Obama's atomic umbrella: U.S. nuclear strike if Iran nukes Israel

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I don't know how accurate the source is but an interesting readhttp://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1045687.html
U.S. President-elect Barack Obama's administration will offer Israel a "nuclear umbrella" against the threat of a nuclear attack by Iran, a well-placed American source said earlier this week. The source, who is close to the new administration, said the U.S. will declare that an attack on Israel by Tehran would result in a devastating U.S. nuclear response against Iran.

But America's nuclear guarantee to Israel could also be interpreted as a sign the U.S. believes Iran will eventually acquire nuclear arms.
Secretary of state-designate Hillary Clinton had raised the idea of a nuclear guarantee to Israel during her campaign for the Democratic Party's nomination for the presidency. During a debate with Obama in April, Clinton said that Israel and Arab countries must be given "deterrent backing." She added, "Iran must know that an attack on Israel will draw a massive response."
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Clinton also proposed that the American nuclear umbrella be extended to other countries in the region, like Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, if they agree to relinquish their own nuclear ambitions.

According to the same source, the nuclear guarantee would be backed by a new and improved Israeli anti-ballistic missile system. The Bush administration took the first step by deploying an early-warning radar system in the Negev, which hones the ability to detect Iranian ballistic missiles.

Obama said this week that he would negotiate with Iran and would offer economic incentives for Tehran to relinquish its nuclear program. He warned that if Iran refused the deal, he would act to intensify sanctions against the Islamic Republic.

Granting Israel a nuclear guarantee essentially suggests the U.S. is willing to come to terms with a nuclear Iran. For its part, Israel opposes any such development and similar opposition was voiced by officials in the outgoing Bush administration.

"What is the significance of such guarantee when it comes from those who hesitated to deal with a non-nuclear Iran?" asked a senior Israeli security source. "What kind of credibility would this [guarantee have] when Iran is nuclear-capable?"

The same source noted that the fact that there is talk about the possibility of a nuclear Iran undermines efforts to prevent Tehran from acquiring such arms.

A senior Bush administration source said that the proposal for an American nuclear umbrella for Israel was ridiculous and lacked credibility. "Who will convince the citizen in Kansas that the U.S. needs to get mixed up in a nuclear war because Haifa was bombed? And what is the point of an American response, after Israel's cities are destroyed in an Iranian nuclear strike?"

The current debate is taking place in light of the Military Intelligence assessment that Iran has passed beyond the point of no return, and has mastered the technology of uranium enrichment. The decision to proceed toward the development of nuclear arms is now purely a matter for Iran's leaders to decide. Intelligence assessments, however, suggest that the Iranians are trying to first accumulate larger quantities of fissile material, and this offers a window of opportunity for a last-ditch diplomatic effort to prevent an Iranian bomb.
 

bamacre

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Of course Iran will obtain nukes, there's no way to stop them. But no, they won't use them against Israel, that's absurd. Israel has enough nukes to defend herself.
 

magomago

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Meh Iran will never use nukes.

and LOL at Clinton's idea. Give Israel nuclear backing even though they have their own nukes....and give other Arab states the same backing, if they promise to give up nuclear ambitions.

IMO this is really about letting rabid Israel supporters feel good. I don't think our administration seriously believes Iranian Political leadership would risk their rule by attacking Israel. Definitely more of a psy-ops type announcement ;)
 

SammyJr

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Could be worse. The other guy would already have attacked Iran and killed many Americans doing so.
 

JS80

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Useless guarantee. Israel already has nukes they can retaliate with. Iran would not "directly" nuke Israel. Some terror group would "steal" the bomb and sneak it in. What then? Just nuke the entire region in retaliation because you can't prove it? Or do nothing, and make the guarantee useless?
 

Lemon law

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I have to agree that Iran will never use Nukes as a first strike option. As it is, we don't even know if Iran wants nuclear energy for electric power generation
or may rely on the precedent that no nuclear armed country has ever been attacked, a non trivial distinction given the US has had an Iran hostile foreign policy for too many years, and a Cheney type driven snit against Iran has driven the US policy for the past 30 years.

Sadly, even that precedent that no nuclear armed country being invulnerable has hardly saved Pakistan from being destabilized.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Of course Iran will obtain nukes, there's no way to stop them. But no, they won't use them against Israel, that's absurd. Israel has enough nukes to defend herself.
This. I agree with it and have said it before, too. Iran will not launch nuclear missiles, just as NK hasn't. It will use them to ensure its defense against foreign aggression, as NK has done to great effect. And also the nukes will give it more clout at a negotiation table. Iran, for all its Islamic bluster is, I think (hope?) not stupid enough to sign its death warrant as launching a missile would unequivocally and very quickly do. We all know this.

 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Of course Iran will obtain nukes, there's no way to stop them. But no, they won't use them against Israel, that's absurd. Israel has enough nukes to defend herself.

Israel is sure going to try and stop them. They may not be able to destroy it, but they can set it back years.


If you dont believe them and have any knowledge of Iraq and Syria, I dont know what to tell you.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Aimster
why would they launch a nuclear attack against Israel?
They r not at war.

They hate Jews and the Jewish state maybe?


Are you really that dense?
 

Aimster

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They hate Jews? There are 30,000 Jews inside Iran right now. They are not guarded. They are not protected. If people wanted to murder them they could easily do so. If a member of the govt hated Jews so much all he had to do was go outside a Synagogue and shoot one in the head.

Israel is too late to attack Iran. It's over. There will be no attack on Iran. Iran has everything they need to build a bomb. All they need to do is figure out how to build one.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: magomago
Meh Iran will never use nukes.

and LOL at Clinton's idea. Give Israel nuclear backing even though they have their own nukes....and give other Arab states the same backing, if they promise to give up nuclear ambitions.

IMO this is really about letting rabid Israel supporters feel good. I don't think our administration seriously believes Iranian Political leadership would risk their rule by attacking Israel. Definitely more of a psy-ops type announcement ;)

Just because people support Israel doen`t mean they are "rabid".......your using that terminology implies your an idiot!
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Of course Iran will obtain nukes, there's no way to stop them. But no, they won't use them against Israel, that's absurd. Israel has enough nukes to defend herself.

Israel is sure going to try and stop them. They may not be able to destroy it, but they can set it back years.


If you dont believe them and have any knowledge of Iraq and Syria, I dont know what to tell you.

YES!! I agree Israel will launch a pre-emtive raid in the near future
KGO radio had a expert on the middle east who stated in no uncertain terms that people he talks to who are on the inside say that Israel has had for quite a while the capability to strike Iran without anybodys help!

In fact one of the reason the US has become so friendly with Israel over the years is because whatever we give or sell to Israel they always make huge improvements. Thus it is in our best interest militarily to be close to Israel!! Regardless of what the anti-Israel idiots say!!
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Of course Iran will obtain nukes, there's no way to stop them. But no, they won't use them against Israel, that's absurd. Israel has enough nukes to defend herself.

Israel is sure going to try and stop them. They may not be able to destroy it, but they can set it back years.


If you dont believe them and have any knowledge of Iraq and Syria, I dont know what to tell you.

YES!! I agree Israel will launch a pre-emtive raid in the near future
KGO radio had a expert on the middle east who stated in no uncertain terms that people he talks who are on the inside say that Israel has had for wuite a while the capability to strike Iran without anybodys help!

In fact one of the reason the US has become so friendly with Israel over the years is because whatever we give or sell to Israel they always make huge improvements. Thus it is in our best interest militarily to be close to Israel!! Regardless of what the anti-Israel idiots say!!
We have heard now for years that Israel would strike Iran. It still may happen, but that wolf has been cried about many times.

Surely the US does not invent and then give technology to Israel so that it can improve it; it seems hard to believe that if Israel needed the US to give it to it that it's a continual and ubiquitous improver of technology that is beyond its ability to create in the first place.

 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: JS80
Useless guarantee. Israel already has nukes they can retaliate with. Iran would not "directly" nuke Israel. Some terror group would "steal" the bomb and sneak it in. What then? Just nuke the entire region in retaliation because you can't prove it? Or do nothing, and make the guarantee useless?

nuclear residue is pretty easily traceable by my understanding
 

Modelworks

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We need to sell every country a missile defense system. Maybe we could put some people back to work. Offer them a free radar array with every purchase.

 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: Aimster
They hate Jews? There are 30,000 Jews inside Iran right now. They are not guarded. They are not protected. If people wanted to murder them they could easily do so. If a member of the govt hated Jews so much all he had to do was go outside a Synagogue and shoot one in the head.

Israel is too late to attack Iran. It's over. There will be no attack on Iran. Iran has everything they need to build a bomb. All they need to do is figure out how to build one.

The point of having a nuke is not to use them. Its so others can't use them against you without fear of retaliation.
 

ericlp

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First I highly doubt the US would do a fucking thing if Iran attacked with nukes.

What good would it do? You'd just add more nuclear fall out to the world and watch it spread across other nations. Joy!!! How stupid could you get? Yeah, it's just a feel good story. We might send a few predators out that way for clean up missions.

 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: ericlp
First I highly doubt the US would do a fucking thing if Iran attacked with nukes.

What good would it do? You'd just add more nuclear fall out to the world and watch it spread across other nations. Joy!!! How stupid could you get? Yeah, it's just a feel good story. We might send a few predators out that way for clean up missions.

You obviously do not know of what you speak.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Of course Iran will obtain nukes, there's no way to stop them. But no, they won't use them against Israel, that's absurd. Israel has enough nukes to defend herself.

Israel is sure going to try and stop them. They may not be able to destroy it, but they can set it back years.


If you dont believe them and have any knowledge of Iraq and Syria, I dont know what to tell you.

YES!! I agree Israel will launch a pre-emtive raid in the near future
KGO radio had a expert on the middle east who stated in no uncertain terms that people he talks who are on the inside say that Israel has had for wuite a while the capability to strike Iran without anybodys help!

In fact one of the reason the US has become so friendly with Israel over the years is because whatever we give or sell to Israel they always make huge improvements. Thus it is in our best interest militarily to be close to Israel!! Regardless of what the anti-Israel idiots say!!
We have heard now for years that Israel would strike Iran. It still may happen, but that wolf has been cried about many times.

Surely the US does not invent and then give technology to Israel so that it can improve it; it seems hard to believe that if Israel needed the US to give it to it that it's a continual and ubiquitous improver of technology that is beyond its ability to create in the first place.
As usual yopu are mininterpreting what you rerad.....
Depends on how you look at things.....
I did not say that the US invents weapons to give to Israel to improve them or even test them.
When you are a nation who fights everyday for its independance you take what you buy or are given and you improve upon them.
I have read somewhere that Israel has improved upon radar systems as well as other military items.
You must rememeber just because something is used by the US Military does not necessarily mean that it cannot be improved upon.
Why spend money on research and developement when the US makes sure that Israel has the very newest and latest techonology...
 
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Whoa!!
So Obama has balls. Good to hear. My approval rating of him has just increased a lot. Not that mine matters...
 

ericlp

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: ericlp
First I highly doubt the US would do a fucking thing if Iran attacked with nukes.

What good would it do? You'd just add more nuclear fall out to the world and watch it spread across other nations. Joy!!! How stupid could you get? Yeah, it's just a feel good story. We might send a few predators out that way for clean up missions.

You obviously do not know of what you speak.

So Iran fires 500 nukes into Israel, then Israel fires back 5000 nukes @ Iran. Both countries totally whipped out. Our problems are solved...! Whoooho! Now, That is unlikely that anyone will fire nukes but in case it did that is about what would happen.

How is the USA going to make the situation any better when we launch our own nukes at Iran ??? It's already gone... What good would that do?

Enlighten me about what I don't know.

 

Hayabusa Rider

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This isn't so much about protecting Israel as much as giving notice to Iran that using it's nukes will have very bad consequences. While in theory they might use then against another country it's not nearly as likely as an attack on Israel.