zephyrprime
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All you found were allegations? Buch denied using cocaine after 1992, then extended the cocaine-free period back to 1974. A denial like this is an admission that he used cocaine BEFORE 1974.
Of course Bush could go on record and deny it all, but for some strange reason he won't clear himself with a simple denial, he just gives his usual song and dance act on the subject.
I'd think a CPA could add 2 + 2??
Let's not forget the cover up of the fact that Deadeye Dick shot a man in the face while drunk.
A DUI to me is far, far more serious than a dude snorting a line. The dude snorting line presents much less of a threat to me than does a drunk driver.
Don Vito Corleone
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thraashman
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The reason here people aren't up in arms over Obama doing cocaine isn't liberal hypocrisy, it's because the reason most people get mad about a political figure doing this stuff is the secresy. Clinton said he didn't inhale, Bush dances words around and heavily insinuates use but never admits, Obama comes straight forward, without anyone asking him and no new story breaking about it, and he admits his use freely. This goes a long way towards making people forgive him. It was something done 20 years ago, he admitted to it, he acknowledged it was stupid. Why continue to persecute a man for something he did so long ago and has not tried to hide.
ProfJohn
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Donvito, you are now using Kitty Kelly as a source of information? Are you going to start quoting the National Enquire next?
From Wikipedia: ""The Family" provoked another firestorm of publicity due to its allegations, allegedly supplied by Sharon Bush (although Mrs. Bush denied making the allegation,), that George W. Bush snorted cocaine with his brothers at Camp David during his father's presidency. The book also claimed that First Lady Laura Bush dealt drugs in college. Kelley was widely attacked in the media for the book, with charges of partisanship and challenges to her credibility. "
Yes, she has never lost a libel case, but you of all people should know how hard it is to win libel cases in America.
Her book on the British Royalty was never published in the UK because of libel fears.
Question for you: If the allegation that Bush did coke at Camp David pushed by a tabloid type writer lowers your opinion of him, then what is your opinion of Clinton after he was accused of Rape? At least in the Clinton case the accuser is not some unnamed source hiding their identity.
Don Vito Corleone
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Clinton defended himself head-on against these charges, and in spite of the fact that there was a known accuser he was never criminally charged, much less convicted.
Bush has been interviewed repeatedly about cocaine use and has never denied it (though he has, as zephyrprime points out, changed the date after which he claims not to have used it). I frankly believe the allegations in the Kelley book, and again, it would surprise me if Doubleday knowingly published defamatory material about the President.
In response to your question, Bush's cocaine use (which is adequately well documented that I believe it occurred) doesn't really affect my opinion of him - I regard him as a marginal human being (indeed, probably less bright and certainly less intellectually curious than the average college graduate) and one of our worst-ever Presidents, and I'd say the same thing if he were a teetotaler.
I think your professed disappointment with Obama, combined with your unwillingness to concede President Bush's own misdeeds, is essentially the same thing as your feigned horror at gay groups exposing allegedly gay Congressional staffers, while you yourself do the same thing. I'm not convinced even you know what you believe in.
In what sense are you a "professor"?
Everybody knows bush did coke. It was written about in several books, there are his fellow college students who witnessed it, and bush's lack of a denial is pretty much a confirmation. Why argue a nonpoint? OJ never ADMITTED killing anybody but everybody assumes he did it...
THe only question is at what date he stopped sniffing. The unofficial official line is sometime in the 70's though some have said he kept up until the late 80's.
THe only question is at what date he stopped sniffing. The unofficial official line is sometime in the 70's though some have said he kept up until the late 80's.
JEDIYoda
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Morning friend!!
You forget one thing....
Craig234 will tell you that circusmtantial or whimsicle evidence even without proof is good enough to nail Bush......in other words there are no rules to what Craig234 postulates other than everyone else is held to a higher standard of proof than he himself is!!
Thump553
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It will interesting to see how this plays out. It is common knowledge that Bush WAS a heavy duty coke head, but he has never publically expressly admitted it (to the best of my knowledge). Obama, OTOH, publically admits to a single experiment.
From my personal viewpoint, and in a rational world, this should be insignificant. But you can never tell in politics.
From my personal viewpoint, and in a rational world, this should be insignificant. But you can never tell in politics.
Perhaps we will get a President who will push to decriminalize drugs. God would that be fantastic. We could stop the moronic hypocrisy that is filling our jails with non criminal people and do away with another factor destroying our nation.
Moonie: I don't buy it. I always hear this "filling our jails" line - but if you look at the statistics, yes the Federal jails are being filled with drug offenders (2002 numbers say about 50%), but Federal numbers are very small (140K) compared to state numbers (1.2M). In state, drug offenses are only 20% of total sentencings (again 2002 numbers) which is actually down from 1995. Jail numbers are growing primarily because of increases in violent crime.
Source: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/p02.pdf
Source: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/p02.pdf
Fern
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Drug use "Dooming" Obama's campaign?
Firstly, this interest in drug use of people years ago when they were young really annoys me.
Secondly, any long ago drug use is not his problem, 800K people (that's how many of his books have sold) are already familiar with this. It's old and IMHO a non-story.
Inexperience is his #1 campaign problem.
BTW: People always refer to him a "black". He's mixed race like Tiger Woods. Why don't they say "mixed race"?
Fern
Firstly, this interest in drug use of people years ago when they were young really annoys me.
Secondly, any long ago drug use is not his problem, 800K people (that's how many of his books have sold) are already familiar with this. It's old and IMHO a non-story.
Inexperience is his #1 campaign problem.
BTW: People always refer to him a "black". He's mixed race like Tiger Woods. Why don't they say "mixed race"?
Fern
50% of Federal prisoners & 20% of state prisoners sounds a lot like 'filling' to me. I don't even want to know how much $$$ is wasted keeping dope smokers behind bars; how often are murderers, rapists, armed robbers, etc. let out of prison early to keep those horrifying three strikes potheads off the streets?
Inexperience is not a problem. Not a problem at all. The funny thing is that if they are experienced... then they are "washington insiders that have been corrupted by the system". Nearly everyone on here has already made up their mind about the people running for president based largely on party affiliation, and now they are just seeking for reasons to justify their decision.
Don Vito Corleone
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Nobody who has made this allegation allows themselves to be named. Perhaps that means it's not true. I don't think it's really in controversy that President Bush was a cocaine user, but his drug dealing is not as demonstrably true.
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