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Obama's birth certificate is a big fat phony! Says Joe Arpaio (again.)

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compuwiz1 said:
Huh?
What's racist about questioning a published document?
If the White House ever published such a document, in the past, of any president, under the same circumstances, I would be asking the same questions. Fuck your race baiting bullshit. I want to know why a computer manufactured document was sold to the public as the genuine article. If evidence has been shown to prove that's a real possibility, why wouldn't one question it and want to get to the truth? Elected officials work for us, not the other way around. History will look back on this and the truth will eventually come out, or be confirmed, as what some already know. I think people in government just chose to look the other way and not take it up, for unknown reasons.
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Because it harkened back to the time of "show me your papers boy" After slaves were freed blacks were stopped in the street and had to show the white man their papers to prove again they were not enslaved.

Add to that, we have never questioned the birthright of any President until the negro.

Goldie Taylor explains it better then I can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anPFSXDgHtM
 
I don't see the birther conspiracy as a racist thing but as a broken reality modeling thing.

My grandmother was institutionalized for paranoid schizophrenia. She was convinced the government was out to get her and was completely consumed by conspiracy theories. She represents an extreme point on the gradient of conspiracy theorists (literal mental illness that results in permanent removal from society). I have two brothers that are conspiracy theorists. They bought into Y2K, the IRS as a conspiracy and also are birthers. They are somewhat functional in society and can model reality pretty well in most regards but their thinking is broken. Just not broken enough to require hospitalization. Basically they are believing irrational things on bad/no evidence and in contradiction to known accepted evidence. They are not correctly using the input/check of the rest of society.
 
bshole said:
I don't see the birther conspiracy as a racist thing but as a broken reality modeling thing.

My grandmother was institutionalized for paranoid schizophrenia. She was convinced the government was out to get her and was completely consumed by conspiracy theories. She represents an extreme point on the gradient of conspiracy theorists (literal mental illness that results in permanent removal from society). I have two brothers that are conspiracy theorists. They bought into Y2K, the IRS as a conspiracy and also are birthers. They are somewhat functional in society and can model reality pretty well in most regards but their thinking is broken. Just not broken enough to require hospitalization. Basically they are believing irrational things on bad/no evidence and in contradiction to known accepted evidence. They are not correctly using the input/check of the rest of society.
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Generally conspiracy theories use some internally consistent reasoning, or otherwise they'd just be random drooling. Birtherism literally makes no sense without the race component. Whether Obama is born in Hawaii or not makes no material difference to his citizenship (as it didn't with McCain), except to people who really don't want some "Kenyan" [& muslim] to officiate over them.
 
agent00f said:
Generally conspiracy theories use some internally consistent reasoning, or otherwise they'd just be random drooling. Birtherism literally makes no sense without the race component. Whether Obama is born in Hawaii or not makes no material difference to his citizenship (as it didn't with McCain), except to people who really don't want some "Kenyan" [& muslim] to officiate over them.
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Birtherism makes no sense WITH or WITHOUT the race component. It is flat out broken thinking. The people who actually believe it's claims are not modeling reality correctly.

You appear to have forgotten the swift boat conspiracy that took down John Kerry (who was white). All the broken thinkers that bought into the birther claims also bought into the swift boat claims.

Or the Clinton (both white) murder conspiracy.... etc...
 
It is interesting the timing of this BS story.

Where was this story before? Why wait a month before the guy leaves office?

Is this another BS news story to keep the people bickering and gossiping?

Man, the media's got everyone fooled.
 
bshole said:
Birtherism makes no sense WITH or WITHOUT the race component. It is flat out broken thinking. The people who actually believe it's claims are not modeling reality correctly.

You appear to have forgotten the swift boat conspiracy that took down John Kerry (who was white). All the broken thinkers that bought into the birther claims also bought into the swift boat claims.

Or the Clinton (both white) murder conspiracy.... etc...
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It actually makes quite some sense for people who don't believe some black guy with african roots is white enough to be a Real american much less president. To see this issue more clearly, ponder if black republicans who might very well believe swiftboat stories are big into birtherism.
 
agent00f said:
It actually makes quite some sense for people who don't believe some black guy with african roots is white enough to be a Real american much less president. To see this issue more clearly, ponder if black republicans who might very well believe swiftboat stories are big into birtherism.
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I could ponder it all day but that would be meaningless. Data would be needed for me to conclude that.

For example I had a front row seat to 8 year investigation of Bill Clinton during his presidency. Rape allegations, murder allegations, stock market manipulation allegations, etc... it was a god-damn blood bath. The birthers were tame in comparison. I am convinced that the conspiracy theories are tools used by the Republicans and a fair amount of their followers buy into them. I wouldn't expect them to give a President a pass just because he is black. You will note that there are no conspiracy theories swirling around black Republican leaders like Powell, Rice or Carson.

I have a high degree of confidence that if Obama had conservative leaning and ran as a Republican, there would of been no birther movement on the Right.

Lastly Obama's presidency was remarkably clean. It was so clean that this pathetic bc issue was the only conspiracy they could come up with against him. Shit they went after Hillary for more stuff than they ever went after Obama in the last eight years.
 
bshole said:
I could ponder it all day but that would be meaningless. Data would be needed for me to conclude that.

For example I had a front row seat to 8 year investigation of Bill Clinton during his presidency. Rape allegations, murder allegations, stock market manipulation allegations, etc... it was a god-damn blood bath. The birthers were tame in comparison. I am convinced that the conspiracy theories are tools used by the Republicans and a fair amount of their followers buy into them. I wouldn't expect them to give a President a pass just because he is black. You will note that there are no conspiracy theories swirling around black Republican leaders like Powell, Rice or Carson.

I have a high degree of confidence that if Obama had conservative leaning and ran as a Republican, there would of been no birther movement on the Right.

Lastly Obama's presidency was remarkably clean. It was so clean that this pathetic bc issue was the only conspiracy they could come up with against him. Shit they went after Hillary for more stuff than they ever went after Obama in the last eight years.
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This is a good point. It wasn't just because he was Black, but that he was a Democrat as well.
 
bshole said:
I could ponder it all day but that would be meaningless. Data would be needed for me to conclude that.

For example I had a front row seat to 8 year investigation of Bill Clinton during his presidency. Rape allegations, murder allegations, stock market manipulation allegations, etc... it was a god-damn blood bath. The birthers were tame in comparison. I am convinced that the conspiracy theories are tools used by the Republicans and a fair amount of their followers buy into them. I wouldn't expect them to give a President a pass just because he is black. You will note that there are no conspiracy theories swirling around black Republican leaders like Powell, Rice or Carson.

I have a high degree of confidence that if Obama had conservative leaning and ran as a Republican, there would of been no birther movement on the Right.
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They're the good ones, the sort you parade on the stage to show not all of them are welfare queens. You should have a high degree of confidence that if Obama were white there would of been no birther movement, even if he were born in africa.

Lastly Obama's presidency was remarkably clean. It was so clean that this pathetic bc issue was the only conspiracy they could come up with against him. Shit they went after Hillary for more stuff than they ever went after Obama in the last eight years.
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You must've not been paying attention. It's just that Obama has charisma teflon against smears, not unlike Bill: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...unting-the-definitive-trump-conspiracy-guide/
 
Hopefully enough gun nuts will hunt down Obama and provide us with vigilante justice for 8 years of misdirection.

My bet is no rightie gun nut has the fucking balls to go anywhere near Obama.
 
agent00f said:
It actually makes quite some sense for people who don't believe some black guy with african roots is white enough to be a Real american much less president. To see this issue more clearly, ponder if black republicans who might very well believe swiftboat stories are big into birtherism.
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But remember, this was totally about opposing deficits and it's totally different than the infrastructure spending that these same conservatives now support because a white (orange) guy is proposing it.

How dare you mention racism.
 
Damn!! All the time I thought Bill Clinton was a Republican, he stole the rights agenda so many times as to make no difference.
 
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