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Obama's 12/6 Kansas speech

There are a few most important speeches by Presidents IMO.

Among them I think are JFK's speeches on ending the cold war on June 10, 1963, and civil rights as a moral issue for the nation, that same month; FDR's second bill of rights; Eisenhower's warning against the excesses of the military-industrial-congressional complex; and this speech by Roosevelt Obama was honoring speaking for putting the rights of man ahead of the rights of property and ending the influence of corporations in politics.

Sadly, only the civil rights speech has largely come to be enacted of these speeches.

The call for limiting the power of property in politics in Roosevelt's speech has gotten worse, not corrected. We have not adopted the global Peace Kennedy called for. We have not adopted the economic bill of rights FDR called for. The military-industrial-congressional complex, the 'security state', is in ways worse than ever, with the new bill approved by the Senate just this week to declare the country a 'battlefield' so as to justify removing the rights of citizens and allow them to get 'military justice'.

Obama choosing to honor this speech is the sort of message that is a reminder why he is such a better choice than any of the Republicans, Obama at some of his best.

Obama falls short on some of these issues, as did Teddy Roosevelt - among other things pursuing a pointless massacre in occupying the Philippines. But it's so much better to have leaders who have some support for these issues than those who are the employees of the 'economic royals' and the enemy of the public.

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Unfortunately, I actually took the time to watch the speech. Just pretty much the same garbage, lapped up eagerly by the adoring media cult followers.

blah blah fair share blah blah greed blah blah I'm wonderful blah blah republicans bad socialism good blah blah.

He's been doing this since he was placed on the post, just more worthless banter trying desperately to cling to a position he's clearly not able to handle.
 
Did he say if he was actually going to get involved with our failing economy or was he just going to continue to show no leadership and punt it off to congress and blame the Republicans for the next 4 years?
 
He is right about this part:

Obama said:
Now, in the midst of this debate, there are some who seem to be suffering from a kind of collective amnesia.
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People are starting to forget that he promised to fix all this stuff years ago...and is now making the same promises a second time.
 
Fear No Evil said:
Did he say if he was actually going to get involved with our failing economy or was he just going to continue to show no leadership and punt it off to congress and blame the Republicans for the next 4 years?
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If an 'any party' president tries to resolve\address issues, based on this person's beliefs, but congress' majority is of the opposing party and a lot of things get blocked/filibustered, does that make the president not involved or lacking in leadership?

Should an 'any party' president carry all the burden of the current state of 'something' when it was already in a huge fall before taking office? If someone else was president, would everything be his\her fault too?...I suspect nobody would have done better.

Or do we simply label a president to be not involved just because one does not share the same point of view?
 
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I would give Obama more leeway if he honestly tried to fill those promises. He did not. As CIC of the military, he has full control over closing the GitMo prison and bringing combat troops home. No one can stop him from waiting to sign bills. No one can prevent him from having a transparent administration.

That is why I focus on these four major campaign promises. He has 100% control over all of them.

The GitMo one is the only one where Congress could give pushback, and they did by saying "Not in my state" to all 50 states. He could have moved them to another overseas military base, though...but he did not even try.
 
I agree 100% it was a great speech indeed! I posted about this earlier today but I like your OP better because you included video!

Please Rightist out there lt what part of the speech you disagree with and back them up with links to disprove the POTUS comments.
 
He used the word "fair" 17 times throughout that speech. Makes you think he actually plans on doing something about everything being so "unfair". Oh wait, nothing to see here but partisan rhetoric, as per usual.

When are people going to realize that they are given a fair OPPORTUNITY and that does not translate to a GUARANTEE to success. If the result of your opportunity is failure, that isn't unfair, actually quite the contrary since you had the same chance to succeed as everyone else. Giving a guarantee to certain people that they won't fail, now that's unfair.
 
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Good speech, I watched most of it yesterday. But now I want to see action taken. But right now with the republicans idiot continuation of ideas that have already been tested to not work based on purely emotion. I don't expect them to move as reality means nothing to them, they will ignore anything that goes against what they already believe.
 
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Good speech, I watched most of it yesterday. But now I want to see action taken. But right now with the republicans idiot continuation of ideas that have already been tested to not work based on purely emotion. I don't expect them to move as reality means nothing to them, they will ignore anything that goes against what they already believe.
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Most good things the government has done for a century had Democrat super majorities.
 
Paul98 said:
Good speech, I watched most of it yesterday. But now I want to see action taken. But right now with the republicans idiot continuation of ideas that have already been tested to not work based on purely emotion. I don't expect them to move as reality means nothing to them, they will ignore anything that goes against what they already believe.
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So you want to see action taken, so do I, but why not put that on the guy who just made the speech instead of, in the very next sentence, immediately blaming Republicans for what Obama said he would do. Obama has said all this before, and you can say Congress has not made it possible, but that argument only works if the President actually led and tried to do the things he preaches instead of doing nothing and sitting back and complaining about none of his ideas happening. You want something done, do it yourself. Many outside of Washington have figured this out, its a pity that he hasn't.
 
I will have to listen to it...I skimmed the transcript.

Was it a very well spoken speech...a rousing one? They are always interesting to listen to. That is one thing Obama is good at. When someone else tells him what to say, and he can read it off a teleprompter, he can make it sound exciting.

I wish he read the speeches beforehand, then things like him thanking himself for the St. Patrics Day celebration would not have happened (he read someone else's lines and never noticed - even after he thanked himself). But that comes with starting to care about who you are talking to. I suspect he will read the speeches during the campaign season, since he wants to keep his job and we all know his own self is the most important thing he cares about.
 
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So you want to see action taken, so do I, but why not put that on the guy who just made the speech instead of, in the very next sentence, immediately blaming Republicans for what Obama said he would do. Obama has said all this before, and you can say Congress has not made it possible, but that argument only works if the President actually led and tried to do the things he preaches instead of doing nothing and sitting back and complaining about none of his ideas happening. You want something done, do it yourself. Many outside of Washington have figured this out, its a pity that he hasn't.
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I think you have a point there...he is the only POTUS that has EVER had a speech writer. I also think he reads it over before he gives it to an audience too. 🙄


Some famous political speechwriters include:
Judson T. Welliver wrote for President Warren G. Harding in 1921 and is considered the first official presidential speechwriter.[3] However Alexander Hamilton may have written speeches for George Washington.[citation needed]
Theodore "Ted" Sorenson wrote for President John F. Kennedy.
Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. wrote for President John F. Kennedy.
Richard N. Goodwin wrote for Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson.
Pat Buchanan wrote for President Richard Nixon.
Ben Stein wrote for President Richard Nixon.
William Safire wrote for President Richard Nixon.
Robert Hartmann wrote for President Gerald R. Ford.
Chris Matthews wrote for President Jimmy Carter.
James Fallows wrote for President Jimmy Carter.[4]
Peggy Noonan wrote for Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.
Christopher Buckley wrote for President George H.W. Bush.
Tony Snow wrote for President George H.W. Bush.
Michael Waldman served Director of Speechwriting for President Bill Clinton from 1995 to 1999 .
Robert Lehrman [1] wrote for Vice President Al Gore.
Charlie Fern wrote for First Lady Laura Bush and President George W. Bush
David Frum wrote for President George W. Bush.
Michael Gerson wrote for President George W. Bush.
William McGurn (former Wall Street Journal editorial writer) replaced Michael Gerson as chief speechwriter for President George W. Bush.
Marc Thiessen replaced William McGurn an Assistant to President George W. Bush for Speechwriting.
Jon Favreau is the Director of Speechwriting for the administration of President Barack Obama.
Additionally, Philip Collins wrote for British Prime Minister Tony Blair, and Don Watson wrote for Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speechwriter#Famous_speechwriters
 
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xBiffx said:
He used the word "fair" 17 times throughout that speech. Makes you think he actually plans on doing something about everything being so "unfair". Oh wait, nothing to see here but partisan rhetoric, as per usual.

When are people going to realize that they are given a fair OPPORTUNITY and that does not translate to a GUARANTEE to success. If the result of your opportunity is failure, that isn't unfair, actually quite the contrary since you had the same chance to succeed as everyone else. Giving a guarantee to certain people that they won't fail, now that's unfair.
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I find it hilarious that you bring this up because right now the only people that are given a guarantee that they won't fail are the 1%. The situation in this country has made it significantly more difficult for the average American to succeed and has done what they can to guarantee the 1% don't fail. And then you have the Republican policies where they want to make it even more likely the 1% won't fail while making it as close to possible as a guarantee that everyone else will fail.

It was a good speech. He tried to not be very partisan. He praised ideas championed by a Republican President. And then you have people like FearNoEvil and PokerGuy who are so insanely partisan that they wouldn't agree with him no matter what he said because the second he talks they just see red. Do the two of you realize that your thoughts, your attitudes, your actions are the problem in this nation? You're both so ... limited in your views and yet loud in your anger that you cause the problems this nation have. Literally as long as people like you exist and choose to yell your loudest there will be more problems than answers in this nation.
 
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