Obama to order immunity for young illegal immigrants

[cybrsage]

What makes you think this isn't their home country? :hmm:

If they were born here they would not be immigrants. Since they are illegal immigrants, that means they came here from somewhere else. Unless you are here legally, this is not your home country. It is the country you are currently illegally inside, but it is not your home country. Your home country is where they (used to before Obama started to violate the laws) send you back to when you are caught.

 

[jackstar7]

It's true that you never hear about immigrants working hard these days and really sweating in the fields for their... wait, what?

Killed the natives "fair and square"?

What the fuck?

 

[nehalem256]

You realize this exact same accusation is made about every successive immigrant group, right?

There is no logical reason for children to be punished for the sins of their parents. Good idea, let's hope Congress doesn't fuck it up.

So maybe we can let them stay if their parents are turned in for child trafficking?

 

[cybrsage]

the US is made up almost entirely by "illegal immigrants", just saying.

309,305,000 people in the US were born in the US as of 2010. If you are born here, you are not an immigrant.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/acs-19.pdf

Your fail, it is strong.

 

[cybrsage]

There is no logical reason for children to be punished for the sins of their parents. Good idea, let's hope Congress doesn't fuck it up.

The children are also committing the same crime, they are not innocent. Too bad your view stops with those who are already born and does not include the unborn.

 

[nageov3t]

if Obama can define anyone of military age standing next to a (suspected) terrorist as an enemy combatant by fiat, surely redefining illegal alien isn't much of a stretch.

 

[Jaskalas]

Most of those "illegal immigrants" that came here in the past lived by the sweat of their brow. They worked hard for everything they had. They toiled in the fields or did some other labor and made their own way here in the fledgling US. What they did not do is come here and expect free emergency room services, free schooling, free groceries, free housing and free money in amounts greater than what they were contributing to their community.

Just saying.

Did the nature of the immigrant change, or the country hosting them?

Used to be the US never provided such social services. So no duh immigrants did not take advantage of them. These days we simply allow it, and so they make use of what we provide.

That appears to be entirely our fault, not theirs.

 

[xBiffx]

The children are also committing the same crime, they are not innocent. Too bad your view stops with those who are already born and does not include the unborn.

Illegal immigrant children are better than non-immigrant children. Try to keep up.

 

[Jaskalas]

I hate hearing this phrase time and time again. We invaded the Americas, fought wars and battles with the Indians, and drove them out fair and square.

If illegals want to stay here illegally, theyll need to invade us through bloodshed. I am not going to give up the US this easily.

This is the modern world, they've obviously found another means of doing it. We're not responding with violence, so why should they? There is no need to. We allow them, and they allow us.

 

[Jaskalas]

If they were born here they would not be immigrants...

Hah... That was more of a trick question.

You see, if we're never going to deport them, and they're going to live here the rest of their lives and have their own children / grandchildren, then this is most certainly their country and their home.

 

[Steeplerot]

Speak for yourself, ignorant euro trash.

This is irony at it's finest, what exactly do you think the USA is then?

It was literally the trash bin for the poor the elites did not want around anymore in Europe who stole the land by terrorism and genocide using the excuse of their god.

That's about as trashy as you can get. (although European history dwarfs the genocide of the US's founding.)

The United States learned from the best!

 

[michal1980]

so they should be jobless?

They can go back to their own countries and work...

Or try to work illegally... afterall they have no problems breaking other laws.

King Obama shouldn't just wave his magic wand and say, from this day forward any one breaking our laws can now legally have a job, just like any legal citizen of this country.

Once again liberals rewarding law breakers.

 

[xBiffx]

This is irony at it's finest, what exactly do you think the USA is then?

It was literally the trash bin for the poor the elites did not want around anymore in Europe who stole the land by terrorism and genocide using the excuse of their god.

You apparently missed the key word in your own answer.

 

[cybrsage]

Hah... That was more of a trick question.

You see, if we're never going to deport them, and they're going to live here the rest of their lives and have their own children / grandchildren, then this is most certainly their country and their home.

No, it will be the home of their children and grandchildren. They will always be here illegally, with their home country being somewhere else.

 

[Infohawk]

There is no logical reason for children to be punished for the sins of their parents. Good idea, let's hope Congress doesn't fuck it up.

It's not about punishment. Going to your parents' country (legally, your country) is not the end of the world.

 

[Pneumothorax]

Hah... That was more of a trick question.

You see, if we're never going to deport them, and they're going to live here the rest of their lives and have their own children / grandchildren, then this is most certainly their country and their home.

I love how Janet added the caveat 'this is not a means for amnesty...' are you f!@#in kidding me? lol Giving them a 2 year infinitely renewable work permit is basically amnesty. Meanwhile, my 30 year old cousin in the Phillipines is still stuck there as his siblings have petitioned for him LEGALLY over 15 years ago and still no green card. Too bad my home country doesn't share a border with the US where my uncle could've just brought him over when he was younger and gotten a free pass.

 

[thraashman]

I like when conservative talking points are at odds with eachother. Deportation isn't free, it costs money. If an illegal immigrant isn't committing crimes, is contributing to society, let their work become lega, tax it, let them maybe become a citizen. But no, they're not from 'Murrica money is no object get rid of those Mexcan boys.

 

[IGBT]

no surprise. He does this because he needs the votes. If they were voting republican he'd be out there rounding them up personally and have the Nat.Guard on the border with machine guns blazing.

 

[cybrsage]

I like when conservative talking points are at odds with eachother. Deportation isn't free, it costs money. If an illegal immigrant isn't committing crimes, is contributing to society, let their work become lega, tax it, let them maybe become a citizen. But no, they're not from 'Murrica money is no object get rid of those Mexcan boys.

If someone is an illegal, they ARE committing a crime. Law enforcement has never been free - but according to you we need to get rid of it, right?

Either enforce the law or remove the law.

 

[cybrsage]

no surprise. He does this because he needs the votes. If they were voting republican he'd be out there rounding them up personally and have the Nat.Guard on the border with machine guns blazing.

This

 

[thraashman]

no surprise. He does this because he needs the votes. If they were voting republican he'd be out there rounding them up personally and have the Nat.Guard on the border with machine guns blazing.

Um ... they don't vote. Only citizens can vote. Even if the potential path to citizenship occurs it'll be long past the election.

 

[xBiffx]

If someone is an illegal, they ARE committing a crime. Law enforcement has never been free - but according to you we need to get rid of it, right?

Either enforce the law or remove the law.

Or go the liberal method and just ignore the law, amiright?

 

[xBiffx]

Um ... they don't vote. Only citizens can vote. Even if the potential path to citizenship occurs it'll be long past the election.

Only citizens can vote, legally. But hey, these people aren't here illegally to begin with or anything. Why would anyone think they would break anymore laws? Crazy!

 

[Infohawk]

Deportation isn't free, it costs money.

It's not that clear that it would be a net loss. It costs at least $7,000 a year to educate someone in the US educational system. Illegal immigrants don't make enough money to compensate the state for that cost and they frequently have high fertility rates. So really spending some money up front could be financially prudent.

 

[michal1980]

Only citizens can vote, legally. But hey, these people aren't here illegally to begin with or anything. Why would anyone think they would break anymore laws? Crazy!

In wisconsin all you need is a cable bill to vote.

Liberals know these people vote. Just look at florida when King Obama ordered them not to look for illegals on voter rolls.