Obamacare navigators caught telling people to lie on their application

[Moonbeam]

Poor Moonbeam, you think people actually take you seriously.

What do you take me for, a person who only cares about people capable of seriousness? Who's going to care of your fellow mentally impaired? Your ideas about seriousness are as fucked up as everything else that's the product of your inability to reason. Just because you have a brain defect that won't allow you to process truths that are unpleasant, doesn't make those truths false, you poor thing. You need to start with small bites and chew thoroughly.

 

[HomerJS]

lol @ this thread becoming save the Acorn thread. Yes, lets ignore the fact that the govt appointed navigators are lying, its totally forgivable as its part of the new hip, and politically correct mantra, And while we are at its lets save Acorn's face too as its a part of the same machinery. Continue with this and after another 8 years are Clinton followed by 8 years of Obama, there will be no one the pull the wagon

Let's ignore the fact James O'Keefe is lying. He has already been busted multiple times and Fox still sucks his dick??

 

[boomerang]

Let's ignore the fact James O'Keefe is lying. He has already been busted multiple times and Fox still sucks his dick??

Says the man that's got Obama's tickling his tonsils...

One fired, three suspended after undercover health care video

 

[rudeguy]

Let's ignore the fact James O'Keefe is lying. He has already been busted multiple times and Fox still sucks his dick??

but we should ignore the fact that Obama has been caught lying many, many times?

 

[boomerang]

Sounds like good advice. Seriously, who the hell is going to write down smoking just to get higher premiums?

This is the real world bro. The op must live in a fantasy land, false outrage.

If you participate in the For Sale/Trade Forum I want to know so I can remember not to do any deals with you. Do you?

 

[Matt1970]

What do you take me for, a person who only cares about people capable of seriousness? Who's going to care of your fellow mentally impaired? Your ideas about seriousness are as fucked up as everything else that's the product of your inability to reason. Just because you have a brain defect that won't allow you to process truths that are unpleasant, doesn't make those truths false, you poor thing. You need to start with small bites and chew thoroughly.

I will take my inability to reason over your inability to come up with more than one thought.

 

[werepossum]

Says the man that's got Obama's tickling his tonsils...

One fired, three suspended after undercover health care video

So I suppose O'Keefe has been vindicated. Still, the Urban League has a point; with his history, he should always release the unedited video. (Though it's worth pointing out that the story about ACORN reporting the supposed forced underage prostitution was a claim well after the fact that she reported it to her cousin who is a cop, not filing a complaint or taking it outside of family.)

I will take my inability to reason over your inability to come up with more than one thought.

LOL

 

[zinfamous]

but we should ignore the fact that Obama has been caught lying many, many times?

It's worked for everyone...since, forever we have elected presidents.

"I don't recall...." ....Well, I do recall that retard


anyway, doesn't make any of it it right.

Obama pisses me off wrg to: NSA/drones--shit like that. That is BAD.

His failure to realize early on that policies in the ACA could probably lead to some insurance companies cancelling certain policies is not a lie--it's poor judgement/poor foresight.

lying about selling weapons to our enemies. that shit is bad. Lying about spying on our citizens. that is bad.


The ACA is here to stay. It isn't perfect, but it's miles and miles better than the shitstorm before. So we're just going to have to accept it and adapt. Even if it was perfect rainbows and fairies and unicorns, the switchover would still be rocky.

Republicans need to actually work to fix it if they want to be relevant. Their non idea of burning the house down is a non-starter. I mean this kind of horseshit sells well to the drooling plebs, but all it reveals is that they have no ideas.

 

[boomerang]

The ACA is here to stay. It isn't perfect, but it's miles and miles better than the shitstorm before.

That's a dishonest statement. An honest statement would be, it's theoretically miles and miles better than the shitstorm before. You can't just focus on the small good and ignore the ginormous bad. And the good may end up biting us on the ass when it's all said and done. Your positive attitude is admirable though.

 

[werepossum]

It's worked for everyone...since, forever we have elected presidents.

"I don't recall...." ....Well, I do recall that retard


anyway, doesn't make any of it it right.

Obama pisses me off wrg to: NSA/drones--shit like that. That is BAD.

His failure to realize early on that policies in the ACA could probably lead to some insurance companies cancelling certain policies is not a lie--it's poor judgement/poor foresight.

lying about selling weapons to our enemies. that shit is bad. Lying about spying on our citizens. that is bad.


The ACA is here to stay. It isn't perfect, but it's miles and miles better than the shitstorm before. So we're just going to have to accept it and adapt. Even if it was perfect rainbows and fairies and unicorns, the switchover would still be rocky.

Republicans need to actually work to fix it if they want to be relevant. Their non idea of burning the house down is a non-starter. I mean this kind of horseshit sells well to the drooling plebs, but all it reveals is that they have no ideas.

Negative. Obamacare itself contains estimates of the millions of people who would lose their health insurance due to the law itself - it has to, for the CBO to score it. It's a lie, pure and simple.

Not that I'm terribly worked up over it. Politicians lie. Obama lies to sell his government take-over, other politicians lie to oppose his government take-over. It's the nature of the beast. I can't recall a national level politician directly removed for a political lie since GHWB, and had he not raised taxes, he probably wouldn't have lost any support just for lying.

 

[Pens1566]

Got anything useful to add?

You, of all posters, having the nerve to post the above is utterly ridiculous.

 

[zinfamous]

That's a dishonest statement. An honest statement would be, it's theoretically miles and miles better than the shitstorm before. You can't just focus on the small good and ignore the ginormous bad. And the good may end up biting us on the ass when it's all said and done. Your positive attitude is admirable though.

it's either theoretically good or theoretically bad--anyone's assumption of it leading to a disaster is purely based on assumptions of how some numbers will play out.

And both arguments use their own numbers to come to very different conclusions

It hasn't come into effect, so no one can honestly say that it is a disaster at this point, or point to a factual basis that it will be a disaster. That's as dishonest as can be.

I lean toward the theoreticals that I like about the ACA: the fact that removing hundreds of thousands of uninsured people from the emergency room to urgent care will vastly reduce costs for everyone--it will. People bitch and bitch and bitch that they will be paying for poor people's health care, or old people's health care, without a single god damn rational understanding that they have been doing this their entire lives paying into any insurance. Point is, it will theoretically be cheaper, once overall costs drop.

That is the idea, anyway. For it to work--it will certainly take time to realize any benefits. That's the point. Anyone who thinks these things magically happen over night is a flying idiot. And anyone who believes in their hearts that disaster is inevitable is no less idiotic than the people they seem to despise (those who believe without a doubt that it is the savior of the US).


if it's ginormous bad--show me where. and show me where your predictions of ginormous bad are the only direction that it takes. A large part of reform is shaking the applecart. It is supposed to be ugly at first.

The most recent bi-partisan congressional budget committee estimated a surplus of 100 billion dollars after 10 years of the ACA. I wonder where the bad is in that? or at least--the disaster that is supposed to see the fed bankrupt?

 

[monovillage]

Speaking of lying.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/why-we-lied-to-obama-20131113

Americans told President Obama in 2012, "If you like your popularity, you can keep it."

We lied.

Well, at least we didn't tell him the whole truth. What we meant to say was that Obama could keep the support of a majority of Americans unless he broke our trust. Throughout his first term, even as his job-approval rating cycled up and down, one thing remained constant: Polls showed that most Americans trusted Obama.

As they say in Washington, that is no longer operable.
A new Quinnipiac University poll shows for the first time that a majority of Americans (52 percent) don't think the president is honest and trustworthy. His previous lowest mark came on May 30, when 47 percent said he couldn't be trusted. In a related finding, only 39 percent of the public approves of Obama's job performance.

This follows recent polls by Gallup and NBC News/Wall Street Journal showing Obama's approval ratings at the lowest levels of his presidency. Obama's second term is on the same downward trajectory as President George W. Bush's.
.....................
Like his predecessor, Obama seems to be taking his credibility for granted. The Benghazi attack, the seizure of telephone records from the Associated Press, the IRS's investigations of political groups, the National Security Agency's massive domestic-spying operation, the "red line" in Syria, and now Obamacare—the White House responded to every controversy or quasi-scandal with changing explanations, distortion, or outright deception.

Predictably, the public is starting to doubt the word of the president and his team

 

[loganone]

The most recent bi-partisan congressional budget committee estimated a surplus of 100 billion dollars after 10 years of the ACA. I wonder where the bad is in that? or at least--the disaster that is supposed to see the fed bankrupt?

Perhaps you've read something different but the latest report I've seen shows a cost of $1.3 trillion, and I can't imagine the estimates have gotten any better since.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...ffordableCareActHealthInsuranceCoverage_2.pdf

 

[sportage]

You had me at http://foxnews.com.
ER, I meant lost me.
I mean really? Fox News?
My mom n dad watch Fox News.
In their 80s now.
Still believe the earth is flat.
Yep, that was yet another exclusive from Fox News.
The Hannity special "the round earth conspiracy".

 

[monovillage]

You had me at http://foxnews.com.
ER, I meant lost me.
I mean really? Fox News?
My mom n dad watch Fox News.
In their 80s now.
Still believe the earth is flat.
Yep, that was yet another exclusive from Fox News.
The Hannity special "the round earth conspiracy".

"Fox News is the most trusted source of information on the new health care law for 19% of Americans – ahead of President Obama and other major networks."

The fight over President Barack Obama's health care reform law, the Affordable Care Act (ACA), has been one of the most contentious and bitter battles in domestic politics in recent memory. Media coverage of the issue has been particularly important, with the ins and outs of the passage and enactment of the law often dominating headlines. But information from politicians, government officials and insurance companies has also played a prominent role, with President Obama recently coming under fire after a key health care-related campaign promise – that Americans who liked their existing healthcare insurance plans could keep them – was cast into doubt.

The latest research from YouGov shows that when Americans are asked to pick the one source of information about the new health care law that they trust the most, Fox News Channel (also known as Fox News) tops the list. Most trusted by 19% of Americans, the basic cable news channel narrowly beats out 'friends and family' (17%).

You should listen to your parents.
http://today.yougov.com/news/2013/11/12/fox-news-most-trusted-health-care-law/

 

[Angry Irishman]

You had me at http://foxnews.com.
ER, I meant lost me.
I mean really? Fox News?
My mom n dad watch Fox News.
In their 80s now.
Still believe the earth is flat.
Yep, that was yet another exclusive from Fox News.
The Hannity special "the round earth conspiracy".

CNN is so much better/different? Or any other main stream media for that matter?

 

[fskimospy]

Perhaps you've read something different but the latest report I've seen shows a cost of $1.3 trillion, and I can't imagine the estimates have gotten any better since.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...ffordableCareActHealthInsuranceCoverage_2.pdf

That is expenditures, not impact on the deficit.

 

[werepossum]

That is expenditures, not impact on the deficit.

And of course, what truly matters is the impact on government, not how much of our income it eats up.