Obama turned Justice Department into his own extortion machine

Dari

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and now down is up and up is down. Villains become victims and vice-versa. For Obama, nothing has to make sense. No consistency is needed so long as banks pay up. January 20th can't come soon enough...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/baracks-last-bank-bash-1482793373

Barack’s Last Bank Bash
Former villains are now victims in a final round of official larceny.

The Obama Justice Department is pulling up to the ATM for one last withdrawal from banks. Having blamed U.S. financial firms for the 2008 mortgage crisis and squeezed them for more than $100 billion in settlements, the feds are now gashing foreign banks. Cases against such unsympathetic targets are sure to please progressives, but don’t expect the feds to prove any of these cases in court.

Last week Credit Suisse agreed to fork over more than $5 billion and Deutsche Bank agreed to pay more than $7 billion. Barclays refused to settle and was sued by Justice on Thursday. Good for Barclays.

Here’s hoping the British bank takes its case to trial, because Justice’s complaint is a 198-page flight from logic. The government’s lawsuit accuses Barclays of defrauding investors who bought its mortgage-backed securities in the years leading up to the financial crisis. The allegation is that the bank didn’t disclose how bad the underlying loans were. But the government acknowledges in its complaint that Barclays was also an investor in most of the securities at issue, and that it was often buying some of the riskiest slices of the deal. Was Barclays defrauding itself?


The suit goes downhill from there. The statute of limitations has run out for bringing a typical case under securities law. But the government is still able to sue Barclays under the Financial Institutions Reform, Recovery, and Enforcement Act of 1989 (Firrea).

Prosecutors like this law because it requires a low burden of proof and can result in huge penalties. The catch, since Firrea was created to punish savings-and-loan executives, is that it can only be used against those who have allegedly harmed a federally insured financial institution. So instead of presenting mom-and-pop investors who lost money, prosecutors have to present other banks as victims and describe how they allegedly suffered at the hands of the defendant.

For the purposes of extracting cash from Barclays, guess who the government is now calling a victim? Yes, Citibank.

For those who don’t appreciate the humor in this Beltway scam, recall that two years ago the feds used Firrea to claim that during the run-up to the same financial crisis the bank’s parent Citigroup was the villain that had misled investors in mortgage-backed securities. Justice extracted a $7 billion settlement from Citi.

In announcing that deal, then Attorney General Eric Holder called Citi’s conduct “egregious.” Mr. Holder said the bank had “contributed mightily to the financial crisis that devastated our economy” and spoke of shattered lives allegedly caused by the villainous firm. But that was so 2014.

Now we are asked to believe that this mastermind of an international plot to defraud investors was simultaneously taken in by a nearly identical plot cooked up by a rival rogue organization. Amazing. Will Citi now get some of its $7 billion back to reflect its new victim status?

There’s more. The government says Barclays had many other institutional victims, such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Even the partisan Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, created by the 2009 Pelosi Congress and chaired by a former state Democratic Party chairman, had to acknowledge the destruction caused by these reckless “kings of leverage.” But lately the government finds them more useful as alleged victims when suing other firms.

Another alleged victim in the civil case against Barclays is IndyMac, the California liar-loan factory that used to brag about all the “nontraditional” mortgages it was originating before failing in 2008. According to Justice, IndyMac is now a victim not because it bought mortgage-backed securities from Barclays, but because it sold to Barclays lots of risky loans that were bundled into securities. Justice claims that Barclays harmed IndyMac by “creating demand” for its products. Were IndyMac executives powerless to offer anything but poorly underwritten mortgages?

Justice seems to be saying that shoddy products are the responsibility of the consumers who order them. It might be entertaining to watch government attorneys try to argue this point in court. Carried to its conclusion, this suggests that President Obama’s beloved Consumer Financial Protection Bureau has been protecting the wrong side of a financial transaction.

The worst financial abuses are these bank raids by the Obama Department of Justice. Repairing this agency and its reputation begins with an end to evidence-free money grabs against unpopular defendants.
 

IronWing

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The only issue I'm seeing here is that it took eight years to get to this point. When multiple banks were involved in swindling each other and taking down the global economy in the process, it seems reasonable to go after all of them. Do the cops let a mugger walk because one of the people mugged was another mugger?
 

Dari

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Yeah, banks aren't exactly garnering any sympathies because of past behavior but this is nothing more than government extortion and bullying. The logic here is so convoluted and incredible that it beggars belief as to why no one has put them to the test. Hopefully, Barclays will. If the DoJ was doing this to any other industry there'd be an outcry. Wrong is wrong.
 

Dari

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His own? He must be a billionaire many times over by now.
The president was baptized in the River Victim. His objective is to make banks "pay" even if what they're presenting to the courts doesn't make sense. So long as they pay it's all good. It's what progressives demand.
 
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alcoholbob

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This is what you get for not donating to the Obama's re-election Super PAC. Shoulda paid up foreigners!
 

greatnoob

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Yeah, banks aren't exactly garnering any sympathies because of past behavior but this is nothing more than government extortion and bullying. The logic here is so convoluted and incredible that it beggars belief as to why no one has put them to the test. Hopefully, Barclays will. If the DoJ was doing this to any other industry there'd be an outcry. Wrong is wrong.

Do you support the banks' recklessness? You sound very proud of how they duped families into the American dream only to have those dreams turn into toxic assets and massive economic depression. Banks should not be given a free pass or any government help like they received almost a decade ago.
 

Darwin333

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The only issue I'm seeing here is that it took eight years to get to this point. When multiple banks were involved in swindling each other and taking down the global economy in the process, it seems reasonable to go after all of them. Do the cops let a mugger walk because one of the people mugged was another mugger?

Ugh, so much this. It pisses me off that we haven't seen handcuffs on these fuckers yet.
 

IronWing

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Yeah, banks aren't exactly garnering any sympathies because of past behavior but this is nothing more than government extortion and bullying. The logic here is so convoluted and incredible that it beggars belief as to why no one has put them to the test. Hopefully, Barclays will. If the DoJ was doing this to any other industry there'd be an outcry. Wrong is wrong.
If there is a case for the DoJ being in the wrong here, the WSJ failed to explain it.
 

MrSquished

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I don't see it either from this Opinion piece.

The banks made out with trillions from the FED and we are supposed to be saddened over something around 100 billion dollars in fines so far overall? As in ever?

Don't really see a case for the banks laid out here. Sympathy not found.
 

theeedude

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The president was baptized in the River Victim. His objective is to make banks "pay" even if what they're presenting to the courts doesn't make sense. So long as they pay it's all good. It's what progressives demand.
Projection is strong in this one.
 

Dari

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"Extortion" not found.
Really? Cherry-picking laws that require low burdens of proof and offer maximum fines in order to force banks to settle isn't extortion? This has been their playbook for the past 6 years. Everytime the DoJ gets a settlement, they sometimes return to the same bank for seconds and thirds.
 

sandorski

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Really? Cherry-picking laws that require low burdens of proof and offer maximum fines in order to force banks to settle isn't extortion? This has been their playbook for the past 6 years. Everytime the DoJ gets a settlement, they sometimes return to the same bank for seconds and thirds.

They deserved far more. Of Congress had done its' job perhaps real Justice would have been served, instead if this half-assed attempt.
 
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MrSquished

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"Most people think that the big bank bailout was the $700 billion that the treasury department used to save the banks during the financial crash in September of 2008. But this is a long way from the truth because the bailout is still ongoing. The Special Inspector General for TARP summary of the bailout says that the total commitment of government is $16.8 trillion dollars with the $4.6 trillion already paid out. Yes, it was trillions not billions and the banks are now larger and still too big to fail. But it isn’t just the government bailout money that tells the story of the bailout. This is a story about lies, cheating, and a multi-faceted corruption which was often criminal."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikecollins/2015/07/14/the-big-bank-bailout/#54cd315f3723
 

Dari

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They deserved far more. Of Congress had done its' job perhaps real Justice would have been served, instead if this half-assed attempt.
Yeah? Well it was a Democratic Congress that forced these banks to give loans to people undeserving of them. Also, I'm glad you like them getting these fines because the shareholders aren't paying for them. These hefty extortions are being passed directly to consumers. That's Obama's "Fuck you very much" gift to consumers.
 

Sonikku

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God damned Obama and his bullying of pure and innocent banks engaged in no wrong doing or baron robbing of the American people and economy.
 

MrSquished

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Yeah? Well it was a Democratic Congress that forced these banks to give loans to people undeserving of them. Also, I'm glad you like them getting these fines because the shareholders aren't paying for them. These hefty extortions are being passed directly to consumers. That's Obama's "Fuck you very much" gift to consumers.


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What caused the housing bubble and collapse of the financial system? Many fingers have pointed to a lack of regulation, financial innovation that didn't live up to its promises of risk-sharing and risk-reduction, and low interest rates from the Fed, which created an excess of liquidity.

Another cause that's often cited says the financial crisis was the result of government pressure to make subprime home loans to those at the lower end of the income scale. But recent work from the National Bureau of Economic Research provides no support for that claim.

The typical narrative is that government, through the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) and Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, caused lenders to reduce standards in order to make these loans. That in turn led to an abundance of loans to people who could not afford to repay them. These loans went into default in large numbers, and that fueled the financial crisis.

For instance, Rep. Scott Garrett, R-N.J., claimed in early 2007 that "The recklessness of government is the primary culprit here. For years Congress has been pushing banks to make risky subprime loans. ...Congress passed laws that said we're going to fine you and we're going to file lawsuits against you lenders if you don't make risky loans."

He was far from alone, many other Republican politicians made similar claims. Fox News also supported this argument, "Look... You go all the way back to the Community Reinvestment Act, under Jimmy Carter, expanded under Bill and Hillary Clinton -- they put the guns to the banks' heads, and said, "You have got to do these subprime loans. ...That's what caused this mess."

This is, in essence, a debate between those who claim lack of financial sector regulation caused the crisis and those who claim overregulation -- forcing banks to make loans to risky low-income borrowers -- is the culprit.

However, the new evidence from Manuel Adelino of the Fuqua School of Business at Duke University, Antoinette Schoar of the MIT Sloan School of Management and Felipe Severino of the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth undermines this story. In their paper, "Changes in Buyer Composition and theExpansion of Credit During the Boom," the researchers found:

"While there was a rapid expansion in overall mortgage origination during this time period, the fraction of new mortgage dollars going to each income group was stable. In other words, the poor did not represent a higher fraction of the mortgage loans originated over the period. In addition, borrowers in the middle and top of the distribution are the ones that contributed most significantly to the increase in mortgages in default after 2007. Taken together, the evidence in the paper suggests that there was no decoupling of mortgage growth from income growth where unsustainable credit was flowing disproportionally to poor people."
Lots of previous evidence supports this conclusion. For example, the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission established by Congress concluded:

"...the CRA was not a significant factor in subprime lending or the crisis. Many subprime lenders were not subject to the CRA. Research indicates only 6% of high-cost loans -- a proxy for subprime loans -- had any connection to the law. Loans made by CRA-regulated lenders in the neighborhoods in which they were required to lend were half as likely to default as similar loans made in the same neighborhoods by independent mortgage originators not subject to the law."
Thus, in the battle over whether too much or too little regulation of the financial sector played a role in causing and exacerbating the crisis, the evidence points away from those who claim overzealous government regulation was at fault.

That's something to keep in mind as Congress does its best to dismantle the Dodd-Frank law's new financial regulation.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/loans-to-low-income-households-did-not-cause-the-financial-crisis/
 

sandorski

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Yeah? Well it was a Democratic Congress that forced these banks to give loans to people undeserving of them. Also, I'm glad you like them getting these fines because the shareholders aren't paying for them. These hefty extortions are being passed directly to consumers. That's Obama's "Fuck you very much" gift to consumers.

Has nothing to do with what caused the 2008 meltdown.
 

FIVR

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It's nice to see the DOJ go after the banks with one tenth the zeal they seem to have in pursuing loitering charges against homeless vagrants for setting up tents near PCH. Oh, but we're supposed to feel sorry for the banks in this story? LOL.
 

greatnoob

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Yeah? Well it was a Democratic Congress that forced these banks to give loans to people undeserving of them. Also, I'm glad you like them getting these fines because the shareholders aren't paying for them. These hefty extortions are being passed directly to consumers. That's Obama's "Fuck you very much" gift to consumers.

You seriously don't understand what you're on about, get educated simpleton. It was the banks who were being reckless and had the Government not bailed them out YOU would likely be unemployed, starving and probably dead.