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Obama to order immunity for young illegal immigrants

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who the fuck are we to stop a family who migrates to better lands for opportunity? who else has done this in the world?

EVERYBODY. ESPECIALLY OUR CLOSE ANCESTORS..

geez i'm an independent and this whole NO ILLEGALS crap is horrible.. remember how this country was founded people.
 
zanejohnson said:
who the fuck are we to stop a family who migrates to better lands for opportunity? who else has done this in the world?

EVERYBODY. ESPECIALLY OUR CLOSE ANCESTORS..

geez i'm an independent and this whole NO ILLEGALS crap is horrible.. remember how this country was founded people.
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This is basically an appeal to tradition. Just because something was done in the past doesn't mean it's a good idea.
 
zanejohnson said:
who the fuck are we to stop a family who migrates to better lands for opportunity? who else has done this in the world?

EVERYBODY. ESPECIALLY OUR CLOSE ANCESTORS..

geez i'm an independent and this whole NO ILLEGALS crap is horrible.. remember how this country was founded people.
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We are a nation of laws, that's who. Without them this place would be more chaotic than it already is. Pretty hard to call yourself civilized if you don't follow the rule of law. It was founded through mass immigration, it continues through controlled immigration.
 
Infohawk said:
It's not that clear that it would be a net loss. It costs at least $7,000 a year to educate someone in the US educational system. Illegal immigrants don't make enough money to compensate the state for that cost and they frequently have high fertility rates. So really spending some money up front could be financially prudent.
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Having interned at a border hospital, a large number of these illegal parents are having 3 or more kids. (Based on their Gravida/Para scores on admission to labor & delivery). I really doubt the illegals, even when their incomes are taxed, are buying enough goods to come even close to paying $21,000 per year just for their kid's tuition. And we're still not including the welfare they almost always qualify for. And yes, there's plenty of legal residents who also fall in this category, but why add more to the rolls? It's not like we're running a budget surplus...
 
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thraashman said:
Um ... they don't vote. Only citizens can vote. Even if the potential path to citizenship occurs it'll be long past the election.
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big time fail.. You need ID to vote in a union election but not in public elections. They vote along with the dead liberals.
 
zanejohnson said:
who the fuck are we to stop a family who migrates to better lands for opportunity? who else has done this in the world?

EVERYBODY. ESPECIALLY OUR CLOSE ANCESTORS..

geez i'm an independent and this whole NO ILLEGALS crap is horrible.. remember how this country was founded people.
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the era of the "unsettled continent" is over. It's not 1810 any more.
 
xBiffx said:
Illegal immigrant seems to, by definition, bring with it a criminal history. So I guess this new policy applies to no one then? Who are these dipshits trying to kid, somehow they are law abiding people and don't pose a criminal threat? Except the fact that they broke and are breaking the law just being here. But somehow they are going to follow every other law from here on out, give me a fucking break.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...es-election-year-change-in-immigration-policy

I love the term in this story.



Exactly what the fuck is that?
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What crime are you guilty of if your parents bring you when you're extremely young?

And as clarification, it's a crime to cross the border while undocumented. It's not a crime to be here without documentation. About half our undocumenteds came here legally but overstayed their visas, which is not a crime. It potentially subjects you to deportation, which is a civil sanction, but not to criminal penalty.
 
zanejohnson said:
who the fuck are we to stop a family who migrates to better lands for opportunity? who else has done this in the world?

EVERYBODY. ESPECIALLY OUR CLOSE ANCESTORS..

geez i'm an independent and this whole NO ILLEGALS crap is horrible.. remember how this country was founded people.
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so Obama made it easier to get into the country legally then?

Oh wait. No he didn't. He just gave his voting block a pass.
 
IGBT said:
the era of the "unsettled continent" is over. It's not 1810 any more.
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ok then lets, for the sake of argument, assume, things are THAT much different in our place in time than in a mere 300 years ago.... then it's time to become more like the EU? because closing our borders, closing ourselves off from the cultures of the world... is? a little disturbing, and hitleresque..
 
michal1980 said:
so Obama made it easier to get into the country legally then?

Oh wait. No he didn't. He just gave his voting block a pass.
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look at it like a history book.. 50 years from now, this will turn into something bigger, something close to open borders.. has to be started in baby steps, like anything else.
 
michal1980 said:
In wisconsin all you need is a cable bill to vote.

Liberals know these people vote. Just look at florida when King Obama ordered them not to look for illegals on voter rolls.
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No Obama ordered them to stop mass purging voter rolls because they knew they were purging more legal voters than illegal. Do you conservatives not realize how illogical it is that someone who fears deportation would go to the risk of signing up to be a voter?
 
rdubbz said:
yeah, something bigger alright, like the national debt.
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this national debt thing is kinda getting crazy, i agree, but there will be a time when the debts will be called in... THAT's gonna be the deciding point, right now, not such a big deal as everyone makes it out to be.
 
thraashman said:
No Obama ordered them to stop mass purging voter rolls because they knew they were purging more legal voters than illegal. Do you conservatives not realize how illogical it is that someone who fears deportation would go to the risk of signing up to be a voter?
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Well considering they walk around holding signs and wearing shirts advertising their illegally status at rallies...
 
i also want to add that if we want to look at what this place will look like in 50-100 years, look to the EU, and the common immigration policys the countries share.
 
woolfe9999 said:
What crime are you guilty of if your parents bring you when you're extremely young?
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And as clarification, it's a crime to cross the border while undocumented.
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I believe you answered your own question. Also, stop trying to gain sympathy points by calling them extremely young? WTF does that even mean? This policy applies to illegal immigrants between the ages of 16 and 30 and they must have been living here for five years. That means the youngest this policy applies to is 11 at the time of immigrating here. That isn't extremely young by any definition. An 11 year old can and should know the difference between right and wrong and what a crime is. This policy applies to as many adults as it does minors as well as far as the age range goes.
 
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zanejohnson said:
this national debt thing is kinda getting crazy, i agree, but there will be a time when the debts will be called in... THAT's gonna be the deciding point, right now, not such a big deal as everyone makes it out to be.
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that's like saying "i just got laid off, and have 10k on my credit card, fuck it. let's go shopping!"
 
IGBT said:
big time fail.. You need ID to vote in a union election but not in public elections. They vote along with the dead liberals.
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Is there data that supports this position? Or is this just feeling-based?

Seems rather emotional based on your phrasing.
 
xBiffx said:
I believe you answered your own question. Also, stop trying to gain sympathy points by calling them extremely young? WTF does that even mean? This policy applies to illegal immigrants between the ages of 16 and 30 and they must have been living here for five years. That means the youngest this policy applies to is 11. That isn't extremely young by any definition. An 11 year old can and should know the difference between right and wrong and what a crime is. This policy applies to as many adults as it does minors as well as far as the age range goes.
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You can't even get the details of the policy right. It's in the linked article. The policy only applies to those who arrived before age 16. They can be legalized between the ages of 16 and 30 but they must have arrived before age 16. There are several additional criteria. One is that they must have lived here for at least 5 continuous, unbroken years.

And no, I didn't answer my own question because it was rhetorical. First of all, about half of our undocumented are not guilty of any crime, a fact which you clipped out because you had nothing to say and it makes you look like a fool for over-generalizing. More importantly, do you really think someone 15 years of age or younger is criminally responsible for a decision of his or her parent which they had no choice in? I guaranty you they are not, so your comment was completely wrong from start to finish. No, NONE of these people are "criminals." Their parents? Maybe, if they crossed the border illegally, but this policy does not legalize the parents.

- wolf
 
xBiffx said:
I believe you answered your own question. Also, stop trying to gain sympathy points by calling them extremely young? WTF does that even mean? This policy applies to illegal immigrants between the ages of 16 and 30 and they must have been living here for five years. That means the youngest this policy applies to is 11 at the time of moving here. That isn't extremely young by any definition. An 11 year old can and should know the difference between right and wrong and what a crime is. This policy applies to as many adults as it does minors as well as far as the age range goes.
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Wow, basic math failure on your part. Had to arrive here prior to them being 16 (still a child). Been here AT LEAST 5 years (could have arrived at age 2). Either quit trying to alter facts to fit your narrative or learn basic math, because one of those two it's what's happening here.

And to balance out the rate of illegal voter disenfranchisement that the GOP has been doing, Obama would have to increase the rate of illegal voters by 250,000 times. Because the rate of illegal voter fraud is so low that's how many legal voters the GOP purges for every illegal voter their multiple disenfranchisement movements actually stop.
 
michal1980 said:
They can go back to their own countries and work...

Or try to work illegally... afterall they have no problems breaking other laws.

King Obama shouldn't just wave his magic wand and say, from this day forward any one breaking our laws can now legally have a job, just like any legal citizen of this country.

Once again liberals rewarding law breakers.
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for those able to work then sure.

Are you expecting children who have been raised in the US and assimilated into US culture, many times only speaking English to be dragged back to their home countries where they practically are foreigners without any ability to communicate and just find a job in the cartel ridden neighborhoods? Yes... that can only end well....

The applicable kids talk like, act like, and feel like Americans, have an education, are not threats to society, and can contribute to society much more so in the US than where they were born.
 
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