Obama to indefinitely imprison detainees without charges

[Zorkorist]

All emotions are irrational. That's why they are emotions.
•S: (adj) emotional (determined or actuated by emotion rather than reason)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=emotional

Which are the rationals?

Let me guess, your thoughts, are the rationals.

-John

 

[Vic]

Don't be so emotional. And, FYI, Americans are the infidels. Mmmk?

Mmm... what?

 

[Vic]

I trust government not at all, but I think mostly in the U.S. they do their best most of the time.

And, again, I am the infidel and you are the terrorist.

I wouldn't say fear drives me at all. Maybe vengeance? Retribution? Deterrence?

This is interesting. How did I become a terrorist?

 

[PJABBER]

All fear is irrational. Risk aversion is rational. There are greater things at risk here than our lives. We could raze every inch of the planet that's outside our borders. That would certainly protect us from foreign threats. But a rational person would also realize that there's no difference between a foreign threat and a domestic one.

Your neighbor might kill you in your sleep tonight, should you kill him now before he gets the chance?

Oh, I would say fear is very real and it can be a very rational reaction. It is a part of our human psyche and helped us survive as a species. Revenge, however, is best savored cold I hear.

We are not talking about peremptory nuking here. The Israelis might have a case for it, but we don't. At the moment, anyway.

And threats can certainly come from the domestic front. A number of Americans were captured in Pakistan trying to do dirty deeds. Let them face Sharia law there or bring them back here? What do you think?

 

[GaryJohnson]

Which are the rationals?

Let me guess, your thoughts, are the rationals.

-John

Thoughts are always rational.
•S: (n) thinking, thought, thought process, cerebration, intellection, mentation (the process of using your mind to consider something carefully)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=thought

I'm sure your thoughts are just as rational as mine, I just don't think you're having any.

 

[PJABBER]

This is interesting. How did I become a terrorist?

Whose side are you on anyway?

 

[Zorkorist]

Ah, but what are thoughts when in sheer terror?

-John

 

[Zebo]

Well now, you are splitting hairs aren't you? No one is talking about random killing, are they? Let's be sure, of course. Take all the time necessary to get required information.

Until a couple of years ago, there was a pretty good plan for prosecuting terrorists and those pesky non-state combatants using military tribunals. And it would not be too much of a stretch to impose mandatory life or death sentences upon conviction.

I am inclined to go the military tribunal route for all those foreign terrorists who get so far as to be charged. Good lawyers like Tom Cruise and Kevin Bacon and, my personal favorite, Catherine Bell, can square off. The revolution will not be televised, folks, but court records will be kept.

Americans citizens get to choose Door #2 and due process in a special federal civilian court designated for crimes of mass destruction, assassinations, etc., all standard protections apply. However, no Mirandizing until they get "debriefed" to the fullest extent possible. Take all the time you need.

If you renounced your American citizenship in pursuing this new career, or went overseas to kill, kill, kill, well, you get to go through Door #1 as I don't think you really qualify to be tried as an American.

Let's look at our little buddy Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. Anyone doubt he tried to kill a couple of hundred people and was hoping for a few thousand more?

He gets wicked crotch burns for his effort and wins an extended session with professional interrogators! Once they get everything useful out of him, give him his Miranda warning, an ACLU lawyer, a trial (we won't use any involuntary testimony) and then a choice of life at the local SuperMax or a chance to show us how well he can fly from an airplace at 10,000 feet over Lake Michigan. Sorry Umar! All out of parachutes for convicted terrorists!

How about our fat buddy KSM? One bad boy there. And smart. Yessiree. I would be inclined to give him an extra special long time to tell us everything he knows. Then Door #1. The hard part will be deciding what reward to give him after the trial. Suggestions from victims' families are welcome.

LOL thanks for the laugh I needed it. My thinking is not so clear here after witnessing Govt screw ups ...Waco comes to mind and plenty let out of prison after DNA results came back exculpatory...at same time we trust him with the football suitcase and world wide annihilation so I think a few hundred detainees is least we can afford him. But it must go through president case by case.

 

[Vic]

Whose side are you on anyway?

America's, of course. Why would you think otherwise?

 

[PJABBER]

Thoughts are always rational.
•S: (n) thinking, thought, thought process, cerebration, intellection, mentation (the process of using your mind to consider something carefully)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=thought

I'm sure your thoughts are just as rational as mine, I just don't think you're having any.

I wouldn't be so quick to characterize all thoughts as rational. I've been posting on P&N for about a year and I can assure you that based on that experience alone, I find much thinking is irrational.

 

[Vic]

Ah, but what are thoughts when in sheer terror?

-John

Sheer terror doesn't have thoughts.

 

[GaryJohnson]

Ah, but what are thoughts when in sheer terror?

-John

You guys are just making up bullshit now. As such, I hereby declare myself the winner of this argument. Good day sir.

 

[PJABBER]

Ah, but what are thoughts when in sheer terror?

-John

Well, I kind of get crystal when confronted by personal threat so as to get rounds on target. A few shakes afterward as the adrenaline fades, but nothing major. Don't know what sheer terror is. Maybe I'll find out when my wife finds out that I am not working and am still up wasting time on line at this hour.

 

[PJABBER]

America's, of course. Why would you think otherwise?

Wait, are YOU an infidel, too? D:

So who is the terrorist?

 

[PJABBER]

Sheer terror doesn't have thoughts.

I would be in sheer terror if I did not have thoughts.

Just sayin'.

I don't want to think about it.

 

[GaryJohnson]

Also, PJABBER, your sig is totally out of alignment with your world view, I recommend changing it to:

Rules for a happy life:
1. Hate everyone who isn't an American.
2. Worry about them trying to hurt you.
3. Kill them simply.
4. ???
5. Profit

 

[PJABBER]

You guys are just making up bullshit now. As such, I hereby declare myself the winner of this argument. Good day sir.

OK, Gary won. Tonight only. Leaving usually means you lose. Everyone knows this.

Since you left first, I am now free to leave second. Have a great weekend all! :awe:

 

[PJABBER]

Also, PJABBER, your sig is totally out of alignment with your world view, I recommend changing it to:

Rules for a happy life:
1. Hate everyone who isn't an American.
2. Worry about them trying to hurt you.
3. Kill them simply.
4. ???
5. Profit

Oh, you did not leave! You tricked me into almost leaving!

Are you some kind of infidel, too? D:

 

[Zorkorist]

Dude.

Attacking a guys signature is pretty lame.

And I guarantee he knows, and loves his signature more than you.

So, just shut the fuck up. Eh?

-John

 

[Zebo]

Also, PJABBER, your sig is totally out of alignment with your world view, I recommend changing it to:

Rules for a happy life:
1. Hate everyone who isn't an American.
2. Worry about them trying to hurt you.
3. Kill them simply.
4. ???
5. Profit

Until someone crosses you his sig is a good motto to live harmonious and happy. When they do all bets are off...come down on them like a ton of bricks.

 

[PJABBER]

Dude.

Attacking a guys signature is pretty lame.

And I guarantee he knows, and loves his signature more than you.

So, just shut the fuck up. Eh?

-John

Yeah, Gary, I am pretty emo about my sig. You, not so much.

:twisted:

 

[Zebo]

Well, I kind of get crystal when confronted by personal threat so as to get rounds on target. A few shakes afterward as the adrenaline fades, but nothing major. Don't know what sheer terror is. Maybe I'll find out when my wife finds out that I am not working and am still up wasting time on line at this hour.

Exactly this fear canard is such BS... just another way to marginalize those who wish to be proactive on terror, after all no one wants to be a coward. I never felt fear in service in fights in Inglewood at 3am only time was speech class.

 

[Craig234]

You guys are just making up bullshit now. As such, I hereby declare myself the winner of this argument. Good day sir.

Just make this a macro now.

 

[BladeVenom]

I'd like to hear the thoughts on this topic from some of the resident lefties who were so vocal against their opposition to Bush regarding this issue. I wonder, will their criticism of Obama sting as much as their criticism of Bush? We'll see.

The following post is delightful in its irony.

LOL! Great post.

 

[boomerang]

It seems Barry is smarter than I ever gave him credit for. But he really needs to pick up the pace on the decision making.