Obama's Campaign is Doomed

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Sadly, I agree with Donvito. This is unlikely to have much effect. This is not so much a swipe at Obama, but a swipe at America as a country that we now find it acceptable.

Do you find it acceptable that President Bush took and apparently sold drugs, including cocaine?

Proof he sold drugs? Personally I don't think it's a huge deal Obama did coke, as long as he wasn't a junkie...

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Craig, after this thread started I headed over to Google and wikipedia to see what I could find on Bush and cocaine. And what I found? Not much. Just a bunch of allegations with very little proof behind them. Bush was arrested in 1974 and daddy had his record cleared etc etc. Stuff like that, with out any named sources or evidence.
Reminds me of the whole Rather memo before the 2004 election, you remember, the fake memo and all that.
Just because you want to believe something, does not mean that something is true.

John, you're not in a position to lecture about wanting to believe something not making it true. I've done nothing to indicate that; it's more useful for you.

Further evidence that he used drugs illegally is that he refused the physical the first year it added drug testing, despite that being a serious offense; and the date of his time he refuses to discuss lies shortly after that period with the drug test. The picture becomes pretty clear about some drug.

You mention the Rather story - the story where there was plenty of solid evidence for the main points outside the memo, and the memo's content was called accurate by the officer's secretary, whether or not the copy of the memo was the original or a later recreation. The huge investigation done by CBS with a republican and the former head of AP was unable to determine whether it was an authentic original. There's still a mystery about who 'leaked' the memo, if it was a campaign ploy by the Bush side.

The truth is we do not know what types of drugs Bush used, although pot seems to be a certainty. Beyond that we have NO clue at all.

Yo have no reason as far as I know to say that marijuana is 'in' but not cocaine; what we know is that he almost certainly used illegal drugs which could either or both.

Bush specifially refused to deny cocaine.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Craig, after this thread started I headed over to Google and wikipedia to see what I could find on Bush and cocaine. And what I found? Not much. Just a bunch of allegations with very little proof behind them. Bush was arrested in 1974 and daddy had his record cleared etc etc. Stuff like that, with out any named sources or evidence.
Reminds me of the whole Rather memo before the 2004 election, you remember, the fake memo and all that.
Just because you want to believe something, does not mean that something is true.

John, you're not in a position to lecture about wanting to believe something not making it true. I've done nothing to indicate that; it's more useful for you.

Further evidence that he used drugs illegally is that he refused the physical the first year it added drug testing, despite that being a serious offense; and the date of his time he refuses to discuss lies shortly after that period with the drug test. The picture becomes pretty clear about some drug.

You mention the Rather story - the story where there was plenty of solid evidence for the main points outside the memo, and the memo's content was called accurate by the officer's secretary, whether or not the copy of the memo was the original or a later recreation. The huge investigation done by CBS with a republican and the former head of AP was unable to determine whether it was an authentic original. There's still a mystery about who 'leaked' the memo, if it was a campaign ploy by the Bush side.

The truth is we do not know what types of drugs Bush used, although pot seems to be a certainty. Beyond that we have NO clue at all.

Yo have no reason as far as I know to say that marijuana is 'in' but not cocaine; what we know is that he almost certainly used illegal drugs which could either or both.

Bush specifially refused to deny cocaine.

Dubbya lived in Alaska in the 70's. He did coke. And smoked pot.

 

[nageov3t]

is there anyone who was above the age of 20 in the 70's and 80's that *didn't* do coke at some point?

 

[Lemon law]

To a great extent this sounds like a whisper rumor ala Karl Rove---it may be somewhat factual---but look for lots more in the coming months---as character assasination is refined to a new art form.

 

[Aimster]

+1 for obama

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: loki8481
is there anyone who was above the age of 20 in the 70's and 80's that *didn't* do coke at some point?

There are many that choose not to do drugs.

If this bounces Obama, Hillary will be cheering along with many Republicans.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
To a great extent this sounds like a whisper rumor ala Karl Rove---it may be somewhat factual---but look for lots more in the coming months---as character assasination is refined to a new art form.

Of course. Right now the peanut gallery is saying "no big deal" but once (if) he becomes a serious candidate they'll be right back here trying to beat him over the head with it.

 

[Zebo]

I figure the Obama name and being black would kill his chances. Sorta like a Adolf Sunni Muslim running for an Israeli PM.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Sadly, I agree with Donvito. This is unlikely to have much effect. This is not so much a swipe at Obama, but a swipe at America as a country that we now find it acceptable.

Do you find it acceptable that President Bush took and apparently sold drugs, including cocaine?

Proof he sold drugs? Personally I don't think it's a huge deal Obama did coke, as long as he wasn't a junkie...

The claim (which is admittedly the product of unnamed sources) is that Bush was selling cocaine at a fairly high level (ounce quantities) in New Haven. I don't honestly know whether it's true. He is also reputed to have used cocaine on many occasions at Camp David when his father was President, when he was in his early 40s (the latter accusation has in fact been verified by Doubleday, who published Kitty Kelley's book about the Bush family).

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Sadly, I agree with Donvito. This is unlikely to have much effect. This is not so much a swipe at Obama, but a swipe at America as a country that we now find it acceptable.

Do you find it acceptable that President Bush took and apparently sold drugs, including cocaine?

Proof he sold drugs? Personally I don't think it's a huge deal Obama did coke, as long as he wasn't a junkie...

Do you know anyone who has ever used cocaine? When it comes too 99.9% of people, there isn't ever a difference.

The important thing is which DonVito also mentioned is that he obiviously isn't using these substances anymore. I would hope that everyone look at this part of Obama and learn to forgive.

 

[LegendKiller]

I am glad everybody here is so squeaky clean and perfect that they can say they have never sinned, done drugs, drank too much, abused people, or not led a perfect life in every respect.

It takes a real man to admit that they have made mistakes and are now living as an upstanding citizen. If anything this is a good moral story for a younger generation of lost black kids, who think that you can't succeed because "the man" is keeping you down.

Nothing should stop somebody from growing past their mistakes and becoming anything they want. It's only bigots and moral zealots (who are often more flawed than those they rail against like that moron in CO), that try to suppress people.

 

[lotus503]

The bottom line is there are those who make mistakes and admit them and those that make mistakes and lie to cover them up.

Personally I find Obama's candor to be refreshing and exactly what I have been looking for in a Candidate.

I would rather my leadership have lived through a little bit of lifes ups and downs so they can relate to the common man, than have lead a perfect trouble free existance something I cant imagine to many of us have done.

The only thing that kept Clinton from being one of the greatest leaders in a couple generations is the fact he was a liar.


In Summary his Campaign is not doomed, This man is going to be a force.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: S0Lstice
The bottom line is there are those who make mistakes and admit them and those that make mistakes and lie to cover them up.

QFT:thumbsup:

 

[ThePresence]

Do people really think that the fact that he tried coke once 11 years ago will impact his ability to effectively govern?
Or is it just about the fact that he made a mistake?
Do we only elect men who have never done anything wrong in their lives?
Seriously.

I think his campaign is doomed because people will realize that he is way too inexperienced to be president, he's pretty much out of his league already.

 

[lotus503]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Do people really think that the fact that he tried coke once 11 years ago will impact his ability to effectively govern?
Or is it just about the fact that he made a mistake?
Do we only elect men who have never done anything wrong in their lives?
Seriously.

I think his campaign is doomed because people will realize that he is way too inexperienced to be president, he's pretty much out of his league already.

I cant think of a whole lot of polititians that have made mistakes and admit it prior to being outted.

I agree the lack of exp is going to play a large part, personally I like his visions, the way he thinks, his views on policy.

The united States has not had a real leader in a very long time I cant think of any leader in my lifetime that has inspired me. Maybe lack of exp would be a good thing I sure dont think the status quo has been good for the country

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: S0Lstice
The united States has not had a real leader in a very long time I cant think of any leader in my lifetime that has inspired me. Maybe lack of exp would be a good thing I sure dont think the status quo has been good for the country

I agree with this.
I just don't think Obama is going to be that guy.
I don't think GW is the right man for the job either, I just voted for him because I thought he's better than the alternatives that were running. I continue to believe that.
The last US leader to inspire me was Reagan.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: S0Lstice
The united States has not had a real leader in a very long time I cant think of any leader in my lifetime that has inspired me.

Maybe lack of exp would be a good thing I sure dont think the status quo has been good for the country

Great, I look forward to your vote and support. :thumbsup:

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Sadly, I agree with Donvito. This is unlikely to have much effect. This is not so much a swipe at Obama, but a swipe at America as a country that we now find it acceptable.

Show me your opposition to Bush in 2000 and 2004 over his drug use before you are permitted to use the word "sadly" there. If you're against it, you need to be against it.

He'd have to quote one of his posts from his previous accounts to do it.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Bush is smart because he never admitted to anything.

And it's never been proven either. But, hey, if a few bloggers posted it then it must be true, right?

 

[bamacre]

Bush was a junkie. His poison was just booze. But alcoholism is a disease, and it doesn't go away once an alcoholic stops drinking. Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. One drink could send Bush back to where he was before.

 

[judasmachine]

this never really hurt anyone. the reasons why someone would or wouldn't vote for Obama are already set whether subconcious or not.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Bush is smart because he never admitted to anything.

And it's never been proven either. But, hey, if a few bloggers posted it then it must be true, right?

It's been vetted by one of the largest publishing houses in the world. It would be highly surprising to me (though it's certainly not impossible) that they would bless making such serious accusations against the President of the United States if they hadn't confirmed the accusations with at least a couple of sources. His speech certainly seems consistent with someone with a long-term substance abuse problem - God knows his father was never nearly as inarticulate, nor is his brother Jeb.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I am glad everybody here is so squeaky clean and perfect that they can say they have never sinned, done drugs, drank too much, abused people, or not led a perfect life in every respect.

It takes a real man to admit that they have made mistakes and are now living as an upstanding citizen. If anything this is a good moral story for a younger generation of lost black kids, who think that you can't succeed because "the man" is keeping you down.

Nothing should stop somebody from growing past their mistakes and becoming anything they want. It's only bigots and moral zealots (who are often more flawed than those they rail against like that moron in CO), that try to suppress people.

Look, I have no problem with the occasional sin. What I have a problem is with the hipocracy of the Left on this board. They were up in arms when the bloggers started with the Bush did coke campaign. But, now they're forgiving and defensive as one of their future stars is hit up with the same thing. It's incredulous.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I am glad everybody here is so squeaky clean and perfect that they can say they have never sinned, done drugs, drank too much, abused people, or not led a perfect life in every respect.

It takes a real man to admit that they have made mistakes and are now living as an upstanding citizen. If anything this is a good moral story for a younger generation of lost black kids, who think that you can't succeed because "the man" is keeping you down.

Nothing should stop somebody from growing past their mistakes and becoming anything they want. It's only bigots and moral zealots (who are often more flawed than those they rail against like that moron in CO), that try to suppress people.

Look, I have no problem with the occasional sin. What I have a problem is with the hipocracy of the Left on this board. They were up in arms when the bloggers started with the Bush did coke campaign. But, now they're forgiving and defensive as one of their future stars is hit up with the same thing. It's incredulous.

Only a person or other sentient being can be incredulous.

I think there's a meaningful difference here - Obama used drugs as a teenager, stopped, and went on to staggering educational and professional success (as EIC of the Harvard Law Review, he was arguably the best-credentialed law student in the United States the year he graduated. He is completely open about it.

President Bush, on the other hand, allegedly used drugs into his 40s, and has never been willing to even discuss it. He's very much what 12-steppers call a "dry drunk," in that he has apparently stopped using drugs and alcohol without confronting his underlying problems. Moreover, he, unlike Obama, belongs to the party that purportedly stands for law and order, making it curious indeed that he is the first convicted criminal to serve as President, and that he and his VP have three DUIs between them.