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rudeguy

rudeguy

Lifer
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monovillage said:
No you shouldn't, never believe one word that fucking asshole Obama says from now on.
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Oldgamer

Oldgamer

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Matt1970

Matt1970

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eskimospy said:
Your comparison was transparently ridiculous to begin with. Comparing president to president is pretty obviously a better comparison than president to deceptive filmmaker.

You pretty obviously dodged my question so I'll ask it again:

So now that I've said that Obama has been a liar on numerous occasions, will you admit that O'Keefe is a serial liar who should not be trusted? If O'Keefe is a serial liar, what do you think that says about this latest production of his?
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I don't know enough about O'Keefe to call him a serial liar. But you are right, someone would have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe a serial liar.
 
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fskimospy

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Matt1970 said:
I don't know enough about O'Keefe to call him a serial liar. But you are right, someone would have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe a serial liar.
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Since you're commenting in a thread about his work, why not go learn something about him and get back to us? How long would you like? We can wait.

I am interested to hear what sources you do not consider serial liars, btw. Can you list a few?
 
Matt1970

Matt1970

Lifer
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eskimospy said:
Since you're commenting in a thread about his work, why not go learn something about him and get back to us? How long would you like? We can wait.

I am interested to hear what sources you do not consider serial liars, btw. Can you list a few?
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That would be straying off topic. The topic at hand is O'Keefe and his video. You are the one calling him a serial liar. Prove what he said was wrong or shut your pie hole.
 
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fskimospy

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Matt1970 said:
That would be straying off topic. The topic at hand is O'Keefe and his video. You are the one calling him a serial liar. Prove what he said was wrong or shut your pie hole.
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That would not be off topic, nor do I need to prove what he said wrong. There is large amounts of well documented information on the fundamental dishonesty of his prior work. I find no need to prove his latest work wrong as he has lost the benefit of the doubt due to prior dishonesty.

What's frankly bizarre is that you think that if someone is a proven liar that the next time he shows up with a new allegation that it's still everyone else's job to prove him wrong.

This is a very convenient and very transparent dodge by the way. You claim you know nothing about the person in question so you can't say if he's a liar or not. Then you refuse to go learn something about the person so you can make that judgement, and then you pretend that he isn't a liar so we still have to treat his work as credible.

I think that's all pretty clear evidence that you don't really care if the guy is credible or not. He's just telling you what you want to hear so you are afraid of having that bubble threatened.
 
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BUnit1701

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yllus said:
Even if the claims are 100% true, it's kind of hard for me to work up outrage when these navigators are essentially trying to help people get health care at as low a cost as possible. Lying, yes, but helpful lying?
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Helpful for who? The liars. Those of us who tell the truth will be paying extra to make up for their deceits. Great system. :whiste:
 
Matt1970

Matt1970

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eskimospy said:
That would not be off topic, nor do I need to prove what he said wrong. There is large amounts of well documented information on the fundamental dishonesty of his prior work. I find no need to prove his latest work wrong as he has lost the benefit of the doubt due to prior dishonesty.

What's frankly bizarre is that you think that if someone is a proven liar that the next time he shows up with a new allegation that it's still everyone else's job to prove him wrong.

This is a very convenient and very transparent dodge by the way. You claim you know nothing about the person in question so you can't say if he's a liar or not. Then you refuse to go learn something about the person so you can make that judgement, and then you pretend that he isn't a liar so we still have to treat his work as credible.

I think that's all pretty clear evidence that you don't really care if the guy is credible or not. He's just telling you what you want to hear so you are afraid of having that bubble threatened.
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I am just going to take your word on it and go with what you said before how someone would have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe a serial liar.
 
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There is really no need for the back and forth argument between liberals and conservatives as to which side distorts reality when faced with data that would expose either side to unpleasant realizations. It has been scientifically proven that conservatives are the most defective in this area. It has been proven also, they will deny it despite the scientific proof. These poor assholes are crazy and there's nothing anybody can do about it. Arguing with then just makes them better and better at being nuts. You simply have to write them off as hopeless. The fact that they embarrass themselves is invisible to them because they can't allow themselves to feel shame. You can only be aware of how dangerous their psychosis is and hope enough people without extreme brain defects are around to vote them out of office. Those who live in a bubble of psychosis will always eventually overplay their hand by speaking openly of extreme delusions to normal people as if they were real. Anybody who is not similarly defective will catch on eventually. Liberals are lucky that conservatives will be the last people to ever see the extent of their disease.

And don't forget, these folk are sick because they had to be. Under different circumstances their defect is a survival asset and if conditions change we will all need their help.
 
monovillage

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Oldgamer said:
FAUX news lost all credibility with me a long time ago. I don't believe any of the things they report anymore because it's all sensationalist and always misrepresentation of facts every damn time. This is just more BS trying to sabotage ACA.
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Barack Obama lost all credibility with me a long time ago. I don't believe anything he says any longer because he's been caught in so many lies trying to push ACA.
 
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fskimospy

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Matt1970 said:
I am just going to take your word on it and go with what you said before how someone would have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe a serial liar.
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This is just getting sad. The idea that you would try to compare the president to a documentary filmmaker is simply stupid. The fact that you can't bring yourself to admit that a guy who is telling you things you want to hear might be lying to you is pathetic.
 
Matt1970

Matt1970

Lifer
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eskimospy said:
This is just getting sad. The idea that you would try to compare the president to a documentary filmmaker is simply stupid. The fact that you can't bring yourself to admit that a guy who is telling you things you want to hear might be lying to you is pathetic.
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You are absolutely correct. One lying to you has drastically more impact on your life than the other. They should not be compared :)
 
Matt1970

Matt1970

Lifer
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Moonbeam said:
There is really no need for the back and forth argument between liberals and conservatives as to which side distorts reality when faced with data that would expose either side to unpleasant realizations. It has been scientifically proven that conservatives are the most defective in this area. It has been proven also, they will deny it despite the scientific proof. These poor assholes are crazy and there's nothing anybody can do about it. Arguing with then just makes them better and better at being nuts. You simply have to write them off as hopeless. The fact that they embarrass themselves is invisible to them because they can't allow themselves to feel shame. You can only be aware of how dangerous their psychosis is and hope enough people without extreme brain defects are around to vote them out of office. Those who live in a bubble of psychosis will always eventually overplay their hand by speaking openly of extreme delusions to normal people as if they were real. Anybody who is not similarly defective will catch on eventually. Liberals are lucky that conservatives will be the last people to ever see the extent of their disease.

And don't forget, these folk are sick because they had to be. Under different circumstances their defect is a survival asset and if conditions change we will all need their help.
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So now you have added "assholes" to your usual blithering. What word will it be next month? I can hardly wait.
 
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Moonbeam

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Matt1970 said:
So now you have added "assholes" to your usual blithering. What word will it be next month? I can hardly wait.
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It was there to focus your attention on how you feel rather than thinking about what I said. I can't have you go thinking on me after I've claimed your brain dead.

PS: Asshole.

PPS: Pay no attention to the fact that your brain defect was what allowed you to survive and that we may need it if conditions change. Never let anything good be said about you because, you know you're worthless and it would only be a trick I was trying to pull on you.
 
rudeguy

rudeguy

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Moonbeam said:
It was there to focus your attention on how you feel rather than thinking about what I said. I can't have you go thinking on me after I've claimed your brain dead.

PS: Asshole.

PPS: Pay no attention to the fact that your brain defect was what allowed you to survive and that we may need it if conditions change. Never let anything good be said about you because, you know you're worthless and it would only be a trick I was trying to pull on you.
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Moony, I don't think you and I would agree on what color the sky is let alone political stuff but I damn sure enjoy your posts.
 
MomentsofSanity

MomentsofSanity

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Incorruptible said:
Got anything useful to add?
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And what have you added to this thread exactly? You threw out a claim about ACORN and were asked to provide proof of your claim. You've chosen not to. Every other post has been insults.

I'm also certain you will completely ignore the request to support your claim, but I again challenge you to show that ACORN did wrong as you claimed.

You want to talk about others contributing nothing, evidence your claim as being of substance.
 
Matt1970

Matt1970

Lifer
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Moonbeam said:
It was there to focus your attention on how you feel rather than thinking about what I said. I can't have you go thinking on me after I've claimed your brain dead.

PS: Asshole.

PPS: Pay no attention to the fact that your brain defect was what allowed you to survive and that we may need it if conditions change. Never let anything good be said about you because, you know you're worthless and it would only be a trick I was trying to pull on you.
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Poor Moonbeam, you think people actually take you seriously.
 
rudder

rudder

Lifer
Nov 9, 2000
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cyclohexane said:
Sounds like good advice. Seriously, who the hell is going to write down smoking just to get higher premiums?

This is the real world bro. The op must live in a fantasy land, false outrage.
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Well with private insurance if you lie about that and end up getting treated for a smoking related illness.... the insurance company can deny you benefits based on you lying.

Seriously most honest people would be forthcoming with that information. Your response reveals quite a lot about attitudes of entitlement.
 
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