Obama urging for $50B spending to cover states' shortcomings.

[StageLeft]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/12/AR2010061204152.html

President Obama urged reluctant lawmakers Saturday to quickly approve nearly $50 billion in emergency aid to state and local governments, saying the money is needed to avoid "massive layoffs of teachers, police and firefighters" and to support the still-fragile economic recovery.

Lol-worthy. State employees were disproportionately helped with earlier stimulus monies and have not suffered the layoffs that they must to help bring states back into a reasonable semblance of sanity. And now despite a "recovery", gov is still fvcked and still need more money.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

 

[nageov3t]

at a certain point, the solution has got to be spending cuts over printing out more money.

if states have overextended themselves, and I know mine certainly has, I feel like cleaning up the mess is a much preferable long-term solution rather than continuing the clusterfuck on the fed's dime.

 

[sandorski]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/12/AR2010061204152.html



Lol-worthy. State employees were disproportionately helped with earlier stimulus monies and have not suffered the layoffs that they must to help bring states back into a reasonable semblance of sanity. And now despite a "recovery", gov is still fvcked and still need more money.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Though a true statement, it is not applicable in this case.

 

[Jaskalas]

Though a true statement, it is not applicable in this case.

- We're bankrupt! Quick, throw money at the problem!
- How can we still be bankrupt?!

etc....

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

My god, our government is retarded...

 

[sandorski]

- We're bankrupt! Quick, throw money at the problem!
- How can we still be bankrupt?!

etc....

Fail, sorry. This is not meant to Fix "Bankruptcy"(which is a false statement to begin with). It is meant to maintain essential Services during an Economic Downturn. I realize that doesn't invoke the necessary Outrage talking point, but it is the truth of the matter.

 

[rudder]

Tennessee has a balanced budget amendment... our state government is fine. We are hurting and we will be laying off some state employees... but that is because of 2 term democratic governor increased the state's budget at twice the rate of inflation.

Had the budget increased at the rate of inflation.. the state would have not had to have tapped its rainy day fund.

But this philosophy of borrow now at the expense of future generations to keep some jobs that may not really be needed... is ridiculous especially when it is the states who should be fiscally conservative themselves and not rely on the feds. There are always strings attached to any federal money so I hope Tennessee refuses any more funds.

 

[rudder]

Fail, sorry. This is not meant to Fix "Bankruptcy"(which is a false statement to begin with). It is meant to maintain essential Services during an Economic Downturn. I realize that doesn't invoke the necessary Outrage talking point, but it is the truth of the matter.

As I posted.. Tennessee is providing essential services. We are in a budget crisis... but at least our state government will cut some fat off the budget first. Our fiscal year starts July 1 like everyone else... and we have an approved BALANCED state budget going into this new year.

 

[nageov3t]

Fail, sorry. This is not meant to Fix "Bankruptcy"(which is a false statement to begin with). It is meant to maintain essential Services during an Economic Downturn. I realize that doesn't invoke the necessary Outrage talking point, but it is the truth of the matter.

forcing states to cut costs isn't necessarily disrupting their ability to maintain essential services.

 

[sandorski]

forcing states to cut costs isn't necessarily disrupting their ability to maintain essential services.

Perhaps, but it isn't necessarily ensuring their ability to maintain Essential Services either.

 

[sandorski]

As I posted.. Tennessee is providing essential services. We are in a budget crisis... but at least our state government will cut some fat off the budget first. Our fiscal year starts July 1 like everyone else... and we have an approved BALANCED state budget going into this new year.

Congrats Tennessee.

 

[Patranus]

Obama yet again finds a way to screw America to save his union buddies.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Here in Washington the state government adds piles of new spending and raises whenever the economy improves, then wonders why it can't balance the budget in the bad times.

They stick a token amount into a rainy day fund, but empty that out the first bad year instead of cutting spending.

Right now they've budgeted general spending based on getting $480 million in medicare funding from the feds, that hasn't even been promised yet. So unless Obama keeps up the bread and circuses they're in big trouble.

Sigh, is living within your means that hard you moron politicians?

 

[rudder]

Congrats Tennessee.

Well it is not anything magical. When you force yourself to have a balanced budget, you force yourself to be responsible with taxpayers money. On top of that we have our own UHC. It does not take care of everyone... but it does help a lot of people.

Do you see the repeating idea in my theme? If you enable people with easy credit, easy mortgages, bailouts, excellent welfare plans, etc you enable people to be irresponsible because they have nothing to lose. On a larger scale... if you enable the "spend like there is no tomorrow" governments... more money (my money) will be needed again and again.

Sure you save teachers jobs this year... what about the year after that?

 

[sandorski]

Well it is not anything magical. When you force yourself to have a balanced budget, you force yourself to be responsible with taxpayers money. On top of that we have our own UHC. It does not take care of everyone... but it does help a lot of people.

Do you see the repeating idea in my theme? If you enable people with easy credit, easy mortgages, bailouts, excellent welfare plans, etc you enable people to be irresponsible because they have nothing to lose. On a larger scale... if you enable the "spend like there is no tomorrow" governments... more money (my money) will be needed again and again.

Sure you save teachers jobs this year... what about the year after that?

Tennessee is a hick(no offense) State in the grand scheme, meaning that it is rather Average compared to the rest. Teachers are fundamentally important, so I fail to see what your point is.

 

[nageov3t]

Tennessee is a hick(no offense) State in the grand scheme, meaning that it is rather Average compared to the rest. Teachers are fundamentally important, so I fail to see what your point is.

increasing class sizes or shifting to like a 4-day school week isn't cutting essential services.

 

[charrison]

Perhaps, but it isn't necessarily ensuring their ability to maintain Essential Services either.

Most state governments have had budgets growing faster than population and inflation growth, combined.

 

[charrison]

Tennessee is a hick(no offense) State in the grand scheme, meaning that it is rather Average compared to the rest. Teachers are fundamentally important, so I fail to see what your point is.

Teacher are important, but that does mean you give them everything they ask for either. That has been happening all around the country.

 

[sandorski]

increasing class sizes or shifting to like a 4-day school week isn't cutting essential services.

Easier said than done.

 

[nageov3t]

Easier said than done.

NJ is in the midst of laying off teachers in just about every school district right now.

the end result will be increased class sizes. the world likely won't end.

 

[charrison]

Easier said than done.

Actually it easier. Thnk about this. A senior in HS will get a class much larger than 20 people in it. Upon graduating, they will be expected to sit in a classes of 400 or more. Are you telling me there is no middle ground on class sizes?

I see little reason why there should not be significantly increased class sizes for those that are college bound.

 

[sandorski]

NJ is in the midst of laying off teachers in just about every school district right now.

the end result will be increased class sizes. the world likely won't end.

No, the World won't end, but Education of Students will be affected. Something that can have negative consequences whose affects will reverberate for Decades.

 

[sandorski]

Actually it easier. Thnk about this. A senior in HS will get a class much larger than 20 people in it. Upon graduating, they will be expected to sit in a classes of 400 or more. Are you telling me there is no middle ground on class sizes?

I see little reason why there should not be significantly increased class sizes for those that are college bound.

Negative.

 

[charrison]

NJ is in the midst of laying off teachers in just about every school district right now.

the end result will be increased class sizes. the world likely won't end.

The thing that most people do not realize about decreased classes is that it puts more teachers in class rooms, but not necessarily good ones. Would you rather have a larger class with an excellent teacher or a smaller class with an average one?

 

[charrison]

Negative.

What would be the drawback of a high school class with 50 kids in it? very little.