Obama to sign executive order on Immigration Reform

[michal1980]

Yes, I know there are laws already on the books for penalizing employers who hire illegals.

However, as you had mentioned, these laws have flaws. New laws need to be authored or present laws need to be amended/repealed in order to make these laws ironclad, simplified and totally enforceable.

Methinks the laws now addressing the issue of hiring illegals were purposely left weak and full of holes so as to either placate those that want illegals to keep pouring in for votes or for those that desire slave labor for fun and profit.

Seeing as if neither side of the aisle have an interest in turning the minority vote against them or having the availability of dirt cheap labor turned away at the border, I really can't see the gov't seriously turning on the businesses that give our politicians millions of $$$ in campaign donations and clamping down on them from hiring those illegals that they have literally become dependent upon. Especially after these businesses for decades have had these illegals so easily available and be able to so easily skirt the laws meant to prevent such hirings.

edit - I haven't done any research into what Obama's intentions are or what his executive actions would include other than amnesty. But as with Reagan and Bush, I can see where Obama feels giving amnesty, along with added restrictions or bringing "clarification" to existing laws is just about the easiest way out for him to deal with this issue.

Obama doing what Obama said he couldn't do is the easy way out for all liberals.

'I don't like the law I wont enforce it'.

Republicans should come into power and just stop enforcing things they don't like. Taxes? phhhf why pass tax cuts, we just wont enforce them, but only on the rich.

EPA regulations. fuck that takes money, which we no longer collect, gotta cut that. Welfare, shit we are broke, time to not enforce those laws.


Where does presidential power stop? How many laws can just be ignored because the president doesn't feel like it?

 

[HomerJS]

they didn't.

Hmmm

http://news.yahoo.com/reagan-bush-acted-alone-shield-immigrants-171420251.html

 

[ivwshane]

When losing move the goal posts.

That's cute kid. I'm still waiting for you to tell us what law he ignored.

Like a I said, you are a fucking idiot because you refuse to educate yourself and you refuse to let yourself be educated.

 

[ivwshane]

I've been through the immigration system. What's your claim on how you understand matters better? Sipping overpriced latte in some hipster coffee bar while working on your macbook?

Your experience with immigration doesn't entitle you to your own facts. No illegal immigrant is being given a free ride or permit to do whatever they want as you put it.

Your characterization of me was quite funny though

 

[ivwshane]

As was posted in my original response, e-verify would become mandatory and errors would be addressed.

(Simply search for the word "verify" to find the relevant info)
http://www.nilc.org/s744summary1.html

What do you mean by "really"?

I linked to a legal site. We ALREADY have laws against employing illegal immigrants. We don't enforce them. When an illegal manages to get caught, we just let them go and, at best, they hope they turn up for some future court date. I.e., we aren't enforcing what we have' why just add more laws then claim "it's all fixed now!"?

E-verify seems a good idea. But I would caution people to research it. Currently there seems to be at least a couple of significant problem using it:

1. Employers get sued for using it; it's claimed to be a civil rights violation. I'm a CPA and often attend IRS seminars (not the kind with Star Wars skits and $50 dollar muffins, those are reserved for IRS employees only). The IRS has always heavily cautioned us about E-Verify due to the lawsuits. Maybe a mandatory law would negate the threat of lawsuits; IDK.

2. E-Verify's accuracy seems to be in question. Some time ago I read of a high 'false positive' rate. I.e., even though you're illegal E-Verify reports you as completely legal. This is likely due to stolen ID's etc.

Beware of simple fixes, especially those run by the govt.

Fern

 

[ivwshane]

Obama doing what Obama said he couldn't do is the easy way out for all liberals.

'I don't like the law I wont enforce it'.

Republicans should come into power and just stop enforcing things they don't like. Taxes? phhhf why pass tax cuts, we just wont enforce them, but only on the rich.

EPA regulations. fuck that takes money, which we no longer collect, gotta cut that. Welfare, shit we are broke, time to not enforce those laws.


Where does presidential power stop? How many laws can just be ignored because the president doesn't feel like it?

Fantastic! Sounds like we have another supporter of the senate immigration bill since it addresses all your points!

When can we expect to see you making threads about the republics controlled house not doing anything about this topic?


In fact it appears to me that everyone who is complaining should be demanding the house take up the senate immigration bill since it addresses, pretty much everyone's concerns so far.

So when will you complainers start complaining about the republican controlled house?

 

[michal1980]

That's cute kid. I'm still waiting for you to tell us what law he ignored.

Like a I said, you are a fucking idiot because you refuse to educate yourself and you refuse to let yourself be educated.

I pointed out what laws he is ignoring. And you refuse to believe it.

a rock is smarter then you.

 

[michal1980]

Fantastic! Sounds like we have another supporter of the senate immigration bill since it addresses all your points!

When can we expect to see you making threads about the republics controlled house not doing anything about this topic?


In fact it appears to me that everyone who is complaining should be demanding the house take up the senate immigration bill since it addresses, pretty much everyone's concerns so far.

So when will you complainers start complaining about the republican controlled house?

no its pointless to pass laws when the president refuses to enforce them.

 

[michal1980]

Hmmm

http://news.yahoo.com/reagan-bush-acted-alone-shield-immigrants-171420251.html

hmmm, maybe things were different then:

"Their actions were less controversial because there was a consensus in Washington that the 1986 law needed a few fixes and Congress was poised to act on them"

So seems like Regan and Bush weren't going full steam ahead against congress, unlike Obama.

From your own article:

2013-2014 (Congress). After months of work, the Senate in June 2013 passes, 68-32, a huge immigration overhaul bill that includes a path to citizenship for immigrants who meet strict criteria. The House fails to act. In a televised interview with Telemundo, Obama says expanding the DACA program to cover the parents of children allowed to remain in the country under the program "would be ignoring the law in a way that I think would be very difficult to defend legally. So that's not an option."

So in 2013 Obama couldn't and wouldn't expand his amnesty, because according to him it would be illegal, in 2014, he changed his mind.

Please liberals continue defending this POS that's waging a war against American workers.

 

[ivwshane]

I pointed out what laws he is ignoring. And you refuse to believe it.

a rock is smarter then you.

And I pointed out that he was not ignoring the law but rather actively involved with enforcing it the smartest way he can with a limited amount of resources.

Stay stupid!

 

[ivwshane]

hmmm, maybe things were different then:

"Their actions were less controversial because there was a consensus in Washington that the 1986 law needed a few fixes and Congress was poised to act on them"

So seems like Regan and Bush weren't going full steam ahead against congress, unlike Obama.

From your own article:



So in 2013 Obama couldn't and wouldn't expand his amnesty, because according to him it would be illegal, in 2014, he changed his mind.

Please liberals continue defending this POS that's waging a war against American workers.

He changed his mind? Do show us this amnesty he granted!



I'm just curious Michael and I'm being completely sincere; are you retarded? As in, did you go to a special school or have been clinically diagnosed to have less than average intelligence? If you are, it's ok, it would really help to explain who I'm dealing with because, for a retarded guy you are pretty smart but being a smart retard isn't exactly like being Albert Einstein


What follows is a link with info which completely destroys your claim and makes you look like the fucking idiot that you are. It would be best to read the whole thing, top to bottom, else you run the risk of looking like an even bigger dumbass! Or you could ignore the link and other people smarter than you (as in, everyone else in the world) will read it and realize just how fucking dumb you.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/sta...uz-incorrectly-says-barack-obama-has-promise/

 

[nixium]

Your experience with immigration doesn't entitle you to your own facts. No illegal immigrant is being given a free ride or permit to do whatever they want as you put it.

Your characterization of me was quite funny though

I clearly put out a statement that neither you nor eskimospy have answered. Once again, I'm putting it here and I hope you will address it.

How is giving an illegal employment authorization with no requirements fair to those who are immigrating legally that have to jump through many hoops, including proving that they aren't taking citizen jobs, and getting paid prevailing wage?

Actually, I should revise my characterization. You seem more like the type of liberal who gets off on helping "the downtrodden" not because of any genuine desire to be seen as good, but rather in how smug you can be, and how much you can aggrandize yourself for "helping" them. Legal immigrants are probably too successful for you and your ilk to bother about us, hence the evasion about the fairness point. Same with your leader, Obama.

 

[michal1980]

And I pointed out that he was not ignoring the law but rather actively involved with enforcing it the smartest way he can with a limited amount of resources.

Stay stupid!

spinning spinning spinning.

Are you an instructor?

 

[Matt1970]

Why do you think both Reagan and Papa Bush did the exact same thing Obama is about to do?

So we know the results of what we are about to yet we are going to do it anyways hoping for a different result. The very definition of insanity.

 

[Moonbeam]

Conservatives are such hypocrites complaining about how unfair it is to grant amnesty for people living here illegally. All people who are here illegally should be removed from the country, but before they are, every dime their labor saved an American citizen must be collected by the treasury. Every person who ever employed one must be put in jail. Every politician who served in government since the date of the illegal who has been here the longest must be jailed. All enforcement people must be forced to resign. Everything built be illegal labor must be torn down. We have to be fair in how we enforce our laws. We can't go around punishing the people we allowed to be here. We have to get not only them because they broke our laws, but everybody who allowed them to come here by either not enforcing our laws by turning a blind eye to them, and every cent of profit made off them must be returned to the government with interest as well as all traced of their economic productivity removed. Additionally, every citizen of the country should be fined 10% of his or her income so this sort of shit doesn't happen again. We are q country of moral people so let's not fuck around. Let's do this right. The guilty need to pay for their crimes. We will brook no amnesty of any kind. It's not fair. You profited from criminal activity and you are going to have to pay. It's not fair that we keep what we earned from their criminal behavior. We let criminals live in our house and fix it up. No no no no no, you filthy pig. No applying half justice after you had your dessert.

 

[ivwshane]

I clearly put out a statement that neither you nor eskimospy have answered. Once again, I'm putting it here and I hope you will address it.

How is giving an illegal employment authorization with no requirements fair to those who are immigrating legally that have to jump through many hoops, including proving that they aren't taking citizen jobs, and getting paid prevailing wage?

Actually, I should revise my characterization. You seem more like the type of liberal who gets off on helping "the downtrodden" not because of any genuine desire to be seen as good, but rather in how smug you can be, and how much you can aggrandize yourself for "helping" them. Legal immigrants are probably too successful for you and your ilk to bother about us, hence the evasion about the fairness point. Same with your leader, Obama.

Lol! Some self entitled asshole is getting angry! We need more people like you in this country! /s

Once again, the senate bill addresses your concern, maybe you should read it. See tier 1 and tier 2 or you can continue to show us exactly why YOU shouldn't be allowed in this country.

http://m.immigrationpolicy.org/?url...derstanding-2013-senate-immigration-bill#2830

I love the revised characterization of me! You managed to say a lot more about yourself than you did about me though but that was probably due to you being so successful and me being a stupid Obama loving liberal! Lol!

Keep biting the hand that feeds you, you fucking idiot! You know...because the republicans are going to help you! Lol!

 

[ivwshane]

spinning spinning spinning.

Are you an instructor?

Apparently I am because not only am I schooling you but I'm running circles around you!

Stay stupid kid

 

[inachu]

USA will become like sweden and entire population will demand the borders be closed.

 

[fskimospy]

Prioritized enforcement is one thing, but what about giving away employment authorization, something that's very difficult for legal immigrants? I also noticed you refused to address my fairness point. I ask you again. How is this fair to someone waiting legally?

I actually didn't see your fairness point, although I don't actually see why what is considered fair is particularly relevant as it isn't possible for me to think of any solution that you would consider fair, nor do I consider fairness to be one of the goals of our immigration policy. i also think you realize that legal immigrants and these people are not competing for work authorizations in the same job markets.

So long story short, I see a problem we have that needs fixing. If we can do so in a fair manner, great. If not, that's too bad.

 

[ivwshane]

I actually didn't see your fairness point, although I don't actually see why what is considered fair is particularly relevant as it isn't possible for me to think of any solution that you would consider fair, nor do I consider fairness to be one of the goals of our immigration policy. i also think you realize that legal immigrants and these people are not competing for work authorizations in the same job markets.

So long story short, I see a problem we have that needs fixing. If we can do so in a fair manner, great. If not, that's too bad.

You didn't see his fairness point because you hate successful immigrants, you latte sipping, Obama loving, smug, hipster!

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So give the big F off to those who are trying to legally immigrate to the US and give amnesty to those who are here illegally. Got it.

How about we actually inforce immigration laws and impose huge fines and penalties on those who employ illegals?

 

[ivwshane]

So give the big F off to those who are trying to legally immigrate to the US and give amnesty to those who are here illegally. Got it.

How about we actually inforce immigration laws and impose huge fines and penalties on those who employ illegals?

Yeah!! It sounds like we've got another senate migration reform bill supporter here who is sick of republicans in the house not doing anything!

Congrats! I knew you'd come around

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I also support legislation that enforces deporting illegals as well rather than providing them amnesty.

 

[Moonbeam]

So give the big F off to those who are trying to legally immigrate to the US and give amnesty to those who are here illegally. Got it.

How about we actually inforce immigration laws and impose huge fines and penalties on those who employ illegals?

Right, and we can start with those who employed them first. We need at least a trillion for a proper investigation and of course, Republican votes.

The day you see Republicans voting for amnesty or real immigration reform is the day you see them supporting higher wages for legals. A deported illegal is worthless but a fearful and vilified one can be exploited. Exploitation of labor is Republican's middle name.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

There should be no vote for amnesty, those that are here illegally should be deported and required to go through the proper channels to get a immigrant visa.

Immigration law reform should be to include large fines/penalties for employing illegals and streamlining security/background checks/precessing times for immigrant visa applicants. It shouldn't take 18 months to get a spouse/step child immigration visa approved.