Obama to hike 10-year deficit to $9 trillion

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Yeah and who said it did't? I just pointed out a way we could reduce dept. Would you rather we continue to give money to the Paks, Israelis, the Hobbits in Honduras and Borat in Georgia or do away with SS, Meidcare, Medicaid and watch grandmother and grandfather die in poverty?

if you sort wealth by age group, SS recipients are the wealthiest group in the country.

That may be true (probably is). I wonder how it breaks down into subgroups there (i.e. what % of the people have what % of the money). I would tend to think that there are a few very well off "billionaire type" that skew the numbers (can't tell without seeing more data).

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: OCguy
Your liberal European friends are sure not going to like protection from the Red tanks being taken away.

hahaha you still think communism was ever a thread to the world, find a new boogie man, I hear brown people and gays are in vogue to demonize currently.

I actually had a response typed out, but then I saw who I was replying to.


I didnt say what I believed. Our large military bases were left in Europe to protect them, and they love it.

Maybe you should tell them to hate "gays and brown people" too.

ZeGermans is a buffoon the likes of which this forum has never seen (and think of McOwen when you think of the incredible feat that is). The next intelligent comment he makes would be his first and probably only one.

The Europeans can defend themselves as far as I am concerned too. Time to cut back on being the world's policeman as well.

Welcome to my world Ze

Last of the True Real Americans.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: OCguy
Your liberal European friends are sure not going to like protection from the Red tanks being taken away.

hahaha you still think communism was ever a thread to the world, find a new boogie man, I hear brown people and gays are in vogue to demonize currently.

I actually had a response typed out, but then I saw who I was replying to.


I didnt say what I believed. Our large military bases were left in Europe to protect them, and they love it.

Maybe you should tell them to hate "gays and brown people" too.

ZeGermans is a buffoon the likes of which this forum has never seen (and think of McOwen when you think of the incredible feat that is). The next intelligent comment he makes would be his first and probably only one.

The Europeans can defend themselves as far as I am concerned too. Time to cut back on being the world's policeman as well.

Welcome to my world Ze

Last of the True Real Americans.

If by "True Real Americans," you mean "Jealous, borderline communist comrades," you are correct.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

If by "True Real Americans," you mean "Jealous, borderline communist comrades," you are correct.

How would you know, looked in the mirror?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: blanghorst

If by "True Real Americans," you mean "Jealous, borderline communist comrades," you are correct.

How would you know, looked in the mirror?

How would I know? I've read your ridiculous postings for years. Just because my join date is 2007 doesn't mean I haven't been here much longer -- I have lurked since 99. Let me summarize your views and tell me which, if any, I have misinterpreted:

1. Rich people are evil. They need to leave the US.
2. The government should provide health care, jobs, etc. to the remaining people.
3. Corporations are evil. The government should employ serious tactics to stop their "greed" and "outsourcing," even if it means taking them over outright or closing them up.

Correct so far?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

ZeGermans is a buffoon the likes of which this forum has never seen (and think of McOwen when you think of the incredible feat that is). The next intelligent comment he makes would be his first and probably only one.

The Europeans can defend themselves as far as I am concerned too. Time to cut back on being the world's policeman as well.

This forum has seen many similar buffoons. ZeGermans is simply the left's version of Spidey07. They're both either intentionally trolling, or batshit insane.

 

[Druidx]

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: Druidx
Two things I don't understand.
* How can the projected deficit grow after Obama's team identified $100 million in spending cuts?

* The CBO originally predicted a 9.1T deficit. In an attempt to minimized the effect of their spending, the Obama administration chuckled at that number and said it would ONLY be 7.1T. Now the Obama administration admits it will be 9 Trillion. If the Repugs had done that, people here screaming about lies and conspiracy. So why do the same people have no problem with the Obama "do-over" on the deficit predictions?

I'm hoping the first question is tongue-in-cheek.

As to the second, the monumental deficit spending is for programs they believe the country needs. They're the must-dos of a long wish list that's grown over the years. It doesn't matter what the cost is because the thought processes behind them are not based on hard data and common sense. They are instead based on "feelings". Deficit's of this unprecedented size would be criminal if "their" candidate was not it office. Their candidate is, so there is no problem.

BTW, these same folks will be crying big tears when inflation is in the high double digits. They'll be calling for yet more spending to correct that. When you spend 100, 1000 or 10,000 times more than you have, you still have to pay it back. You can generate more income or inflate the value of everything. In this case it will be both. We end up in a death spiral with no end in sight. Taxes are raised reducing the buying power of the public and in conjunction the cost of goods and services is through the roof. Unemployment remains at staggering levels. It's a big steaming bowl of not good. Eventually, someone gets in power that will take the necessary painful steps to start reversing the trend. It starts with cutting taxes. The left hates it, the right loves it and the cycle goes on and on and on.

But we've never seen deficit spending at these astronomical levels. We're in uncharted territory. When individuals get this far behind the eight ball, they declare bankruptcy. What does a country do?

From April of this year.

If you take out a 30 year mortgage you know the exact timeframe it will take to pay it back. How long will it take to pay back 9.1T? Not in my lifetime - that's for certain. Whatever happens means little to me. I won't be the one that has to pay it back.

Here's what a trillion looks like.

Yes my 1st question was sarcasm, a rather poor attempt it would seem. Luckily you did an excellent job of making my point for me.
:thumbsup:

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Worst president in the history of our union. And it's only been barely 8 months.

AHAHAHAHA.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
It's funny to read people c'plaining about Bush spending when Bama (who agreed with much of Bush spending) had it beat by 4 x before the winter snow was gone - and the "stimulus" was only 22% "stimulating". The rest was dumped down the money pit of entitlement transfers and Dem pork. Obama and the other Dems have done more damage in 6 months than any other entire admin got near creating. I really don't know how US survives 3 1/2 more years of this mayhem. Hillary would have been better and shes a nut too.

Funny, because Bush's deregulation helped cause this in the first place. The spending started under Bush ... and that is Obama's fault?

2 wars, no stem cell research, no push toward oil dependency, katrina, the patriot act, and doubling the deficit in a good economy... and obama is worse? I guess giving 50 million AMERICANS health care cannot compare to filling Halliburton's wallet with blood money.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well I know how we could reduce debt, stop all foreign aide, close bases around the world and drastically cut back on the military budget. Let someone else be the "Worlds Policeman"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2..._States_federal_budget

social welfare far exceeds military spending. Just over $1.2T for SS, medicare, medicaid. $700B for DoD.

Welfare helps americans. Military spending is mostly wasteful with no tangible result besides for jobs... might as well give the money to americans...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well I know how we could reduce debt, stop all foreign aide, close bases around the world and drastically cut back on the military budget. Let someone else be the "Worlds Policeman"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2..._States_federal_budget

social welfare far exceeds military spending. Just over $1.2T for SS, medicare, medicaid. $700B for DoD.

Welfare helps americans. Military spending is mostly wasteful with no tangible result besides for jobs... might as well give the money to americans...

Or just let them keep it since it is their money? Oh wait... some people think it's the gov't money...

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
It's funny to read people c'plaining about Bush spending when Bama (who agreed with much of Bush spending) had it beat by 4 x before the winter snow was gone - and the "stimulus" was only 22% "stimulating". The rest was dumped down the money pit of entitlement transfers and Dem pork. Obama and the other Dems have done more damage in 6 months than any other entire admin got near creating. I really don't know how US survives 3 1/2 more years of this mayhem. Hillary would have been better and shes a nut too.

Quick, find me substantive policy differences between Clinton 08 and Obama 08.

I'll save you some time....you won't.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
It's funny to read people c'plaining about Bush spending when Bama (who agreed with much of Bush spending) had it beat by 4 x before the winter snow was gone - and the "stimulus" was only 22% "stimulating". The rest was dumped down the money pit of entitlement transfers and Dem pork. Obama and the other Dems have done more damage in 6 months than any other entire admin got near creating. I really don't know how US survives 3 1/2 more years of this mayhem. Hillary would have been better and shes a nut too.

Funny, because Bush's deregulation helped cause this in the first place. The spending started under Bush ... and that is Obama's fault?

2 wars, no stem cell research, no push toward oil dependency, katrina, the patriot act, and doubling the deficit in a good economy... and obama is worse? I guess giving 50 million AMERICANS health care cannot compare to filling Halliburton's wallet with blood money.

Obama is the same. He has not done ANYTHING to reverse what you Bush haters hate about Bush, yet the apologies continue. Obama has continued as though Bush is still in office.

You know how you lefties laugh and point your finger at the Bush apologists? How roles have reversed eh?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well I know how we could reduce debt, stop all foreign aide, close bases around the world and drastically cut back on the military budget. Let someone else be the "Worlds Policeman"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2..._States_federal_budget

social welfare far exceeds military spending. Just over $1.2T for SS, medicare, medicaid. $700B for DoD.

Welfare helps americans. Military spending is mostly wasteful with no tangible result besides for jobs... might as well give the money to americans...

The money DOES go to Americans.....

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well I know how we could reduce debt, stop all foreign aide, close bases around the world and drastically cut back on the military budget. Let someone else be the "Worlds Policeman"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2..._States_federal_budget

social welfare far exceeds military spending. Just over $1.2T for SS, medicare, medicaid. $700B for DoD.

Welfare helps americans. Military spending is mostly wasteful with no tangible result besides for jobs... might as well give the money to americans...

The money DOES go to Americans.....

You're right in most cases. Still, military spending is about the worst 'bang for your buck' type of government spending possible. When the government spends a million dollars to build a road, I can drive on it. When the government spends a million dollars on a tank, I can... look at it? I mean of course we need a minimum level in order to prevent invasion and enforce our vital interests, but I think most reasonable people would say we've left that
level of spending behind a long time ago.

(note to government: please let me drive a tank, that would be awesome)

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Obama is the same. He has not done ANYTHING to reverse what you Bush haters hate about Bush, yet the apologies continue. Obama has continued as though Bush is still in office.

You know how you lefties laugh and point your finger at the Bush apologists? How roles have reversed eh?

Your post is simply factually incorrect. He has not continued the tax cuts for the rich, in fact he's trying to raise them. He has removed the ban on federal funding for stem cell research, an exact reversal of the anti-science tinge that progressives hated about Bush. He's reversed the Bush administration's approach to the regulation of carbon emissions, another thing progressives hated. He's pushing for universal health care (of a sort), something Bush would NEVER do. (it's not up to my standards, but it's certainly an improvement)

There are some things that Obama does that are the same things that Bush did, such as his treatment of executive power and civil liberties. I greatly dislike those things about Obama. To say that Obama has 'continued as though Bush is still in office' however is obviously false.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Obama is the same. He has not done ANYTHING to reverse what you Bush haters hate about Bush, yet the apologies continue. Obama has continued as though Bush is still in office.

You know how you lefties laugh and point your finger at the Bush apologists? How roles have reversed eh?

Your post is simply factually incorrect. He has not continued the tax cuts for the rich, in fact he's trying to raise them. He has removed the ban on federal funding for stem cell research, an exact reversal of the anti-science tinge that progressives hated about Bush. He's reversed the Bush administration's approach to the regulation of carbon emissions, another thing progressives hated. He's pushing for universal health care (of a sort), something Bush would NEVER do. (it's not up to my standards, but it's certainly an improvement)

There are some things that Obama does that are the same things that Bush did, such as his treatment of executive power and civil liberties. I greatly dislike those things about Obama. To say that Obama has 'continued as though Bush is still in office' however is obviously false.

Touche. The word "anything" was wrong. Should have stated he is close enough that there isnt really a net difference. "Trying" doesnt mean shit. As far as hot topic items go, he IS the same.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
He has removed the ban on federal funding for stem cell research, an exact reversal of the anti-science tinge that progressives hated about Bush.

Might want to check your facts. The federal ban was on EMBRYONIC STEM CELL research. EMBRYONIC STEM CELLS show ZERO benefit over other sources of stem cells.

But that is really off topic. What is on topic is why the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should be spending money on this type of thing in the first place. If a private company wants to invest in the technology...let them. These are the type of things the federal government SHOULD NOT be spending money on.

Interstate Highways - Yes
A community Center - No

Military - Yes
Local Police - No

The federal government should be the SMALLEST form of government. The rest should be left up to states, cities, and counties. How many pennies on the dollar do the states, counties, or cities get back after your tax dollar gets filtered by the federal government? I would much rather pay higher local tax a much lower federal tax than continue down the path we are currently on.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: eskimospy
He has removed the ban on federal funding for stem cell research, an exact reversal of the anti-science tinge that progressives hated about Bush.

Might want to check your facts. The federal ban was on EMBRYONIC STEM CELL research. EMBRYONIC STEM CELLS show ZERO benefit over other sources of stem cells.

Actually I believe it wasn't a "ban" on research - it was a "ban" on federal funding of Embryonic Stem Cell research.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well I know how we could reduce debt, stop all foreign aide, close bases around the world and drastically cut back on the military budget. Let someone else be the "Worlds Policeman"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2..._States_federal_budget

social welfare far exceeds military spending. Just over $1.2T for SS, medicare, medicaid. $700B for DoD.

Yeah and who said it did't? I just pointed out a way we could reduce dept. Would you rather we continue to give money to the Paks, Israelis, the Hobbits in Honduras and Borat in Georgia or do away with SS, Meidcare, Medicaid and watch grandmother and grandfather die in poverty?

Those are the only two options? eek

No, they are the two emotional "cling to's" for the looney left.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well I know how we could reduce debt, stop all foreign aide, close bases around the world and drastically cut back on the military budget. Let someone else be the "Worlds Policeman"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2..._States_federal_budget

social welfare far exceeds military spending. Just over $1.2T for SS, medicare, medicaid. $700B for DoD.

Welfare helps americans. Military spending is mostly wasteful with no tangible result besides for jobs... might as well give the money to americans...

This chocked FULL of lol. Damn all that military spending creating jobs, oh wait, jobs...that...help...people. IT would make much more sense to just give that money to the entitlement crowd right? That would really produce for the country.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Best way is just cut off any thievies hand. Thats the best way amount does.t matter stealing is stealing. Same with murder number doesn't matter . You kill you die.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well I know how we could reduce debt, stop all foreign aide, close bases around the world and drastically cut back on the military budget. Let someone else be the "Worlds Policeman"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2..._States_federal_budget

social welfare far exceeds military spending. Just over $1.2T for SS, medicare, medicaid. $700B for DoD.

SS is not a social funded. Its a TAX and the Tax payers owe SS lots of money . Were SS went wrong is it allows non-payers to recieve.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Welfare helps americans. Military spending is mostly wasteful with no tangible result besides for jobs... might as well give the money to americans...

Damn all that military spending creating jobs, oh wait, jobs...that...help...people.

Not trying to defend the current levels of defense spending, but military R&D produces many scientific advancements that are applicable to things other than "the slaying of brown people."

Armed with Science has aired many examples of military funded projects yielding technology / discoveries that have civilian uses.

I can personally attest that (at universities at least) projects funded by the military produce publications and patents that are spin-offs of the original work that can be applicable to many other areas.

A more direct example would be a military project at my former university that was studying the long term impact of a post-war and/or disaster conditions on the environment and how to minimize the harmful consequences.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well I know how we could reduce debt, stop all foreign aide, close bases around the world and drastically cut back on the military budget. Let someone else be the "Worlds Policeman"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2..._States_federal_budget

social welfare far exceeds military spending. Just over $1.2T for SS, medicare, medicaid. $700B for DoD.

Welfare helps americans. Military spending is mostly wasteful with no tangible result besides for jobs... might as well give the money to americans...

welfare helps americans. highly skilled technical jobs like engineering jobs are even better. DoD spending isnt just war. it's all the research and engineering that goes into any military product/technology. by taking away social welfare, you're making lives harder. by taking away military spending, you're just making a ton of more people go on welfare.