Obama to make announcement on Cuba policy at 12est

[yllus]

There is apparently a lot of oil around cuba as well.

I very much doubt it - where did you hear/read this?

Cuba's huge and got a lot to offer. Gotta take it slow though - maybe 5-10 years, otherwise i think they'd really screw with the other carribean economies.

Same as above - where are you getting your information? Cuba is tiny - a population of just 11 million - and has almost nothing in resources or industry.

The one good thing to come out of the nightmare that is communism is that the population is relatively well-educated, so they stand some hope of putting together a real nation when the Castros finally move on. I hope this move by the U.S. does the people there some good.

 

[peonyu]

That doesn't make sense.

Cuban's can't be deported, so nobody's "grandmother" could have been deported.

Fern

I did say Hispanics, Cubans are a minority of the hispanics in South Florida, even though they dominate here politically and economically. The majority are South Americans and a growing number of Haitans, both groups have a large number of illegals here. The Cubans born here [obviously] tend to sympathize with other Hispanics and vote for the "group" as a whole, which is usually Democrats now.

 

[Jhhnn]

The old Cubans in Florida are still angry because their property was nationalized after the revolution, the Cubans in Cuba believe that the ones who left abandoned the property and shouldn't get it back and the younger Cuban Americans may not care.

Yeh, Batista's cronies have always harbored illusions of returning to Havana in glory. Most have died off & younger Americans of Cuban ancestry mostly see themselves as Americans.

They had a lot of clout in Florida politics, particularly at the donor & base riling level.

The whole thing was goofy enough that Repubs could rave about Elian Gonzales & parental rights in the same breath. Janet Reno was Evil Incarnate when she ordered his deportation back to Cuba per his father's request.

Now, of course, they've decided that all illegal immigrant children should be deported.

Go figure.

 

[feralkid]

A dollar a day wages and short shipping routes.
Wal-Mart is probably scouting locations already.

African nations are next...

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So?

Did you think we were Communists?

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[Zorba]

so more single handed moves by Obama?

The imperial president strikes again.

And there you have it, proof of who is the biggest partisan on this forum. I think the only person on either side who is against this.

I am pretty sure congress will have to approved the end of the embargo.

I personally see no down side to this move, except another cheap place to outsource our labor. The embargo has done nothing but limit American's ability to travel and purchase goods. I am sure the cruise lines are already working on plans to build ports all over the place.

 

[K1052]

The US business and finance lobby has got to be drooling over the economic potential. It's a country of millions that needs basically every modern technology right on our doorstep and that could support sizable agriculture, biotech, tourism, and energy industries with US investment/support.

How can this be a hill that the GOP wants to die on?

 

[Jhhnn]

The US business and finance lobby has got to be drooling over the economic potential. It's a country of millions that needs basically every modern technology right on our doorstep and that could support sizable agriculture, biotech, tourism, and energy industries with US investment/support.

How can this be a hill that the GOP wants to die on?

Because... Obama!

Whatever he's for, they're against. They raised obstructionism & dragging down the opposition to an artform, then blame him for being ineffective.

The fact that too many people believe 'em is tribute to their propaganda prowess. They're the best in the business, other than maybe the Israelis.

 

[MagickMan]

Yeh, but you'll vote for him anyway.

Funny, since you'll lick any democrat's boots, no matter how much shit is caked on them.

 

[MagickMan]

And there you have it, proof of who is the biggest partisan on this forum. I think the only person on either side who is against this.

You're too stupid to see that it's possible to agree with an action but oppose how it was done. When are you dumbasses going to realize that the more he pushes the limits on executive orders, unchecked, the more power he's giving to future administrations? The ends don't justify the means when it comes to this level of politics.

 

[UberNeuman]

Finally, cheaper Cuban cigars...:thumbsup:

/or for Rush, cheaper Cuban boys...

 

[UberNeuman]

You're too stupid to see that it's possible to agree with an action but oppose how it was done. When are you dumbasses going to realize that the more he pushes the limits on executive orders, unchecked, the more power he's giving to future administrations? The ends don't justify the means when it comes to this level of politics.

Bring forth the impeachment then.... Bring it.

 

[K1052]

You're too stupid to see that it's possible to agree with an action but oppose how it was done. When are you dumbasses going to realize that the more he pushes the limits on executive orders, unchecked, the more power he's giving to future administrations? The ends don't justify the means when it comes to this level of politics.

What limits is he pushing? He is exercising the authority given to him under the constitution and laws passed by congress.

Given that Congress at this point could barely agree to take their collective hand off a hot stove without months of delay and histrionics I don't think he's acting unreasonably. This is factually the least productive Congress in the history of the country.

Edit: I was wrong. This Congress is only the 2nd least productive...only surpassed by the previous one.

 

[finglobes]

This explains a lot - Obama knows Russians are getting close to Cuba again :


"Months before President Obama announced on Wednesday that he is seeking to do away with decades of U.S. economic sanctions against the communist regime in Cuba, Russia concluded a security deal with Havana aimed at bolstering intelligence and military ties to the island dictatorship.

The Russia-Cuba agreement was announced May 16 when a memorandum was signed in Moscow establishing a joint working group between Russia's Security Council and the Cuban Commission for National Security and Defense.

The security agreement comes amid fresh U.S. intelligence agency concerns that Russia is taking steps to follow through on plans to conduct strategic nuclear bomber flights over the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea, possibly with the help of Cuba and Venezuela.

Russian official recently held discussions with both governments about the use of airfields for Russia's Tu-95 nuclear capable bombers, known as the Bear H. The bombers have been conducting large numbers of threatening flights near U.S. coasts in recent months...."

No wonder today Obama was setting us up with:

"I've instructed Secretary Kerry to review Cuba's designation as a state sponsor of terrorism...given Cuba's history, I expect it will continue to pursue foreign policies that will, at times, be sharply at odds with American interests."


"Interests" Obama himself doesn't support


"Intel concerns about Russia-Cuba ties preceded Obama’s deal to dismantle sanctions"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/17/inside-the-ring-us-intel-concerns-about-russia-cub/

 

[feralkid]

You're too stupid to see that it's possible to agree with an action but oppose how it was done. When are you dumbasses going to realize that the more he pushes the limits on executive orders, unchecked, the more power he's giving to future administrations? The ends don't justify the means when it comes to this level of politics.

So go ahead and try to sue him, Boehner.

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[WhipperSnapper]

Ironically, if your goal is to combat a nation's communist government, the best thing you can do is to establish strong trade relations with them and try to export your popular culture to the people.

 

[finglobes]

" best thing you can do is to establish strong trade relations with them and try to export your popular culture to the people"


Cuba is a communist gov - they get paid what regimes give them. ALL money will go to regime first. America's "popular culture" is now garbage. Porn, KFC, beer and sports aren't going to bring down communism. They are helping it in US.

 

[alcoholbob]

Nice. Maybe this means sugar prices can finally come down in the United States and reduce our reliance on corn syrup.

 

[feralkid]

Nice. Maybe this means sugar prices can finally come down in the United States and reduce our reliance on corn syrup.

Might be a sweet deal; beets me if that will happen, but it sure could raise cane with the rum industry.

 

[KMFJD]

Nice. Maybe this means sugar prices can finally come down in the United States and reduce our reliance on corn syrup.

The corn lobby laughs in your general direction.....

 

[Vic]

" best thing you can do is to establish strong trade relations with them and try to export your popular culture to the people"


Cuba is a communist gov - they get paid what regimes give them. ALL money will go to regime first. America's "popular culture" is now garbage. Porn, KFC, beer and sports aren't going to bring down communism. They are helping it in US.

Funny this didn't happen in communist China.

 

[trenchfoot]

The corn lobby laughs in your general direction.....

Yep, how the corn lobby got to convince the powers that be that using corn for producing ethanol, one of the lesser efficient plants to process for that purpose was the way to go is proof positive of how much corruptive power that segment of agribusiness has.

 

[alcoholbob]

As long as we have more options and cheaper sugar the better. I'm not saying it's going to be cheaper than corn syrup. I think most of the lobbyists will be the sugar growers in Florida though

 

[Jhhnn]

Funny, since you'll lick any democrat's boots, no matter how much shit is caked on them.

Heh. The only problem I have with some of my fellow Democrats is that they're too much like Republicans, having followed along at a distance in Repubs' all out charge for the Right Fringe. When we needed a new New Deal in 2009, we got Repub lite. They saved the banks & the big boys, left it to good old trickle down theology to do most of the rest.

That's def true of Obama, which tells any rational person that Repub leaders must be a lot more radical than they let on to hate him so desperately. Their base, mostly in the old Confederacy, hates him for entirely different reasons. If you don't think that the former Dixiecrat base didn't become Dixiepubs, you're delusional.

I always said that Clinton was the best Repub president since Eisenhower, but I think Obama has surpassed him in that regard.

From my perspective, there's hope for Dems. That's not true of Repubs, neither of their predatory leadership nor their delusional Teahadist base.

 

[Vic]

It's about damn time. Not sure what prompted this, but good on the Obama administration.

Russia's and Venezuela's economies are in severe crisis due to falling oil prices, and Cuba relies heavily on both of them for aid in order to prop up its own failed communist economy.

 

[BoberFett]

Ironically, if your goal is to combat a nation's communist government, the best thing you can do is to establish strong trade relations with them and try to export your popular culture to the people.

Truth.