Obama urging for $50B spending to cover states' shortcomings.

[First]

Good, teachers and firefighters are quite important and classroom sizes getting bigger is a proven disastrous trend.

 

[Acanthus]

As I posted.. Tennessee is providing essential services. We are in a budget crisis... but at least our state government will cut some fat off the budget first. Our fiscal year starts July 1 like everyone else... and we have an approved BALANCED state budget going into this new year.

Tennessee didn't have a tax revenue drop of 40%+

Some other states, did.

 

[Patranus]

I imagine that schools probably don't pay the same price as students in a college campus bookstore and, at least when I was in grammar school, the schools owned the books and reused them from year to year for different classes.

we had to buy our own books in high school, but I went to a private school... I'm pretty sure that my sister didn't have to in public school.

You are assuming that schools would have the balls to charge students who actually destroy textbooks.

Schools waste a tremendous amount of money on things that students destroy.

If schools are going to teach things aside from reading, math, and science, they might as well teach personable responsibility alongside their other bulls shit PC classes.

 

[nick1985]

Good, teachers and firefighters are quite important and classroom sizes getting bigger is a proven disastrous trend.

But we dont have the money

 

[Cuda1447]

Perhaps, but it isn't necessarily ensuring their ability to maintain Essential Services either.

So?

Does everything a state does have to explicitly ensure their ability to maintain essential services? That's such a stupid asinine statement...


Point is, we ALL KNOW, without a shadow of a doubt, that our government (federal, state, local) is full of inefficiencies and waste. Rather than cut spending (of which there is plenty we can cut without cutting essential services) we just print more money... or raise taxes. Nobody anywhere ever wants to try and cut off some fat. That's the problem.

 

[nageov3t]

You are assuming that schools would have the balls to charge students who actually destroy textbooks.

Schools waste a tremendous amount of money on things that students destroy.

If schools are going to teach things aside from reading, math, and science, they might as well teach personable responsibility alongside their other bulls shit PC classes.

I was in school in the mid 90's and we had to. books were turned in and inspected at the end of the year... I'm not sure what the procedure would have been if someone couldn't afford it, though.

 

[sandorski]

So?

Does everything a state does have to explicitly ensure their ability to maintain essential services? That's such a stupid asinine statement...


Point is, we ALL KNOW, without a shadow of a doubt, that our government (federal, state, local) is full of inefficiencies and waste. Rather than cut spending (of which there is plenty we can cut without cutting essential services) we just print more money... or raise taxes. Nobody anywhere ever wants to try and cut off some fat. That's the problem.

Do you, really? People have been saying this for Decades and Governments have been reforming things over that same time period for the very purpose of Cutting Costs. Things have been Cut, some things are likely underfunded as it is(see Bridge Maintenance).

 

[charrison]

Do you, really? People have been saying this for Decades and Governments have been reforming things over that same time period for the very purpose of Cutting Costs. Things have been Cut, some things are likely underfunded as it is(see Bridge Maintenance).

And trust me there is a still a ton to be cut.Govt in general does not reward cuts.

 

[Slew Foot]

I swear this never gets old, Obama's solution to every problem is to throw someone elses money after it.

 

[boomerang]

I swear this never gets old, Obama's solution to every problem is to throw someone elses money after it.

Let's make it money from Canadian progressives this time.

 

[lothar]

One of the largests costs other than buildings is the price of textbooks. I think textbooks is one of the biggest rip-offs on the face of the earth.

False.
Unlike College professors that require the "latest" new edition of a book every year, high/middle school books don't require that.
Mine surely didn't. My AP Calculus book was at least 5 years old and I still passed the AP exam with flying colors. I remember my history and many other books being 5 years old as well.
Hell, my english novels were decades old (Romeo&Juliet, Lord of the Flies, To Kill a Mockingbird, Animal Farm???)...SRSLY

 

[First]

But we dont have the money

Sure we do. Plus firefighters and teachers are a priority. Just because Republicans are suddenly aghast at spending because it's a Democrat doing it, doesn't mean intelligent people don't see right through it.

 

[Fear No Evil]

In my community I still see people out re-planting medians.. putting in flowers.. sprinklers running on them twice a week.. They are re-sodding grass that died during the unusually cold winter, replacing trees that died.. etc. They still had an inspector come out to look at my DANGEROUS new white fence I put up to make sure it was up to code. And thank GOD it was, because people could be hurt by a large piece of plastic falling on them. (Nevermind my old fence was already falling over, they didn't care about that though).

Nope. There isn't a SINGLE thing we can cut. Governments have been cut to the BONE.

 

[child of wonder]

Jesus Christ.... enough!

We need to accept the fact that the market needs to correct itself and it's going to be painful. We're just racking up more and more debt to make things hurt less in the short term but we're just shooting ourselves in the foot long term.

 

[child of wonder]

In my community I still see people out re-planting medians.. putting in flowers.. sprinklers running on them twice a week.. They are re-sodding grass that died during the unusually cold winter, replacing trees that died.. etc. They still had an inspector come out to look at my DANGEROUS new white fence I put up to make sure it was up to code. And thank GOD it was, because people could be hurt by a large piece of plastic falling on them. (Nevermind my old fence was already falling over, they didn't care about that though).

Nope. There isn't a SINGLE thing we can cut. Governments have been cut to the BONE.

This.

Everyone is so used to suckling from the government teet that waste, pork barrel spending, and abuse is just the norm. The solution is never to become more fiscally responsible but to create new taxes, borrow more money, or print more money.

 

[BoberFett]

It's going to be fun watching this country implode.

Naturally, it's all the fault of us libertarians. Our ideas are CRAZY.

 

[StageLeft]

Though a true statement, it is not applicable in this case.

Well, it's been a couple years now of gov backstopping and the economy is still terrible except now the national debt is even more absurd. All that's really happening is gov is using its credit to hide the damage, but it's not been repaired.

 

[sandorski]

Well, it's been a couple years now of gov backstopping and the economy is still terrible except now the national debt is even more absurd. All that's really happening is gov is using its credit to hide the damage, but it's not been repaired.

It's not "hiding the damage", it's maintaining a stable Economy until it gets back on it's feet. It's working very well.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

No, the World won't end, but Education of Students will be affected. Something that can have negative consequences whose affects will reverberate for Decades.

Sure, because continually throwing money at education has done wonders, hasn't it?

When times are tough, programs/jobs/services have to be eliminated. That's the way the business world works, and that's the way the government should work.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You're from Canada. Nobody gives a shit what you think.

There you go again, always with the Fail.

Except he's correct.

 

[sandorski]

Sure, because continually throwing money at education has done wonders, hasn't it?

When times are tough, programs/jobs/services have to be eliminated. That's the way the business world works, and that's the way the government should work.

No. Education is Infrastructure, it is not merely a Product.

 

[sandorski]

Except he's correct.

Negative.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Sure we do. Plus firefighters and teachers are a priority. Just because Republicans are suddenly aghast at spending because it's a Democrat doing it, doesn't mean intelligent people don't see right through it.

The only thing to see through is the fact that Democrats throw out the "we're going to have to cut firefighters and teachers!" line whenever spending cuts are mentioned because they know the response it will get from the public, resulting in them not having to cut anything. The Republicans are certainly no better, but don't act as if Democrats are saints in the matter.

 

[nick1985]

Sure we do.

No we dont. We are over 13 trillion in debt and our current budget is so far in the red is almost comical. How, again, do we have this money?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

No. Education is Infrastructure, it is not merely a Product.

I am going to make this really simple for you. When you don't have money, you have to cut spending. You cannot continue borrowing forever.

More and more money has been thrown at education repeatedly and the results aren't there to justify it. It isn't necessarily the fault of the teachers and schools; it is primarily the responsibility of parents to make sure their kids get an education and many just don't value an education. It is time to cut our losses as the kids who want to learn will learn, and the kids that don't want to learn won't. You cannot force a kid to learn.