Obama to sign executive order on Immigration Reform

[BoberFett]

Managing and sealing are 2 distinctly different things.

Jesus H Christ, seriously? You're going to stoop to semantics?

You're correct, we can't "seal" the border with the patented two color blue/green Ziploc strip to keep air out and freshness in.

But we can make the prospect of being caught unappealing to both illegal immigrants and crooked American employers when they choose to flaunt our laws. And that's what anybody with half a brain should interpret the word "seal" to mean.

To clarify: Sealing the border means actually taking steps to keep people out rather than the welcoming arms we now throw in the air, telling everybody to come here! It's all jobs and handouts for everyone if you just sneak in!

 

[IronWing]

Jesus H Christ, seriously? You're going to stoop to semantics?

You're correct, we can't "seal" the border with the patented two color blue/green Ziploc strip to keep air out and freshness in.

But we can make the prospect of being caught unappealing to both illegal immigrants and crooked American employers when they choose to flaunt our laws. And that's what anybody with half a brain should interpret the word "seal" to mean.

To clarify: Sealing the border means actually taking steps to keep people out rather than the welcoming arms we now throw in the air, telling everybody to come here! It's all jobs and handouts for everyone if you just sneak in!

^^Another person who hasn't been to the border.

 

[boomerang]

Why is Congress and the nation letting Obama lead the narrative? Give him a taste of his own medicine. Congress should tell him "we won" and if you want to legislate, come back to the Senate. Your job is to enforce the laws not make the laws. If you don't like the pace Congress is moving at, tough shit. It's not the job of the Congress to put a shine on your legacy. Republicans now control 70% of state legislatures. Republicans now have the largest majority in the House since WWII. The Senate is firmly under Republican control and in races for Governor, Scott Walker retained his seat and Illinois and Maryland now have Republican Governors just to mention a few outcomes at that level. Obama's wishes are meaningless. Pipe dreams that need not be humored by anyone. To call him a lame duck would be a label that would grant him far more power than he wields. He's not the head of the Democrat party because the Democrat party has been relegated to obscurity.

How is it that amnesty for illegals is the most pressing issue facing the nation? Why do we want to make our own poor compete for jobs with people that broke our laws to come here? Why do we want to continue, with the blessing of the government, the further erosion of our standard of living within our own borders? The lack of any semblance of logic from Democrats is, after all these years, still a source of wonderment. One would think that by now they'd have learned something. But that's not the case. Democrats care more about people from foreign nations that have no qualms with breaking the laws of our nation than they do for our own citizens. Now, it's a big 'fuck you' for our own people because they've found a new demographic to exploit for their purposes.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. There is no reason to work with them. No good reason to entertain their harebrained ideas any longer. Time for Republicans to shout to the rooftops "we won"! That's a language Obama should be able to understand.

 

[BoberFett]

^^Another person who hasn't been to the border.

^^Another person who thinks immigration is only about the border.

 

[werepossum]

Why is Congress and the nation letting Obama lead the narrative? Give him a taste of his own medicine. Congress should tell him "we won" and if you want to legislate, come back to the Senate. Your job is to enforce the laws not make the laws. If you don't like the pace Congress is moving at, tough shit. It's not the job of the Congress to put a shine on your legacy. Republicans now control 70% of state legislatures. Republicans now have the largest majority in the House since WWII. The Senate is firmly under Republican control and in races for Governor, Scott Walker retained his seat and Illinois and Maryland now have Republican Governors just to mention a few outcomes at that level. Obama's wishes are meaningless. Pipe dreams that need not be humored by anyone. To call him a lame duck would be a label that would grant him far more power than he wields. He's not the head of the Democrat party because the Democrat party has been relegated to obscurity.

How is it that amnesty for illegals is the most pressing issue facing the nation? Why do we want to make our own poor compete for jobs with people that broke our laws to come here? Why do we want to continue, with the blessing of the government, the further erosion of our standard of living within our own borders? The lack of any semblance of logic from Democrats is, after all these years, still a source of wonderment. One would think that by now they'd have learned something. But that's not the case. Democrats care more about people from foreign nations that have no qualms with breaking the laws of our nation than they do for our own citizens. Now, it's a big 'fuck you' for our own people because they've found a new demographic to exploit for their purposes.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. There is no reason to work with them. No good reason to entertain their harebrained ideas any longer. Time for Republicans to shout to the rooftops "we won"! That's a language Obama should be able to understand.

Problem is the only reason the Republicans won is that they aren't Democrats; the Democrats are merely what we first scrape off our shoes, but the Pubbies are close behind them. If they expect to win in 2016, they need to do something that shows people they stand for something the people support, because in Presidential election years a lot of people whose entire political thought consists of playing "Find the 'D'" come out to vote and "we're not Democrats" ain't gonna cut it.

 

[nixium]

Actually it's kind of depressing to realize that if you hate what the current crop of buffoons do, your only option is to go back to the previous crop of buffoons (whom you kicked out because you hated them then.) Neither of them are going to stop being buffoons.

Time for a multi party system? From my view, the US isn't homogenous anymore, the diversity of views that people hold don't fit either party. There's no moderation anymore. The two parties aren't mixing views and formulating views that cover the weaknesses of each other's ideology. The only thing they seem to come together are on policies favoring giant corporations. It's kinda frightening actually. The end result of those policies are Mexico and China...

 

[Matt1970]

Not necessarily, but he invoked what the majority of Americans wanted repeatedly in order to justify his preferred action. Seems like that would go for "amnesty" as well then, right?

Just as long as the two happen to coincide, then Obama is the great carrier-outer of the peoples will.

 

[Matt1970]

Actually it's kind of depressing to realize that if you hate what the current crop of buffoons do, your only option is to go back to the previous crop of buffoons (whom you kicked out because you hated them then.) Neither of them are going to stop being buffoons.

That seems to have been the cycle for the last few decades.

Time for a multi party system? From my view, the US isn't homogenous anymore, the diversity of views that people hold don't fit either party. There's no moderation anymore. The two parties aren't mixing views and formulating views that cover the weaknesses of each other's ideology. The only thing they seem to come together are on policies favoring giant corporations. It's kinda frightening actually. The end result of those policies are Mexico and China...

You left out policies favoring themselves getting more power.

 

[highland145]

Republicans had 6 years to do something and they did nothing so good to see Obama force their hand.

<edit>. You must have forgotten the 2 years of complete rule where nothing was accomplished.


Sorry for name calling...

 

[Zorkorist]

Actually it's kind of depressing to realize that if you hate what the current crop of buffoons do, your only option is to go back to the previous crop of buffoons (whom you kicked out because you hated them then.) Neither of them are going to stop being buffoons.

Time for a multi party system? From my view, the US isn't homogenous anymore, the diversity of views that people hold don't fit either party. There's no moderation anymore. The two parties aren't mixing views and formulating views that cover the weaknesses of each other's ideology. The only thing they seem to come together are on policies favoring giant corporations. It's kinda frightening actually. The end result of those policies are Mexico and China...

You could vote to limit Government, and when they are less important to your life, your life will be better.

It's kind of like getting fixated with a celebrities butt. Just don't do it! There are a billion butts out there, and this one, you can pass.

-John

 

[Matt1970]

You're a fucking idiot. You must have forgotten the 2 years of complete rule where nothing was accomplished.


Sorry for name calling...

Something was accomplished. When unemployment was reported at 10.2% and we were in the worst economic slump since the great depression, Obama and the Democrats focused on jobs Healthcare reform. And it was healthcare reform that didn't kick in till years later.

 

[Zorkorist]

Never mind we are 17+ trillion in debt.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

America is supposed to be the land of the free,

not the land of Jack-Boot Government.

-John

 

[highland145]

Something was accomplished. When unemployment was reported at 10.2% and we were in the worst economic slump since the great depression, Obama and the Democrats focused on jobs Healthcare reform. And it was healthcare reform that didn't kick in till years later.

Still hasn't...

Let 'em eat cake.

 

[DrDoug]

I think once Obama saw how badly the Democrats mismanaged their side of this election he decided to show them how to beat conservatives. The best way is to give the GOP politicians and pundits a couple of hammers (immigration & Net Neutrality, for example) and let them club each other to death for public sport.

I hear that Ted Cruz hit himself in the face already! :biggrin:

 

[DrDoug]

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Can anyone explain how a president using executive orders is anything different from a dictator declaring a new law?

Sure! An executive order from one President can be terminated by the next President, if they so choose. Dictators have a life term so their decree is in force until they change their mind or they die and their successor decides to end it.

Easy peasy.

 

[OutHouse]

Sure! An executive order from one President can be terminated by the next President, if they so choose. Dictators have a life term so their decree is in force until they change their mind or they die and their successor decides to end it.

Easy peasy.

So dicator like?

 

[OutHouse]

Just as long as the two happen to coincide, then Obama is the great carrier-outer of the peoples will.[/QUOTE]

that is not the job of the US President.

 

[OutHouse]

Not necessarily, but he invoked what the majority of Americans wanted repeatedly in order to justify his preferred action. Seems like that would go for "amnesty" as well then, right?

You of all people know that is not how our government is deigned.

 

[DrDoug]

So dicator like?

Sure, if dictators had a four year term with a two term limit!

 

[facetman]

Pretty new on this forum. Read this thread and found it sad. But, it is a perfect example the trouble this country faces. There is no tempering of thought anymore or even a possibility that someone from the other side might actually have a point. Just raging emotional anger at each other most of the time. It is like somehow politics has become a personal attack on people and they react accordingly. You cant even discuss it for 2 minutes without people getting upset and calling others names and frankly acting like children. .

Fact - this country has a problem with debt, illegals, healthcare, unemployment. If you would rate them on the greatest impact on the citizens it would be Unemployment, debt, healthcare, illegals. However, each of them effects the other.

ie) Tough to get a good job ( decrease unemployment) when an illegal will do that same job at 1/2 of the cost to the employer.

ie) You can't begin to decrease debt unless you get people working and off the freebies. However, those freebies are what is attracting the illegals , and making some ( not all ) people refusing to take a "lesser job". After all, why go to work at 25% less than what unemployment pays or what the welfare/medicaid package is worth= when you add up the medicaid medical card, food stamps, section 8 housing , etc. it is similar to making a $30K job. I don't actually know what it is, but it is certainly more than a $10-15/hour job pays annually. Unfortunately, there is a big portion of the populace that truly feels that they cannot make ends meet without help from the Government - yes they have done their job well- creating this "need".

How about answers people! Instead of listening to the Politicians and just spewing there trash. Why think those whose biggest worry is maintaining, or gaining power and getting re-elected will do anything to help us. Nothing is going to change unless "WE the people" change it. Maybe the voters last Tuesday put it out there that something has to change and maybe as that old movie stated so well; "we aren't going to take it anymore" is starting to take hold. However, with the Republicans, and Democrats currently holding the power- nothing will change. They have all been in the system sooo long they are unable to see the forest, because of the trees in the way - so to speak.

In case someone cares and wants to know my party affiliation so they can hammer my post. I am a born Democrat, turned Republican after paying for his own college, and starting his own business and realizing the burden our current system puts on small businesses. Now after 25 years of that I am no longer with any party as the both parties are 'bad to the bone" in my opinion. However, I am not laying down and giving up by not voting - I just vote for whomever I think may think people are the answer - not Government Bureaucrats.

AGAIN- we need answers from the truly smart people- not the idiots in the government. People like the ones on this forum= the thinkers, doers, not the talkers.

 

[IronWing]

America is supposed to be the land of the free,

not the land of Jack-Boot Government.

-John

Exactly. So next time you hear some numbnut screaming for more border security what they are really asking for is even more jack booted thugs roaming my neighborhood harassing Americans. More guns, more toys, more police powers, less freedom.

 

[PokerGuy]

Exactly. So next time you hear some numbnut screaming for more border security what they are really asking for is even more jack booted thugs roaming my neighborhood harassing Americans.

Uh, what does securing the border have to do with "thugs roaming my neighborhood"? Harassing Americans? Keeping non-Americans out is harassing Americans?

 

[boomerang]

Actually it's kind of depressing to realize that if you hate what the current crop of buffoons do, your only option is to go back to the previous crop of buffoons (whom you kicked out because you hated them then.) Neither of them are going to stop being buffoons.

Time for a multi party system? From my view, the US isn't homogenous anymore, the diversity of views that people hold don't fit either party. There's no moderation anymore. The two parties aren't mixing views and formulating views that cover the weaknesses of each other's ideology. The only thing they seem to come together are on policies favoring giant corporations. It's kinda frightening actually. The end result of those policies are Mexico and China...

So how do alternative parties become viable when the two major parties are more than willing to work together to maintain the status quo that serves them so well? There is only one way and it's a long shot. An Article V convention called by the states with one of several goals being to cut off funding to political parties. Congress is not going to change Congress in any meaningful way. Only the states wield enough power because the people forfeited their power a long, long time ago to the allure of government handouts.

Great civilizations have fallen before and we are far from being immune to that. When you raise generations of people to believe that capitalism is an evil that must be not reined in but eradicated, that people exist to serve government, then combine those teachings with "leaders" that get elected not once, but twice by telling the people that their desire is to fundamentally transform the nation and it's not difficult to see where we are headed. The worst part is that this agenda is nothing new. It's been utilized before. It only needs minor tweaks to suit the times it's being used in. People keep falling for it.

Our leader, Barack Obama, just went to China to tell them to get on board with his latest plan. That's insanity on display for the world to laugh at. Walk into the bank that holds your mortgage and tell them what changes you want them to make and watch their reaction. You'd be lucky if they didn't laugh you out of their office. Obama has diminished the power our nation once held willfully and purposefully and he isn't intelligent enough to understand the ramifications of those actions. He even dressed up to look like them! He didn't have the balls to tell them that no, a suit and tie is how the President of the United States of America dresses.

The people don't have the will to stop electing people like him. Our last hope is the power that the states still have but have forgotten they have. It's all or nothing and I fully expect nothing is going to win in the end. We will be fundamentally transformed.

 

[TuSpockShakur]

The end of birth right citizenship for children born to illegals in this country has to be part of any meaningful solution.