obama throws national intelligence director under the bus

[Texashiker]

Bush and his cronies got America to get into the Iraq mess,

You are full of crap.

You know what got us here? Reactionism to the events on 9/11.

At least Bush had the balls to do something. Obama is either sitting on his hands or playing golf.

This is a Texas hiker thread on this topic. Roll call for all the resident Islamophobes...please post in this thread.

Nice distraction. This has nothing to do with islam.

Instead of taking responsibility for this isis stuff blowing up, obama is passing the buck.

 

[squarecut1]

Whatever. You guys beat the hell out of Bush every chance you got. Criticized his every move, shopped pictures of him to make him look like a monkey, burned him in effigy, hung him in effigy, protested him in the streets and made every vile comment imaginable about him every single fucking chance you got. But that's the status quo. Tearing the President a new one has been and is a national pastime.

But no, no, no, not when Obama is in office! Why, why you guys are all a bunch of racists! You're just mean and spiteful and vengeful. You're all a bunch of haters! He's a wonderful man doing a very hard job to the very best of his ability. And so on and so on in a never ending sickening 'slobbering love affair'.

Cry me a fucking river.

I am not a Obama supporter. I did not vote for him, do not think highly of him, and am usually quite critical of him. I am not even a liberal by any standard definition of the word. I have no love for the Democratic party.

Sorry, you got your stereotype wrong. :|

 

[Victorian Gray]

You are full of crap.

You know what got us here? Reactionism to the events on 9/11.

At least Bush had the balls to do something. Obama is either sitting on his hands or playing golf.

Yep, balls so big he invaded a country that had nothing to do with anything.

 

[Jhhnn]

You are full of crap.

You know what got us here? Reactionism to the events on 9/11.

At least Bush had the balls to do something. Obama is either sitting on his hands or playing golf.

Reminds me of the Texas voter's comments on Rick Perry & the death penalty- "It takes balls to execute an innocent man."

Neither one makes sense to anybody not steeped in the dick waving traditions of Texas.

 

[squarecut1]

Reminds me of the Texas voter's comments on Rick Perry & the death penalty- "It takes balls to execute an innocent man."

Neither one makes sense to anybody not steeped in the dick waving traditions of Texas.

I think Texashiker is an extreme even by Texas standards, but then that may be just me being optimistic about the level of ignorance in this country

 

[Texashiker]

Neither one makes sense to anybody not steeped in the dick waving traditions of Texas.

You are just jealous. The only tradition Colorado has is getting high.

I am not even going into the mass shooting epidemic Colorado had.

 

[Kadarin]

Clapper needs to go for other reasons as well: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...ess-about-nsa-surveillance-clearly-erroneous/

 

[werepossum]

Yep, balls so big he invaded a country that had nothing to do with anything.

Nothing to do with anything? Seriously? Have you forgotten Gulf War 1.0, when Iraq invaded Kuwait and the liberal song about Bush I was that he failed to do the job?

We were still legally at war with Iraq. Certainly whether we should have invaded is an open question given that post-Saddam Iraq is no better for America (and most Iraqis) than Saddam Iraq, and given that the WMDs we thought they had manufactured didn't exist, but let's not pretend he threw a dart and Iraq lost.

As far as Bush having the balls to do something, Obama too is doing something. The risk is that he has waited too late. The advantage is that by waiting, we don't strike something that will fade away on its own, or worse, strike the wrong target. But either way, Obama's doing exactly what Bush did, only by half steps.

Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing depends on what those half steps accomplish.

 

[himkhan]

I am not a Obama supporter. I did not vote for him, do not think highly of him, and am usually quite critical of him. I am not even a liberal by any standard definition of the word. I have no love for the Democratic party.

Sorry, you got your stereotype wrong. :|

Anyone who isn't hooked up to a continuous IV drip, turned wide open with a 99% Rage Solution, is a liberal, socialist, Obama lover to the "thing" you quoted. That's not a man... that's a baby you replied to. Well they both wear diapers.......... you get the idea. ()

 

[himkhan]

You are full of crap.

At least Bush had the balls to do something. Obama is either sitting on his hands or playing golf.

He had to the balls to lie to the American people and invade a country that had nothing to do with the 9-11 attacks while clearing brush more than Obama ever could play golf in 10 lifetimes? Where does your mouth end and Bush begin human centipede? :hmm:

 

[Jhhnn]

Nothing to do with anything? Seriously? Have you forgotten Gulf War 1.0, when Iraq invaded Kuwait and the liberal song about Bush I was that he failed to do the job?

Quote the Liberals. This should be interesting.

We were still legally at war with Iraq. Certainly whether we should have invaded is an open question given that post-Saddam Iraq is no better for America (and most Iraqis) than Saddam Iraq, and given that the WMDs we thought they had manufactured didn't exist, but let's not pretend he threw a dart and Iraq lost.

As far as Bush having the balls to do something, Obama too is doing something. The risk is that he has waited too late. The advantage is that by waiting, we don't strike something that will fade away on its own, or worse, strike the wrong target. But either way, Obama's doing exactly what Bush did, only by half steps.

Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing depends on what those half steps accomplish.

I'm not seeing massive troop deployments & calling up the National Guard nor massive waves of official fearmongering & hysteria to support it. I'm not seeing hundreds of goatherders dragged to the other side of the world as show prisoners for domestic political purposes, either. I'm somehow missing the with us or against us rhetoric & the whole Terrarist Sympathizer! political bludgeon, as well.

You have a funny definition of "exactly", that's for sure.

 

[Texashiker]

He had to the balls to lie to the American people and invade a country that had nothing to do with the 9-11 attacks

Your hindsight is pretty good.

How old were you when 9/11 happened?

The people demanded someone pay for 9/11. Saddam just happened to be the guy.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Your hindsight is pretty good.

How old were you when 9/11 happened?

The people demanded someone pay for 9/11. Saddam just happened to be the guy.

I was old enough and I knew it was shit. Someone had to pay and half a million did including thousands of our soldiers. Doesn't that send a little chill of patriotic fervor up you leg? Sure it does.

 

[squarecut1]

Your hindsight is pretty good.

How old were you when 9/11 happened?

The people demanded someone pay for 9/11. Saddam just happened to be the guy.

People here don't demand anything. They just follow sheep like into whatever hysteria they are led into.

These days, it happens to be ISIS. They were showing this little clip on the Daily Show, one Senator after another, both Dems and Republicans, parroting the same lines from the same script, handed to them by their paymasters, . One, Lindsay Graham even said that they are going to kill us all!!

The average "people" here can barely locate America in the world map.

 

[MrPickins]

Your hindsight is pretty good.

How old were you when 9/11 happened?

The people demanded someone pay for 9/11. Saddam just happened to be the guy.

Our government, and the President in particular should be wise enough to stand up to pressure from the populace when they've been stirred into a mass panic and are acting irrationally.

Instead, the Bush administration and the legislature hopped right on board the bandwagon.

This is not the type of action to be lauded.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Our government, and the President in particular should be wise enough to stand up to pressure from the populace when they've been stirred into a mass panic and are acting irrationally.

Instead, the Bush administration and the legislature hopped right on board the bandwagon.

This is not the type of action to be lauded.

And yet we're willing to do it all over again.

 

[Orignal Earl]

At least Bush had the balls to do something.

22 US military suicides a day.
I wonder if Bush's balls feel that

 

[MrPickins]

And yet we're willing to do it all over again.

Unfortunately, it seems that way. :\


And I highly doubt it will turn out any better than any of our other activities in that area historically have.

 

[Jhhnn]

Our government, and the President in particular should be wise enough to stand up to pressure from the populace when they've been stirred into a mass panic and are acting irrationally.

Instead, the Bush administration and the legislature hopped right on board the bandwagon.

This is not the type of action to be lauded.

Oh, please. The Bush Admin ruthlessly exploited the greatest political windfall since Pearl Harbor to further their Neocon agenda, both at home & abroad. They drove the bandwagon, flogged the horses mercilessly.

Comparisons between that & what's happening today are hogwash.

 

[Jhhnn]

And yet we're willing to do it all over again.

Never tire of false equivalence, right?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Unfortunately, it seems that way. :\


And I highly doubt it will turn out any better than any of our other activities in that area historically have.

If the US were to actually invest in rebuilding these countries there would be improvement.
Nothing was finished in Iraq. All the money spent went into contractors pockets.
Right after WW2 a poll among the French asked who invested the most into winning the war.
They said Russia, 20 years later after the US made huge investments in rebuilding the country the poll was done again
The French said America invested the most

 

[squarecut1]

If the US were to actually invest in rebuilding these countries there would be improvement.
Nothing was finished in Iraq. All the money spent went into contractors pockets.
Right after WW2 a poll among the French asked who invested the most into winning the war.
They said Russia, 20 years later after the US made huge investments in rebuilding the country the poll was done again
The French said America invested the most

Improving Iraq was never their intention. Just like playing a constructive role in the middle east has never been the intention

Also, Germany and Japan post WW2 were atleast somewhat homogeneous societies. Iraq was not. An artificial post colonial construct. Its fate was sealed just about as soon as they decided to invade it.

 

[MongGrel]

I was old enough and I knew it was shit. Someone had to pay and half a million did including thousands of our soldiers. Doesn't that send a little chill of patriotic fervor up you leg? Sure it does.

+1

 

[sandorski]

Whatever. You guys beat the hell out of Bush every chance you got. Criticized his every move, shopped pictures of him to make him look like a monkey, burned him in effigy, hung him in effigy, protested him in the streets and made every vile comment imaginable about him every single fucking chance you got. But that's the status quo. Tearing the President a new one has been and is a national pastime.

But no, no, no, not when Obama is in office! Why, why you guys are all a bunch of racists! You're just mean and spiteful and vengeful. You're all a bunch of haters! He's a wonderful man doing a very hard job to the very best of his ability. And so on and so on in a never ending sickening 'slobbering love affair'.

Cry me a fucking river.

Ahh the good old days when the burning effigies meant I didn't need to turn on the heater during the winter months.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Nothing to do with anything? Seriously? Have you forgotten Gulf War 1.0, when Iraq invaded Kuwait and the liberal song about Bush I was that he failed to do the job?

We were still legally at war with Iraq. Certainly whether we should have invaded is an open question given that post-Saddam Iraq is no better for America (and most Iraqis) than Saddam Iraq, and given that the WMDs we thought they had manufactured didn't exist, but let's not pretend he threw a dart and Iraq lost.

As far as Bush having the balls to do something, Obama too is doing something. The risk is that he has waited too late. The advantage is that by waiting, we don't strike something that will fade away on its own, or worse, strike the wrong target. But either way, Obama's doing exactly what Bush did, only by half steps.

Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing depends on what those half steps accomplish.

9/11 happens and what does Bush do? He invades Iraq. Nuff said.

btw, the US was never in a declared war against Iraq. There have only ever been 5 formal declarations of war by the United States andf Iraq (either time) is not one of them.

The 1st Iraq war was authorized under UN Security Council resolutions and funded by appropriations by Congress.

The 2nd is simply considered to be a military engagement funded by Congress The House resolution never actually declared war.