Obama to sign executive order on Immigration Reform

[fskimospy]

I also support legislation that enforces deporting illegals as well rather than providing them amnesty.

That's similarly impossible. We aren't deporting millions of people as a practical matter. More importantly that would leave millions more American citizen children parent less and forced into foster care, etc.

That plan would be an utter catastrophe for our country.

 

[bshole]

That's similarly impossible. We aren't deporting millions of people as a practical matter. More importantly that would leave millions more American citizen children parent less and forced into foster care, etc.

That plan would be an utter catastrophe for our country.

What if we deported conservatives only?

 

[Moonbeam]

There should be no vote for amnesty, those that are here illegally should be deported and required to go through the proper channels to get a immigrant visa.

Immigration law reform should be to include large fines/penalties for employing illegals and streamlining security/background checks/precessing times for immigrant visa applicants. It shouldn't take 18 months to get a spouse/step child immigration visa approved.

Illegal immigration should have never happened. All those responsible for it should be hunted down and jailed. They shouldn't be given amnesty but I bet that's what will happen. What should be and what is are oddly different.

 

[theeedude]

GOP has no coherent immigration policy. Just like they have no coherent health care policy. All they have is opposition to whatever Obama is for.

 

[highland145]

What if we deported conservatives only?

Charities would suffer.

 

[cubby1223]

All the solutions to shape a better immigration system begins with slowing down the flow across the border. Let's start with that. Let's not begin with policies that encourages greater flow across the border.

 

[fskimospy]

All the solutions to shape a better immigration system begins with slowing down the flow across the border. Let's start with that.

Not going to work.

Conservatives have things they want that liberals don't and vice versa. Anything that's actually going to be signed into law is going to require handling border issues along with handling the people already here simultaneously.

 

[ivwshane]

All the solutions to shape a better immigration system begins with slowing down the flow across the border. Let's start with that. Let's not begin with policies that encourages greater flow across the border.

Not going to work.

Conservatives have things they want that liberals don't and vice versa. Anything that's actually going to be signed into law is going to require handling border issues along with handling the people already here simultaneously.

Actually the senate bill addresses both issues and it ties any "amnesty" deals to border security.

I'd link the relevant part but apparently people don't bother fucking reading any more.

 

[nixium]

Lol! Some self entitled asshole is getting angry! We need more people like you in this country! /s

Once again, the senate bill addresses your concern, maybe you should read it. See tier 1 and tier 2 or you can continue to show us exactly why YOU shouldn't be allowed in this country.

http://m.immigrationpolicy.org/?url...derstanding-2013-senate-immigration-bill#2830

I love the revised characterization of me! You managed to say a lot more about yourself than you did about me though but that was probably due to you being so successful and me being a stupid Obama loving liberal! Lol!

Keep biting the hand that feeds you, you fucking idiot! You know...because the republicans are going to help you! Lol!

Aww, looks like I struck a nerve. So your definition of people that should be allowed in is based on how nice they are to your dainty feelings, not if they've been following the rules or not. Gotcha. I'm a legal immigrant so I have no right to get angry or express my emotions or protest against something unfair. Very "liberal" indeed.


I don't give a fuck about the Senate's bill. This threat is about EXECUTIVE ORDERS. I already told you I support the bill and you agreed so I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up. Try to stay on topic.

Based on this forum's responses, I see republicans supporting a fair immigration policy while liberals haughtily declare they can do whatever they want because they don't care about being fair. Isn't fairness supposed to be your platform?

Haha, biting the hand that feeds me? LOL. Nothing has been done by your beloved leader about legal immigration so far. What feed? There's nothing there except nebulous promises, and finally an admittance that this isn't fair, deal with it.

At least the tea party psychos are clear in their hatred for all immigrants. I know where they stand. You and your ilk though, are the worst type - pretending to be fair, pretending to be just, but picking out that little group of people that you want to patronize, so that they can look at you starry-eyed while you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Thanks for showing the forum how much of a fucking joke your are.

 

[nixium]

I actually didn't see your fairness point, although I don't actually see why what is considered fair is particularly relevant as it isn't possible for me to think of any solution that you would consider fair, nor do I consider fairness to be one of the goals of our immigration policy. i also think you realize that legal immigrants and these people are not competing for work authorizations in the same job markets.

So long story short, I see a problem we have that needs fixing. If we can do so in a fair manner, great. If not, that's too bad.

Come on, you're smarter than that. There are ways to make this fair easily - apply the same law to all immigrants! If you're providing EADs with certain stipulations as they are planning to (such as # of years in the country, relationship to US citizens etc) why can't the same thing be applied to legal immigrant workers? I can't believe you can't think of this - judging from your other posts, you're certainly smart.

I asked this same thing to one of your other comrades, but he's now foaming at his mouth implying that I shouldn't be admitted to this country because I dared to call him names (forget that the insults he threw at me are worse.) somehow, but you sound more reasonable so maybe I'll get somewhere with you.

So I'm asking you - why do you think fairness is not relevant when it comes to this? Isn't all justice and law an effort to be fair? If you can't think of any ways to make it fair, does that mean it shouldn't be done at all?

What about the unintended consequences? If the ruling comes out without this sense of "fairness" which according to you is irrelevant, why would people follow immigration law at all? And since when to laws not have to be fair? Isn't that a bad precedent for every other type of action that can be taken? Is it OK to not worry about wealth concentration at the top because of tax loopholes because, hey, why is fairness relevant?

Yes, a large portion of them are not competing in the same markets, but not all illegals are low wage workers. A fair portion of them are visa overstays, including skilled workers.

 

[nixium]

GOP has no coherent immigration policy. Just like they have no coherent health care policy. All they have is opposition to whatever Obama is for.

I agree with this, the senate bill has been out for a year and a half, plenty of time for them to do something about it - propose changes, nail a compromise out, etc. Instead "Obama can't be trusted to enforce laws" WTF

 

[michal1980]

I agree with this, the senate bill has been out for a year and a half, plenty of time for them to do something about it - propose changes, nail a compromise out, etc. Instead "Obama can't be trusted to enforce laws" WTF

You mean the truth is now WTF?

The USA have deported tons of immigrants in the past.

If Eisenhower can do it (1.3-2million illegals deported), so can Obama in 2014.

Illegals lower wages, and take away resources from Americans.

Why don't you guys care about our poor?

 

[ivwshane]

Aww, looks like I struck a nerve. So your definition of people that should be allowed in is based on how nice they are to your dainty feelings, not if they've been following the rules or not. Gotcha. I'm a legal immigrant so I have no right to get angry or express my emotions or protest against something unfair. Very "liberal" indeed.


I don't give a fuck about the Senate's bill. This threat is about EXECUTIVE ORDERS. I already told you I support the bill and you agreed so I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up. Try to stay on topic.

Based on this forum's responses, I see republicans supporting a fair immigration policy while liberals haughtily declare they can do whatever they want because they don't care about being fair. Isn't fairness supposed to be your platform?

Haha, biting the hand that feeds me? LOL. Nothing has been done by your beloved leader about legal immigration so far. What feed? There's nothing there except nebulous promises, and finally an admittance that this isn't fair, deal with it.

At least the tea party psychos are clear in their hatred for all immigrants. I know where they stand. You and your ilk though, are the worst type - pretending to be fair, pretending to be just, but picking out that little group of people that you want to patronize, so that they can look at you starry-eyed while you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Thanks for showing the forum how much of a fucking joke your are.

Let me see if I get this straight... You are complaining about what Obama might do despite Obama telling everyone that if congress passes an immigration bill he will sign it and some how it's all Obamas fault that the house won't pass the bill, the bill you support? Add in some nonsensical foaming of the mouth and random ass character generalizations about me.

Yeah keep being fucking retarded! This country needs more of that! Lol

Btw, it's apparent you have no idea what my position is or anything about me so just stop making a fool of yourself. Your irrational hate of Obama has made you stupid.

 

[nixium]

Let me see if I get this straight... You are complaining about what Obama might do despite Obama telling everyone that if congress passes an immigration bill he will sign it and some how it's all Obamas fault that the house won't pass the bill, the bill you support? Add in some nonsensical foaming of the mouth and random ass character generalizations about me.

Yeah keep being fucking retarded! This country needs more of that! Lol

Btw, it's apparent you have no idea what my position is or anything about me so just stop making a fool of yourself. Your irrational hate of Obama has made you stupid.

Ok I'm going to stop the insults and take a step back. You do realize you're talking about something entirely different right?

The senate bill is comprehensive - it addresses illegals, legal immigration and border security. Everyone gets something of what needs to be done.

The EO is unilateral move that seems to be aimed toward one thing - illegal immigrant relief. That's my beef with it. And you're off ranting over and over again about the senate bill. This entire thread is about the EO. And I'm the retard? LOL. Stop raging and read.

I've no irrational hate of Obama. I hate policies, not a person. In fact, I think he's brave doing what he is. For too long he's been held back by partisan policies and even his fellow democrats. Take for instance the whole 'waiting for EO to give democrats a chance at midterms'. A spectacular failure. Now instead of playing defense he's coming all out and daring the pathetic republican do-nothing congress to actually do the work they were sent to capitol hill for instead of blowing hot air.

 

[nixium]

Anyway, I admit that after reading more on this, there are provisions for legal immigrants, but it's not clear what they are. I'm not going to criticize till the actual EO is released and we can see what is in there.

Maybe Obama is a better man than the liberals on this forum, who are so casually dismissive of "fairness" when it doesn't really serve their current cause. We'll see.

 

[nixium]

You mean the truth is now WTF?

The USA have deported tons of immigrants in the past.

If Eisenhower can do it (1.3-2million illegals deported), so can Obama in 2014.

Illegals lower wages, and take away resources from Americans.

Why don't you guys care about our poor?

It's a different USA from now and Eisenhower's time.

Look if 90% of the population wanted them deported, I'm sure they'd be gone. But you have to realize that a big segment of the population doesn't want a deportation-only approach. It's time to be pragmatic and work out a compromise. By doing nothing, you're not getting anything your side wants.

 

[michal1980]

It's a different USA from now and Eisenhower's time.



Look if 90% of the population wanted them deported, I'm sure they'd be gone. But you have to realize that a big segment of the population doesn't want a deportation-only approach. It's time to be pragmatic and work out a compromise. By doing nothing, you're not getting anything your side wants.

The president can enforce laws we already have.

 

[nixium]

The president can enforce laws we already have.

That's the whole point! I agree that enforcement can certainly be increased - this is the country that found and killed OBL for god's sake. However, there is no political will, and more importantly, there is no will from the people to do it on a national scale.

Like I said, if 90% of the public wanted it done, it would be done, regardless of special interests. The fact of the matter is the deportation-only crowd is not that big. You *will* not get what you want unless something radically changes. I'm willing to bet this is with every chamber and the supreme court controlled by republicans with veto proof majorities.

So what do you do then?

Remember by doing nothing, immigration flows are going to continue at the current rate, and the illegal population is only going to build up.

 

[nixium]

Say this gridlock persists for another 10 years. Do you really think suddenly everyone will shift to a deportation-only approach? If anything, based on historical trends, there will be more of an amnesty movement.

The time for taking action is NOW when there's still sufficient interest in enhancing security. Take up S744, make it stricter, hell create a new bill with everything in it and hammer a compromise out. It might fail.

But sitting on your asses and making idiotic complaints is only going to make it more difficult in the future to get whatever you want.

 

[inachu]

Not going to work.

Conservatives have things they want that liberals don't and vice versa. Anything that's actually going to be signed into law is going to require handling border issues along with handling the people already here simultaneously.

Funny how they just did a report on a past president in the 1960's and he did a great job catching them.

Their point was also to make it less logical to cross anyway.

 

[inachu]

In Texas the border agents offices are 40 miles away from the border.

Kinda stupid.

 

[theeedude]

Did Bush deport all illegals when he was president? Did Clinton? ...
The fact that people have to dig up Eisenhower as an example just confirms that there is a modern day bi-partisan consensus about not enforcing these immigration laws. Obama is just making it official.

 

[hal2kilo]

Supposed to let us know what his plan is tomorrow. Heads will expload, women will faint. Hell apparently a little sign on a gas pump can do that.

 

[Thebobo]

Obama is suppose to make a statement as the same time the officer in Louisiana is Acquitted? :sneaky: It will make for an interesting news night.

 

[hal2kilo]

Obama is suppose to make a statement as the same time the officer in Louisiana is Acquitted? :sneaky: It will make for an interesting news night.

I almost added that as the Trifecta.