Obamacare navigators caught telling people to lie on their application

[rudeguy]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-in-wake-acorn-connection/?intcmp=latestnews

In one, workers with a community center in Irving, Texas, are shown telling one actor that he shouldn't reveal anything about smoking, because it could jack up his premiums.

In another video, from a National Urban League office in Dallas, an actor is told not to declare income he has earned on the side because it could cause problems with the government.

Reports continue to roll out about problems with ObamaCare "navigators" -- who are supposed to help people sign up for health care coverage -- after a group formed from the ruins of ACORN announced earlier this year it was getting in on the sign-up effort.

So we tapped ACORN to help with this? What a great idea! They are one of the most reputable organizations out there.

 

[Texashiker]

The government does not like to be lied to.

Chances are your house will be raided, everyone killed, and then the irs is going to audit your dead rotting corpse.

 

[werepossum]

The government does not like to be lied to.

Chances are your house will be raided, everyone killed, and then the irs is going to audit your dead rotting corpse.

I'm not so sure about that, considering that government has spent many millions hiring people to teach others to lie to government.

 

[berzerker60]

Seriously, we're believing James Fucking O'Keefe, whose doctored videos were shown to be outrageously dishonest every time he's emerged into the public eye? I'll believe that there are navigators who are doing bad things somewhere, and they certainly ought to be punished in some way or another, but you're really going to need to find someone with even the tiniest smidgeon of credibility to do the investigating.

ACORN (the organization) never did anything wrong, so it's pretty hilarious that it's still brought out as a conservative totem, to shake around while dancing to conjure ill-informed rage.

 

[PokerGuy]

The liberal "the end justifies the means" mantra in action...... Right now the precious signature initiative of the dear leader is looking a little worn, so they have to do their part. If lying and cheating is what it takes, there are plenty of ACORN-like organizations willing to do that.

 

[cyclohexane]

Sounds like good advice. Seriously, who the hell is going to write down smoking just to get higher premiums?

This is the real world bro. The op must live in a fantasy land, false outrage.

 

[boomerang]

Hell yeah, ACORN and Navigators that don't have to undergo background checks. What else would anyone truly expect out of the Obama administration? A leopard can't change its spots.

Every time Obama speaks all I hear is Russian music.

 

[Bowfinger]

I was thinking, "I wonder if this is another Breitbart-class scam, where someone like James O'Keefe is creating fake videos to dupe the nutter sheep? That would be hilarious." Then I open the link, and find I was wrong. It wasn't someone like O'Keefe, it was O'Keefe. Good God you clowns are slow learners. O'Keefe is a professional fraudster, fabricating hit pieces for the RNC.

Sure, with thousands of shiny new Navigators, there will be problems and some bad apples. O'Keefe is about the least credible person there can be to "document" this. Given his past example of willful, premeditated fraud, his involvement irreparably taints the results.

 

[Bowfinger]

Seriously, we're believing James Fucking O'Keefe, whose doctored videos were shown to be outrageously dishonest every time he's emerged into the public eye? I'll believe that there are navigators who are doing bad things somewhere, and they certainly ought to be punished in some way or another, but you're really going to need to find someone with even the tiniest smidgeon of credibility to do the investigating.

ACORN (the organization) never did anything wrong, so it's pretty hilarious that it's still brought out as a conservative totem, to shake around while dancing to conjure ill-informed rage.

This. Very much this.

 

[xBiffx]

Typical shoot the messenger responses. Wouldn't expect much else from our resident leftists.

 

[Druidx]

You would think such an accomplished community organizer would do better.

 

[sandorski]

This thread is why I have little to no respect for Conservatives these days. Absolutely no conscience or moral sense.

 

[Incorruptible]

Does this really surprise me you? Liberals are pathetic people and this is typical of what they do. Of course that moron obama has to lie.

 

[berzerker60]

Typical shoot the messenger responses. Wouldn't expect much else from our resident leftists.

The liberal "the end justifies the means" mantra in action...... Right now the precious signature initiative of the dear leader is looking a little worn, so they have to do their part. If lying and cheating is what it takes, there are plenty of ACORN-like organizations willing to do that.

FYI, no one is actually saying it's okay for navigators to tell people to lie. No one is saying such people shouldn't be punished. You can pretend that's what the responses are, but it's not actually the case.

Some people are saying we'd like better evidence than that of someone who has shamelessly doctored videos in the past to push a partisan message. It could very well be true that there are navigators saying illegal/immoral things (in fact, given the numbers, there almost certainly are some bad apples), and they should be punished, whether just fired or prosecuted if there are specific laws they violated. But "fits your world view" and "is what you want to hear" don't actually make bad evidence more compelling.

Edit: Another exclusive James O'Keefe video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bThouBcsMO4 !!

 

[fskimospy]

Should I believe an individual who has been shown to be blatantly dishonest in the past?

I guess for some people it all depends on if he is telling them something they already want to hear.

I have no doubt that some navigators will give bad info, will be dishonest individuals, etc. I also know that you would have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe James O'Keefe's description of it. I mean, how gullible are you guys?

 

[zinfamous]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-in-wake-acorn-connection/?intcmp=latestnews


So we tapped ACORN to help with this? What a great idea! They are one of the most reputable organizations out there.

Actually, ACORN never did anything wrong. If you were capable of viewing that non-scandal beyond the hyper-edited video, you would know the facts in the case were that the ACORN agents reported the fake pimp/prostitute immediately after the interview.

ACORN never did anything to support those partisan plants--in fact, the real act in that video was against the spineless little attack dogs that set out to create their little non-troversy.

So no, I'm not really going to trust the same people that are capable of creating false videos to stir up further partisan shenanigans.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Typical shoot the messenger responses. Wouldn't expect much else from our resident leftists.

lol

"shoot the messenger" lol


You are too funny mr troll.

 

[boomerang]

I think it's great that left is always wiling to give someone the benefit of a doubt. Truly. It's an admirable trait. But reality cannot be ignored and that is too often the case with the left. And this trait of diminishing the bad, which is wholly one-sided as the right never gets that treatment has become nauseating.

If two cars were seen to be on a collision course, the left-leaner would not see it as an issue until the moment of the crash. At that point, they would be certain it's a problem. Too late to do anything about it, but no action can be taken until they know for sure.

It's faith in its purest form. We suffer the consequences of it on a daily basis. As an added bonus, we're bad people for questioning that faith.

 

[rudeguy]

Should I believe an individual who has been shown to be blatantly dishonest in the past?

I guess for some people it all depends on if he is telling them something they already want to hear.

I have no doubt that some navigators will give bad info, will be dishonest individuals, etc. I also know that you would have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe James O'Keefe's description of it. I mean, how gullible are you guys?

I don't expect you to believe Obama at all.

 

[DesiPower]

corruption, lies and bureaucratic nightmare... how can this happen with govt sponsored social welfare program, WOW this is unimaginable... whats wrong with the society?

 

[Incorruptible]

Seriously, we're believing James Fucking O'Keefe, whose doctored videos were shown to be outrageously dishonest every time he's emerged into the public eye? I'll believe that there are navigators who are doing bad things somewhere, and they certainly ought to be punished in some way or another, but you're really going to need to find someone with even the tiniest smidgeon of credibility to do the investigating.

ACORN (the organization) never did anything wrong, so it's pretty hilarious that it's still brought out as a conservative totem, to shake around while dancing to conjure ill-informed rage.

Acorn did wrong though and they were a far left organization.

 

[PokerGuy]

Should I believe an individual who has been shown to be blatantly dishonest in the past?

Well, for some reason you continue to believe obummer and his administration despite numerous lies... why shouldn't other people believe someone infinitely more believable like O'Keefe?

I mean, how gullible are you guys?

Almost as gullible as those who believe something obummer says.

 

[zinfamous]

Acorn did wrong though and they were a far left organization.

when and where?

show us the facts.

 

[PokerGuy]

I think it's great that left is always wiling to give someone the benefit of a doubt.

The truth is that they're not giving someone the "benefit of the doubt", they are OK with their team doing whatever it takes to get what they want.

 

[DesiPower]

lol @ this thread becoming save the Acorn thread. Yes, lets ignore the fact that the govt appointed navigators are lying, its totally forgivable as its part of the new hip, and politically correct mantra, And while we are at its lets save Acorn's face too as its a part of the same machinery. Continue with this and after another 8 years are Clinton followed by 8 years of Obama, there will be no one the pull the wagon