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Obama was Unprepared? How Can Anyone Prepare to Debate a Shape-shifter?

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Obama was mad that he missed his anniversary for his bff Mitt. Plain and simple.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
I've seen bits and pieces and was surprised at how badly Obama did. It appears he needs a scripted environment. Some of us here could have shredded either candidate.
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I think that's dishonest, given past performance. In a very unscrippted environment, he annihilated the entire Repub caucus when first elected, so badly that they've dodged any rematch ever since.

Obama looked tired, worn out, run down. I think that accounts for the lackluster performance, along with his usual reticence to hold Repubs' feet to the fire.

Well, that and the fact that he tries to overcome emotionally appealing distortions & lies with rationality, not the best tactic in a soundbite friendly format.
 
monovillage said:
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Reading any one of my posts in P&N will tell you I am no fan of Romney but ^^^ this. Does winning a debate make Romney fit to be Pres? Of course not. He'd be a terrible President, but he won the debate fair and square. There is nothing in the debate rules requiring honesty or integrity. Had there been, it would have been a whole lot shorter. Remember the rules of politics: Lie at the top of your lungs and quietly correct later, but only if you have to (or double down lie).
 
IronWing said:
Reading any one of my posts in P&N will tell you I am no fan of Romney but ^^^ this. Does winning a debate make Romney fit to be Pres? Of course not. He'd be a terrible President, but he won the debate fair and square. There is nothing in the debate rules requiring honesty or integrity. Had there been, it would have been a whole lot shorter. Remember the rules of politics: Lie at the top of your lungs and quietly correct later, but only if you have to (or double down lie).
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Honesty and integrity? We're talking politicians here. You can be honest and have integrity or you can be a politician.
 
Romney says he will close loop holes and such to make up the difference that the tax cuts will cost. The issue is that he has not disclosed specific loop holes that he plans to close. He isn't lying, he's just not laying his entire plan on the table. I don't blame him, since his plan probably includes eliminating earned income tax credits and reducing charitable donation deductions. Those among others will certainly make up the 5 trillion, but would not be popular to some voters.

As for lying, no. Obama had the perfect opportunity to drive at Romney for more details, but he failed to force the issue. It is entirely on Obama.

As for the OP's point, that's exactly what Axlerod has been saying since the debate ended and it screams damage control.

The Obama campaign has been spinning Romney into some kind of twisted, emotionless devil. That's not what America saw last night. Romney was able to shake off much of the negative publicity that Obama has spent so much on over the last year. If Obama doesn't tread carefully, too many attack ads on Romney could be distasteful to many voters.
 
JohnnyGage said:
How is this racist? You do realize that crying racist is the caca-poopie-head of the 21st century right?
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Yes, among right-wing circles, it has indeed become very common to reject the idea that racism still exists and ridicule the accusations away.

People on the right are just as quick to deny racism exists as people on the left are to spot it. Probably dead even.
 
Like I said before... Romney turned against the tea party.
So the tea party don't care because they will never vote Obama anyhow you say?????????

Well then............... if "THiS" latest Mitt Romney is the real Mitt Romney, I can live with that.
I can live with continuing healthcare for those with pre existing conditions?
That's what Romney said...!!!
I can live with hiring more teachers.
That's what Mitt said...!!!
I can live with tax cuts being paid for 100% with no increase on the middle class.
That's what Mitt said....!!!
I can live with Mitt's "NIXING" of his previous plan for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
That's what he...whoops. I'm getting ahead of myself.
Save that 180 flip flop for Mitt's NEXT debate.
 
Subyman said:
Romney says he will close loop holes and such to make up the difference that the tax cuts will cost. The issue is that he has not disclosed specific loop holes that he plans to close. He isn't lying, he's just not laying his entire plan on the table. I don't blame him, since his plan probably includes eliminating earned income tax credits and reducing charitable donation deductions. Those among others will certainly make up the 5 trillion, but would not be popular to some voters.

As for lying, no. Obama had the perfect opportunity to drive at Romney for more details, but he failed to force the issue. It is entirely on Obama.

As for the OP's point, that's exactly what Axlerod has been saying since the debate ended and it screams damage control.

The Obama campaign has been spinning Romney into some kind of twisted, emotionless devil. That's not what America saw last night. Romney was able to shake off much of the negative publicity that Obama has spent so much on over the last year. If Obama doesn't tread carefully, too many attack ads on Romney could be distasteful to many voters.
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Romney appears to be planning to get rid of loopholes, I'm sure those will hit the middle class hard. That's why he won't be specific.
 
Liberals need to stop making excuses for Obama, he did awful and his non confrontational demeanor isn't going to play well for him.

We need a leader that is going to get up there and tell it like it is to take a hard stance on the issues.

Romney isn't it and neither is Obama, after watching the debates they both should be glad they didn't have any third party company.
 
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable
of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far
easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the
necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to
have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more
serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the
prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools
that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less
likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their
president."
 
IGBT said:
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable
of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far
easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the
necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to
have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more
serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the
prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools
that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less
likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their
president."
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Part of the problem was the other choice the McCain Palin ticket.

4 years later given the stagnation I'm still glad those two didn't get voted in.

Given the choice it was the right one.

Our choice was corporate sponsored duopoly, that's the real shame.
 
Jhhnn said:
I think that's dishonest, given past performance. In a very unscrippted environment, he annihilated the entire Repub caucus when first elected, so badly that they've dodged any rematch ever since.

Obama looked tired, worn out, run down. I think that accounts for the lackluster performance, along with his usual reticence to hold Repubs' feet to the fire.

Well, that and the fact that he tries to overcome emotionally appealing distortions & lies with rationality, not the best tactic in a soundbite friendly format.
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I could have kicked his butt 😛
 
Subyman said:
A white baby would be just as racist since it would imply the president should be white. I think your trolling is obvious.
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White depictions are race-neutral. You probably haven't taken a racial sensitivity course in a while.
 
Can you imagine the excuses if we finally get to see Obama’s transcripts? I’ll bet some are written in crayon. lol
 
spidey07 said:
LOL! I got my ass handed to me because Romney was better!

The depths this administration will go to. This is the latest gaffe by the Obama campaign, that the president wasn't prepared. REALLY!?? That's your excuse?
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Well that's the type of guy the average left-winger want to be rewarded with a second term it seems. Someone who didn't even bother to be thoroughly prepared for his own 1st re-election debate with his opponent. Then you realize this behavior coincides with his past instances where he also was unprepared to lead on many other issues during his first term which those on the left even cited in regret and anger.
 
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lotus503 said:
Liberals need to stop making excuses for Obama, he did awful and his non confrontational demeanor isn't going to play well for him.

We need a leader that is going to get up there and tell it like it is to take a hard stance on the issues.

Romney isn't it and neither is Obama, after watching the debates they both should be glad they didn't have any third party company.
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Maybe but it would've made Obama look far worse because they would of kicked him while he was down and then pushed to sidelines in the debate and that is a horrible position for any incumbent to be in if they want to prove that they are worthy of a second chance.
 
monovillage said:
For the next 50 years people will hear the word "DENVER" and say "Wasn't Denver where Romney made such a fool out of that ass clown Obama in the debate?"

Denver residents can be proud of themselves.
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I think you're understating your case. Try the next five HUNDRED years. And forget Denver, this is what people will remember about the United States of America long after we've taken over the planet and colonized the galaxy!

Back here in reality-land, you're definitely not going to get any argument from me that Romney did a MUCH better job in the debate than Obama. But Republicans seem to think Romney's performance was SO awesome that it tore a hole in space-time and it's suddenly November 7th and Romney got 300+ electoral votes. Still 3 debates (counting the VP one) and 4 weeks to go...and Romney started quite a bit behind. There's a decent chance the victory lap at this point will leave some conservatives looking a little silly. Ask John Kerry about HIS first debate in 2004 😉
 
I wonder if Obamas heart and gut is really in his re-election bid, that is, does he really want another term? I would think most who get elected go in full of hope and change, but get beaten down by the system, the economy, reality, whatever. There is a good reason why so many go grey haired so soon afterall.

But in reality, he has to run again whether he wants to or not. Just a thought based on how little he seemed to be 'up' for the debate.
 
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