Obama to make announcement on Cuba policy at 12est

[MagickMan]

What limits is he pushing? He is exercising the authority given to him under the constitution and laws passed by congress.

Given that Congress at this point could barely agree to take their collective hand off a hot stove without months of delay and histrionics I don't think he's acting unreasonably. This is factually the least productive Congress in the history of the country.

Edit: I was wrong. This Congress is only the 2nd least productive...only surpassed by the previous one.

You might want to study the law, but the president cannot enact Constitutional plans, aka. "Acts" by executive fiat, except when there's a true national crisis (there wasn't), and even then they're only temporary. What he's doing sets dangerous precedent, hell, he's already been slapped down once this week. At least we can hope all of his overreaching orders become overturned, because the alternative is an open door to a dictatorship. You guys get that, right? Even you can see through the cult of personality long enough to realize that one person calling all the shots in a democracy is a bad thing, right?

 

[MagickMan]

Bring forth the impeachment then.... Bring it.

What impeachment? The courts will just suspend all of his orders, like they did with the one this week, and then what?

 

[MagickMan]

So go ahead and try to sue him, Boehner.

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There are already so many suits in the pipeline, Obama will be lucky if his breakfast order isn't overturned.

 

[Jhhnn]

You might want to study the law, but the president cannot enact Constitutional plans, aka. "Acts" by executive fiat, except when there's a true national crisis (there wasn't), and even then they're only temporary. What he's doing sets dangerous precedent, hell, he's already been slapped down once this week. At least we can hope all of his overreaching orders become overturned, because the alternative is an open door to a dictatorship. You guys get that, right? Even you can see through the cult of personality long enough to realize that one person calling all the shots in a democracy is a bad thing, right?

Heh. Judge Schwab is a notorious right wing toadie-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_J._Schwab

If he's right, by some miracle, it'll be for all the wrong reasons.

 

[ivwshane]

You might want to study the law, but the president cannot enact Constitutional plans, aka. "Acts" by executive fiat, except when there's a true national crisis (there wasn't), and even then they're only temporary. What he's doing sets dangerous precedent, hell, he's already been slapped down once this week. At least we can hope all of his overreaching orders become overturned, because the alternative is an open door to a dictatorship. You guys get that, right? Even you can see through the cult of personality long enough to realize that one person calling all the shots in a democracy is a bad thing, right?

What are you babbling about? Obama already said he will be going to congress to remove the embargo. He hasn't done anything illegal with this move.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/12/17/371398638/cuba-frees-american-contractor-alan-gross

 

[Jhhnn]

What impeachment? The courts will just suspend all of his orders, like they did with the one this week, and then what?

Exaggerate often? What order was suspended earlier this week?

 

[fskimospy]

You might want to study the law, but the president cannot enact Constitutional plans, aka. "Acts" by executive fiat, except when there's a true national crisis (there wasn't), and even then they're only temporary. What he's doing sets dangerous precedent, hell, he's already been slapped down once this week. At least we can hope all of his overreaching orders become overturned, because the alternative is an open door to a dictatorship. You guys get that, right? Even you can see through the cult of personality long enough to realize that one person calling all the shots in a democracy is a bad thing, right?

It's funny for you to talk about others understanding the law while citing an opinion that has no power and has been roundly mocked as ridiculous.

But hey, it told you what you wanted to believe so there's no point in seeing if it is bullshit.

 

[Jaskalas]

Ironically, if your goal is to combat a nation's communist government, the best thing you can do is to establish strong trade relations with them and try to export your popular culture to the people.

100% agreed.

You'd think Republicans of all people would appreciate American exceptionalism and our capacity to economically and culturally dominate Cuba.

You'd think Republicans of all people would appreciate opening up Cuba to our side instead of insisting Cuba has to rely on our enemies abroad. Do national security interests mean nothing to them?

Republican opposition to a sane policy needs to end before it begins. Before the nation sees how phony their belief in America and its national security is.

 

[fskimospy]

What impeachment? The courts will just suspend all of his orders, like they did with the one this week, and then what?

Hahaaha. I will eat my shoe if this judges order leads to a single immigration action of Obama being halted for even one second.

Posts like yours come from stupid people hearing what they want to hear.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Bring forth the impeachment then.... Bring it.

Republican logic...normalize relations with a small island nation that's quasi-commie and you should be impeached...lie to the American people about weapons of mass destruction resulting in the deaths of thousands of Americans at a cost of trillions of dollars and you should be lionized.

 

[UberNeuman]

Republican opposition to a sane policy needs to end before it begins. Before the nation sees how phony their belief in America and its national security is.

oh. It's far too late for that - and you're wise enough to know this.

So where do you go from here?

 

[Vic]

You might want to study the law, but the president cannot enact Constitutional plans, aka. "Acts" by executive fiat, except when there's a true national crisis (there wasn't), and even then they're only temporary. What he's doing sets dangerous precedent, hell, he's already been slapped down once this week. At least we can hope all of his overreaching orders become overturned, because the alternative is an open door to a dictatorship. You guys get that, right? Even you can see through the cult of personality long enough to realize that one person calling all the shots in a democracy is a bad thing, right?

Um.. what? Negotiating with foreign nations is arguably the President's most important Constitutional power. Obviously he has to present his recommendations to Congress, but the Constitution clearly gives him the ability to act before acquiring their approval.

 

[unixwizzard]

Russian official recently held discussions with both governments about the use of airfields for Russia's Tu-95 nuclear capable bombers, known as the Bear H. The bombers have been conducting large numbers of threatening flights near U.S. coasts in recent months...."

as they have been doing on and off since the 1960's..

I can't help but chuckle when I read or hear about this and the worry and consternation it causes today. I guess if people knew just how often there were Soviet bombers flying off the east coast in the 80's they'd be shitting bricks.

 

[MongGrel]

Republicans and Logic go together like Jumbo and Shrimp.

You can say it, but it really doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Jaskalas]

So where do you go from here?

Grab popcorn for 2016?

 

[shira]

Heh. Judge Schwab is a notorious right wing toadie-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_J._Schwab

If he's right, by some miracle, it'll be for all the wrong reasons.

Furthermore, Schwab's opinion didn't strike down Obama's executive action at all. The irony is that he actually went out of his way to allow the illegal immigrant in the case to withdraw his guilty plea in order to seek more favorable treatment under the President's new immigration policy (the defendant was brought to his court in a criminal case, and Schwab sought outside briefs to help him determine if the new policies might provide the defendant with additional legal recourse). It was in reviewing the briefs that Schwab made his statement that Obama's executive action was illegal; but that wasn't an official judicial action.

In addition:

In 2008, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported Schwab had the "lowest ranking among federal judges" by 797 lawyers in the Allegheny County Bar Association.

 

[trenchfoot]

What are you babbling about? Obama already said he will be going to congress to remove the embargo. He hasn't done anything illegal with this move.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/12/17/371398638/cuba-frees-american-contractor-alan-gross

Yeh, but what does that matter when PRESIDENT Obama (of all the unholy things that could ever happen to our beloved country) is a black Democrat of very questionable birthright who is surely in league with those unknown, unseen, unrecognizable yet somehow very real terrorist boogymen that haunt every conservative's nightmares to no end?

I mean, look at how Obama has practically destroyed the very fabric of our nation when, on his watch there occurred the killing of Bin Laden, the ever improving economy, the creation of a national health plan that's getting more and more popular as time goes by, the maintenance of those social assistance programs that every single state in the union is benefiting from, and now, the piece de resistance: the first moves toward normalizing relations with Cuba....I mean, look at how all of that has led to the absolute downfall of our once proud nation that the Repubs have been predicting from the day Obama threw his hat in the ring.

Look at how the economy is crashing around our ears and how the morals of our nation have sunk to levels not seen since the roaring 20's? Things are even worse than when the stock market crashed back in '29.

Just ask any true blue conservative for proof. They'll tell you.

 

[MagickMan]

Exaggerate often? What order was suspended earlier this week?

What are you babbling about? Obama already said he will be going to congress to remove the embargo. He hasn't done anything illegal with this move.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/12/17/371398638/cuba-frees-american-contractor-alan-gross

Ahh, the chorus of partisan twats, all ready and willing to lick Obama's ass. Too ignorant to see how shithead Obama is unbalancing the gov't. Wait until someone you aren't blowing takes office, then we'll see how happy you are.

Hahaaha. I will eat my shoe if this judges order leads to a single immigration action of Obama being halted for even one second.

Posts like yours come from stupid people hearing what they want to hear.

Who said I'm just talking about immigration, you stupid shill.

 

[UberNeuman]

Grab popcorn for 2016?

Grab all the popcorn you want. I'll grab ash and toss upon those that are D.O.A...

/GOP movin' on out...

 

[MagickMan]

Furthermore, Schwab's opinion didn't strike down Obama's executive action at all. The irony is that he actually went out of his way to allow the illegal immigrant in the case to withdraw his guilty plea in order to seek more favorable treatment under the President's new immigration policy (the defendant was brought to his court in a criminal case, and Schwab sought outside briefs to help him determine if the new policies might provide the defendant with additional legal recourse). It was in reviewing the briefs that Schwab made his statement that Obama's executive action was illegal; but that wasn't an official judicial action.

In addition:

So, the lowest forms of life (lawyers) don't like him? Really? *yawn*

 

[MagickMan]

Republicans and Logic go together like Jumbo and Shrimp.

You can say it, but it really doesn't make a lot of sense.

You shits better pray to whatever gods you choose that Obama's methods for bypassing congressional acts are found unconstitutional, because if not, when a Republican takes office and starts inking his own orders that bypass the legislature (or even editing existing laws), you're all going to be screaming like little girls watching Friday the 13th at a slumber party. Precedent will have been set, it will happen, because power doesn't just disappear. It'll be time to pay the fucking piper and you'll be out of change.

 

[unixwizzard]

the ever improving economy

I guess you're one of them 1%ers making a killing in the stock market..

out here, in the real world, where the real (U-6) unemployment rate is still above 10% (11.4% as of Nov), things are not as rosy as being reported in the press. sure, the report of 341K jobs for last month sounds like all is rosy in the country - I would like to know how many of those jobs are actual living-wage paying jobs vs part-time and/or minimum wage jobs. I know in my small part of the world, all there is are part-time min. wage (would really like to move but cannot afford to).

anyway, back to the topic.. after listening to the MSM talking heads all day after this announcement, pretty much all of them (save for foxnews) agree that this new policy will bring about a major improvement to the Cuban economy. that made me wonder if President Obama got confused.. when looking for a way to improve the economy he mistook American for Cuban.

I just don't see how any of this will do a thing to improve the US economy or the poor job situation that millions of Americans have to deal with on a daily basis. The only ones in the US that I see gaining any benefit, are the big banks and Wall street, for the average person this won't do shit... unless of course, you consider the ability to buy Cuban cigars to be a benefit.

As one of the president's predecessors once said, "It's the economy, stupid." I wish we had a president and congress who really cared, who would focus for once on us little people. ah who am I kidding, I'll never see that happen in my lifetime.

 

[alcoholbob]

The real explosion of the use of executive action aka presidential memoranda use was in the Bush administration, and to a (much) lesser extent, the Clinton administration. Executive memoranda use was extremely limited up until then. It's true that Obama's use of it is a historic high but in terms of percentage growth over predecessors Bush Jr over Clinton eclipses it handily. Hell even Cheney seemed like a reasonable guy in the 80s. Seems like everyone lost their collective minds after 911. Bin Laden in many ways was successful in his attack against the US and using tried and true anti-empire tactics since the days of the Roman Empire, lol.

 

[CitizenKain]

Ahh, the chorus of partisan twats, all ready and willing to lick Obama's ass. Too ignorant to see how shithead Obama is unbalancing the gov't. Wait until someone you aren't blowing takes office, then we'll see how happy you are.




Who said I'm just talking about immigration, you stupid shill.

You really will believe any rightwing nonsense don't you? I know its easier then thinking, but give it a try.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ahh, the chorus of partisan twats, all ready and willing to lick Obama's ass. Too ignorant to see how shithead Obama is unbalancing the gov't. Wait until someone you aren't blowing takes office, then we'll see how happy you are.
Who said I'm just talking about immigration, you stupid shill.

Your hatred is irrational and your position on this issue absurd.

The Executive branch has *always* had the authority to establish diplomatic relations with other nations. That's all that's being done. The Constitution & tradition assign that to the Executive w/o qualification.

he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers

Article 2 section 3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Treaties

Obviously, the President chooses who those might be.

The President's power wrt foreign relations has been upheld repeatedly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Curtiss-Wright_Export_Corp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwater_v._Carter

Your Chicken Little routine is quite comical, anyway.