Orleans - this is literaly happening on our back yard.

Every day I hear stupid remarks made by illiterates as to how this should be just turned off,
like the Government has some miracle valve that they just have to use to stop it.

Goofballs call in to the local talk shows and blame everyone except BP and themselves for the spill.

Yes, stupid racist bigot morons is the operative mentality at work around here.

Read (or if you can't read, listen to) our local WWL radio Talk Show Host Garland Robinette's 'Open Letter'
- you just might learn something.

http://www.wwl.com/VIDEO--Garland-Robinette-s-letter-to-President-Oba/7346874
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That was interesting . . But just as a reminder place blame anywhere you want people. But until you look into a mirror and place blame were it truely belongs you will never see clearly . For being sheepo. But alast the mirror has been taken away and time for reflection has passed you by. I will TELL you once again . Read my last post on New years eve and KNOW this. I intend to make you fully aware of the fact your ignorance has doomed you .Were going into the sixth month now and so far what you seen in 2010 is nothing compared to whats left of 2010 . I will remind you with each and every disaster You can not stop this . I cry for you but you were warned repeatedly and you LOL. The last laugh I promise will not be yours . God speed.
 
loki8481 said:
well, thank god the uninhabited Alaskan wastelands are protected while we drill off the cost of populated areas that depend on fishing.
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Yeah, I'll remember this particular event next time some oil industry congressman gets on TV and talks about how we could totally drill ANWR in complete safety...

But here's a though. How about if instead of spilling oil all over Alaska vs spilling oil all over the ocean, we stop spilling it all together? Being, you know, competent, seems like a better approach than picking our oil drilling spots based on what area we can most afford to cover with oil.
 
Jhhnn said:
The lame desperation of the Rightwing is truly astounding, beyond reason entirely. Y'all really, really should be embarrassed, ashamed, mortified with yourselves for being so foolish. If you think this kind of display will win any sympathy for your condition or any votes, you're completely nuts.
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Where were you when Bush was in office?

Yeah, it's a trick question.
 
Rainsford said:
Yeah, I'll remember this particular event next time some oil industry congressman gets on TV and talks about how we could totally drill ANWR in complete safety...

But here's a though. How about if instead of spilling oil all over Alaska vs spilling oil all over the ocean, we stop spilling it all together? Being, you know, competent, seems like a better approach than picking our oil drilling spots based on what area we can most afford to cover with oil.
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Please tell me which 1/3 of the products made with petrochemicals you wish to give up. I understand that the list is extremely long but you can pick a few dozen items a day until you reach the 1/3 required.

Oh, and picking items that you don't use doesn't actually reduce our petrochemical use so that isn't an option.


Oilspills will happen as long as we continue to use it. We need a much better response to contain and clean them when they do occur. There will eventually be another issue like this and it will probably take them a while to get it capped, the question is will we be better prepared to contain and clean the oil?

Why don't we have supertankers sucking up as much as the oil on the surface as possible? Why does it seem like no one is in charge? Why can't the parish presidents get the manpower and supplies they are requesting and have now started purchasing with their own operating budgets? Why is it that we can't get straight answers or timely answers from Federal agencies such as the COE? Who exactly gave BP the authority to prevent the press from accessing certain areas? Why is it that LA has been denied its fair share of oil revenues, that every other energy producing state enjoys, so that we can restore our wetlands. Wetlands that are disappearing at a rate of a football field ever 30 minutes BEFORE the spill.

Its becoming rather clear that this is one big ass dog and pony show. Right before Obama's flyover a bus full of workers in nice new clothes and shiny white boots showed up at the beach he was to flyover and started cleaning up. They left shortly after his flyover was done...
 
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Jhhnn said:
Dream On... You sound like an 80 year old Cuban refugee, dreaming of returning to Havana... In Glory...

Yeh, let's elect more republicans- you know, the anti- regulation Pro- corporate mouthpieces... because of corporate screw ups and loose regulation they worked 30 years to achieve.

And when it all goes south, like the economy, why, it's not their fault- Couldn't Be!

Obama should have reviewed every exemption and rule change ever made over the last 30 years during his first 16 months in office, right? The fact that such is impossible doesn't matter, because he always wrong, anyway, no matter what, because, because... He's the Enemy! He's not one of Us!

Only the lamest teabaggers wrapped in layers of contradiction and denial are ready to fall for it- Hell, they already have.

The lame desperation of the Rightwing is truly astounding, beyond reason entirely. Y'all really, really should be embarrassed, ashamed, mortified with yourselves for being so foolish. If you think this kind of display will win any sympathy for your condition or any votes, you're completely nuts.
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How about immediately providing funding to the state and local governments, along with any manpower and asset the Feds have, to help contain the oil before it got to shore (as well as cleaning up what gets to shore)? I have a ton more but no one really cares. They aren't very good digs at either party and thats all most of you are interested in...
 
:hmm: I think the lack of action for this oil spill is very republican.txt. Obama is letting the free-market decide what to do this time. This is a very conservative thing from Obama. :awe: HAPPAY?!
 
Nemesis 1 said:
That was interesting . . But just as a reminder place blame anywhere you want people. But until you look into a mirror and place blame were it truely belongs you will never see clearly . For being sheepo. But alast the mirror has been taken away and time for reflection has passed you by. I will TELL you once again . Read my last post on New years eve and KNOW this. I intend to make you fully aware of the fact your ignorance has doomed you .Were going into the sixth month now and so far what you seen in 2010 is nothing compared to whats left of 2010 . I will remind you with each and every disaster You can not stop this . I cry for you but you were warned repeatedly and you LOL. The last laugh I promise will not be yours . God speed.
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Oh, great, now Anandtech has it's own resident 'Prophet of Doom' to contend with.
 
Darwin333 said:
Please tell me which 1/3 of the products made with petrochemicals you wish to give up. I understand that the list is extremely long but you can pick a few dozen items a day until you reach the 1/3 required.

Oh, and picking items that you don't use doesn't actually reduce our petrochemical use so that isn't an option.


Oilspills will happen as long as we continue to use it. We need a much better response to contain and clean them when they do occur. There will eventually be another issue like this and it will probably take them a while to get it capped, the question is will we be better prepared to contain and clean the oil?

Why don't we have supertankers sucking up as much as the oil on the surface as possible? Why does it seem like no one is in charge? Why can't the parish presidents get the manpower and supplies they are requesting and have now started purchasing with their own operating budgets? Why is it that we can't get straight answers or timely answers from Federal agencies such as the COE? Who exactly gave BP the authority to prevent the press from accessing certain areas? Why is it that LA has been denied its fair share of oil revenues, that every other energy producing state enjoys, so that we can restore our wetlands. Wetlands that are disappearing at a rate of a football field ever 30 minutes BEFORE the spill.

Its becoming rather clear that this is one big ass dog and pony show. Right before Obama's flyover a bus full of workers in nice new clothes and shiny white boots showed up at the beach he was to flyover and started cleaning up. They left shortly after his flyover was done...
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Who said anything about reducing consumption? Is your position really that this is the safest way we could possibly be treating oil drilling and transportation? Because I have the feeling that it's not. That maybe we could do a better job, instead of trying to figure out where we can most afford to fuck up. We're certainly not going to ELIMINATE accidents, but we could probably reduce them.
 
Rainsford said:
Who said anything about reducing consumption? Is your position really that this is the safest way we could possibly be treating oil drilling and transportation? Because I have the feeling that it's not. That maybe we could do a better job, instead of trying to figure out where we can most afford to fuck up. We're certainly not going to ELIMINATE accidents, but we could probably reduce them.
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I agree 100% that we can reduce accidents but I think even more importantly we need to have a plan in place to address them after they occur.

It is seriously a 3 ring circus down here. No one is in charge, no one can make a decision, no plans in place at all to contain once the inevitable (even with increased regs, shit will happen), extremely slow response by all involved parties at just about every stage, etc.... The list goes on.

The bottom line is, we need the nasty black stuff. As a matter of fact, it is a national security concern. We can either go after as much of our own stuff as safely (within reason) or we can risk being drug into wars because we are buying it from unstable regions.

Instead of people trying to deal with the realities of the situation most are much more concerned with trying to throw jabs at the political party they don't belong to. While they throw jabs, we continue to get fucked over by all parties involved (yes, that includes the Federal government).

I'm on those boats and docks 3 times a week and the talk of a "floating blockade" is increasing daily and they have more than enough boats and people to do it. Even a short disruption of our imported oil will cause major problems that none of us need right now.

Edit: I apologize, I didn't answer your main question. Is it my position that this is the safest way to treat oil drilling, no. It is much safer to drill closer to land in shallower water but we don't like that either, or on land and now offshore. There are a lot of common sense regs that can make ultradeep drilling less prone to accidents of this nature but letting them tap the oil/gas that doesn't require ROVs to service the wellheads is still much safer even after the regs are added.

You also need one John Wayne type of guy, that has no financial interests in any company involved, at the top of the chain (like Gen. Honore in Katrina). If the .gov would have had someone like that from day 1 the reaction to the disaster would not have been/still is such a clusterfuck.
 
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TridenT said:
:hmm: I think the lack of action for this oil spill is very republican.txt. Obama is letting the free-market decide what to do this time. This is a very conservative thing from Obama. :awe: HAPPAY?!
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Since when is protecting the national security of the country a "free-market" thing? Even the wingnuts don't believe that.
 
TridenT said:
:hmm: You do realize all parties have massive contradictions in their philosophies, right?
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Sure do. At the end of the day most of them agree that the government should be in charge of protecting our national security though. I think this falls under that definition. The people who fucked up should be held accountable but I don't know anyone from any major political viewpoint that thinks the private sector should be protecting the nation from extreme and imminent danger.
 
IGBT said:
aaahh I got my boot on their neck < your obama >.
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Pssst

K-e-n
S-a-l-a-z-a-r

coined that little diddy (after the now infamous Senate testimony of Transocean, Halliburton and BP).

As BP's 'marketing and public relations' speaks of their responsibility, in sworn testimony they pointed their fingers at Transocean (for the blowout preventer, including the manufacturer, Cameron, of Houston) and Halliburton, for the casing and cement on the well.

Transocean and Halliburton continued the 'trend' by pointing their fingers at each other, and BP.

It's more than obvious that these clowns are trying to minimize their liability and, most likely, it will take decades of litigation to determine ultimate levels of culpability and negligence between them (not Obama, as much as that pains the Wing Nuts at P&N).




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