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Obama to order immunity for young illegal immigrants

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rdubbz said:
what's so difficult to comprehend? I'm a card carrying, half Osage indian. I think I have a good understanding of the consequences of "open borders".
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i'm not saying it's right, or wrong, or how it will play out, i'm just saying it's what will come to pass.
 
When the Mexicans finally take over and deport Whites back to Europe by giving them a pair of fins, it will be well earned.
 
BoberFett said:
Most of those "illegal immigrants" that came here in the past lived by the sweat of their brow. They worked hard for everything they had. They toiled in the fields or did some other labor and made their own way here in the fledgling US. What they did not do is come here and expect free emergency room services, free schooling, free groceries, free housing and free money in amounts greater than what they were contributing to their community.

Just saying.
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So that makes it OK that they were illegal immigrants?

When can we expect the GOP to add "amnesty for hard working illegals" to their party platform?
 
IGBT said:
no surprise. He does this because he needs the votes. If they were voting republican he'd be out there rounding them up personally and have the Nat.Guard on the border with machine guns blazing.
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They can't vote. They aren't even residents, much less citizens
 
Broheim said:
the US is made up almost entirely by "illegal immigrants", just saying.
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illegal to who?

was there immigration laws we broke?? did those "illegal" immigrants suck the teat of free social services???

just sayin....



why dont you pull your head out of your butt and come up with a new valid argument.
 
This has nothing to do with the 9% Latin American vote which he dominated in 2008 and are not happy with his economic policies, absolutely nothing.

Give me a break, this is beyond ridiculous. I can't get jobs for Americans, but by God I'll add more immigrants to the labor force as long as it makes me look good to the LatAM vote.
 
Jaskalas said:
Did the nature of the immigrant change, or the country hosting them?

Used to be the US never provided such social services. So no duh immigrants did not take advantage of them. These days we simply allow it, and so they make use of what we provide.

That appears to be entirely our fault, not theirs.
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I agree completely. The country changed, not the immigrant. Either way, we can't afford to import millions of unskilled workers to an already stressed employment situation and offer them free everything. So one option is that country can change again and deny benefits to recent immigrants, but that will never happen. Or we can deny entrance to anyone who doesn't go through proper immigration channels. That's more likely, but only slightly so. So basically we're fucked. We're going to become Mexico.
 
BoberFett said:
I agree completely. The country changed, not the immigrant. Either way, we can't afford to import millions of unskilled workers to an already stressed employment situation and offer them free everything. So one option is that country can change again and deny benefits to recent immigrants, but that will never happen. Or we can deny entrance to anyone who doesn't go through proper immigration channels. That's more likely, but only slightly so. So basically we're fucked. We're going to become Mexico.
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But but, 9% of the voting population is at stake. We have to come up with something!
 
Moonbeam said:
When the Mexicans finally take over and deport Whites back to Europe by giving them a pair of fins, it will be well earned.
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Since when are "Mexicans" a race? Like most countries in North, Central and South America the population consists of both people of Indian descent, people of European descent, and people that are a mixture of those 2 who can range in skin color anywhere from lily white to deep brown. Will this mythical race of Mexicans be deporting their fellow Mexicans that don't meet some color chart determinant?
 
thraashman said:
Um ... they don't vote. Only citizens can vote. Even if the potential path to citizenship occurs it'll be long past the election.
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I thought Democrats were generally against requiring ID to vote? If you don't need to show ID to vote, what's stopping non-citizens from voting?
 
If youre reading this thank a teacher.
If youre reading this in English thank a soldier.
Si youre leyendo esto en español, gracias a un político.
 
So we have ten of millions of well educated people around the world, able to speak English fairly well, with skills, that will have to wait for years and years to go through all the red tapes of LEGAL immigration process and the ILLEGALS would get free passes and get ahead of the line.

I can see it now...them ILLEGALS chanting "YES WE CAN!!!"

We need more highly skilled people come in the US to build the next Intel, Google, Yahoo, Paypal, etc. (all of those companies are found or co-found by LEGAL immigrants), not more uneducated and unskilled peasants.

Remember, if you have to, you can make a doctor to wash dishes, but you can not make a dishwasher to do an open heart operation.
 
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BoberFett said:
I thought Democrats were generally against requiring ID to vote? If you don't need to show ID to vote, what's stopping non-citizens from voting?
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It's not even that. 9% of the population is registered and Latin American. Many are fairly unhappy with the with the economic policies under Obama and this is a group he dominated in 2008 and needs in 2012.

If he loses the LatAM vote in 2012, his chances of reelection go down significantly. This is pure pandering. Plain and simple.
 
thraashman said:
No Obama ordered them to stop mass purging voter rolls because they knew they were purging more legal voters than illegal. Do you conservatives not realize how illogical it is that someone who fears deportation would go to the risk of signing up to be a voter?
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Are you part of the Obama truth team? those wheels must be spinning overtime.

If they vote for Obama he'll make them legal. He's already proving he can make up or ignore any laws he wants. Why even have congress. USA has come full circle to having a monarch.
 
As I posted on another forum where we're having the same discussion:

I have kind of mixed feeling about this.

On the one hand, they're illegal immigrants and should be deported as soon as they're discovered...

On the other hand, they did nothing illegal since they were brought here by their parents, have (for the most part) lived as legally as possible...were good students, broke no other laws.

I DO NOT support the "DREAM Act," however...illegal immigrants should not be eligible for ANY kind of state or federal support, benefit, or waiver of tuition.

For that matter, LEGAL immigrants should not be eligible for any kind of state or federal support or benefits either.

Those kinds of things should ONLY be available for US citizens. (native born or naturalized...doesn't matter)

I've known a few people who were brought here illegally by their parents. Most spoke perfect English w/o any noticeable accent, held jobs, and were otherwise, no different than most "second-generation" immigrants.

BUT, they're still here illegally, and by giving them a "pass" on their immigration status is essentially just another fucking amnesty program.

Box em all up and ship them back to whatever country they're originally from.

Box car or pine box...it's up to them.

Also, yes, I see this as a bit of pandering to the Hispanic community by the President. While the illegal immigrants (theoretically) can't vote, the citizens of Hispanic origin CAN and DO vote...and they'll likely see this as a good thing for their group.

(although I know some legal immigrants from several countries, who have gone through the process and became citizens who are against any softening of the illegal immigration laws. Why should the illegals be allowed to "skip the process and expenses" of immigrating here legally?)
 
Can this actually be legal? Isn't he betraying this country for the "human" of another country? How come no one is taking a shot at him?
 
Throckmorton said:
So that makes it OK that they were illegal immigrants?

When can we expect the GOP to add "amnesty for hard working illegals" to their party platform?
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Nobody says they aren't hard working. I'd wager than a large percentage of illegal immigrants work harder than natural born American citizens. But hard work doesn't change the fact that they drive down wages and consume more in government funds than they contribute to the economy. With as much as Democrats focus on the plight of the middle class in this country, it's difficult to understand why they support importing in vast numbers of unskilled laborers to ensure that wages reach parity with our third world neighbor to the south.
 
Absolutely disgusting abuse of power by the president. If Obama really wanted congress to address this he would of secured the god damn boarder. Only when this happens can anything get done. Nice of Obama to give more incentive for people to jump the boarder. I can only imagine how many more billions this will cost tax payers. I hope the republicans keep the house and grid lock for 2 years in retaliation for this abuse of power.
 
michal1980 said:
So what you are saying is that 50% of ILLEGALS (not f-ing undocumented, stop trying to change the language) are criminals.

Seems like much higher then our citizens.
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Well done, you completely misread his explanation and his point, not too mention the language of the law, which apparently does not matter to you.
 
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