Obama speech thread

[cubby1223]

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I already know Obama's point of view. He believes that his cap & tax system is the solution to our future energy demands. Did he provide any further information? You have the opportunity here, what did Obama say about the gulf oil spill that has not already been repeated a thousand times throughout the news the past two months? What has he said about cap & tax that has not already been said?

I do find it totally ironic that you are accusing me of what the President does every single day. Who decided to judge the Arizona illegal immigration bill without even reading it and not want to even meet with the AZ Governor? Who says he has nothing to gain from talking to the CEO of B.P.? Shall I continue down the list any further? Who pushed through a health care reform bill without talking to those who currently run the insurance businesses, you know, the jobs he says he can do better? This list can go on for a very long time.

 

[RedChief]

Wasn't Cap'n'Trade invented by Enron? Isn't BP one of the big pushers of CnT?

As to being in the Mid East for oil....wel if we were allowed to drill within our own territories where the oil is (including off both the east and west coast, expanded drilling in Alaska, etc) we would'nt need the oil from the mid east. Hell, we wouldnt even need deep water wells like the one that blew up.

 

[umbrella39]

We are in the middle east to kill the people (religious) that did 9/11.

Just FYI.

-John

Like the Iraqis ...

 

[Vette73]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65F05V20100616

If that timeline is correct, nobody can say Obama wasn't on it.

-John

Hush now, stop trying to bring facts into a spidy thread.

 

[Linflas]

Hush now, stop trying to bring facts into a spidy thread.

Funny that timeline only brings selected facts into the thread while totally ignoring all the other actions proposed and stopped by various bureaucrats and agencies during that same time period.

 

[shortylickens]

So I guess the lame response means folks didn't watch the President's speech from The Oval Office.

Really? Really guys? Really? I mean It's known that I don't like Obama, but did any of you watch it?

I know I did and do. I pay attention to everything he says and does. It's fricking important.

Think of the last times presidents spoke to the people from The Oval Office. Think about it. What are the last events that caused a president to make such an address? This isn't a freaking press conference, this is speaking to The People directly. I withhold any comments on his address only to make sure people understand the significance.

When then obviously he had the desired effect on you.

Think about it.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Did he tell us whose ass was going to be kicked?

 

[nick1985]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65F05V20100616

If that timeline is correct, nobody can say Obama wasn't on it.

-John

According to your link, Obama didnt say a fucking word about it for 9 fucking days.

Obama was not on it.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Actually we are in the middle east for oil and now for Lithium-Afghanistan. While true motive was obfuscated GW and his brains were using 9/11 as an opportunity. Think of it as just another Lusitania. Now we are not in this thread to challenge past. We are here to discuss the Obama's national address. Was it an effective speech? Very. Do people fear slowing down economic recovery with Cap and Trade? Hell yes!

While I agree that using this opportunity as a venue to push cap and trade may have been off the mark the reality is unless some decisive action is taken we will be at 7-10 dollar a gallon gas here in the US in the forseeable future. Drilling more holes in Anwar and off the coast of the US will not change that one bit. Oil is a fungible resource that sold in the open market. The ludicrous idea that drilling the US lessons our dependence on foreign oil is just not true. What is true is the money that is made from the leases. Revenue generated by oil drilling leases is what will be missed.

What needs to be addressed is cost vs risk. Is the risk of a future spill worth the revenue generated by oil leases? This is the direction I would hope the conversation goes towards. In the 70s and 80s Nuclear was the big thing. Three Mile Island and Chernobyl changed that perception. To allow this catastrophe to happen and not learn from it would doom us in the long run.

If you tin foil hat types would stop hating Obama and stop spewing what Frank Lunz tells you think and look with your own eyes at what is happening in the gulf maybe for just one second maybe, just maybe, we have a chance to work together as a nation and do the hard work.

Hard work is ahead. No doubts about that. Are we strong enough to make the difficult choices?

That remains to be seen.....


FYI reread the part where I talk about fungible resources....If you dont know what that means look it up..

While I agree this spill a moment in time where we can rally around something as a nation to make dramatic and drastic improvements.

Now is NOT the time to push it though. First and foremost should be cap the well, cleanup the oil, and protect as much of the ecosystems as possible. Laying the groundwork for change is good, but not if it overtakes the primary concern which is the well itself (along with the impacts the well is having on the region).

Wasn't Cap'n'Trade invented by Enron? Isn't BP one of the big pushers of CnT?

As to being in the Mid East for oil....wel if we were allowed to drill within our own territories where the oil is (including off both the east and west coast, expanded drilling in Alaska, etc) we would'nt need the oil from the mid east. Hell, we wouldnt even need deep water wells like the one that blew up.

Um, you may want to check your facts and not get them from chain emails. ANWR would provide ~10 billion barrels of oil, and the total US reserves are ~134 billion barrels. The US uses almost 20 million barrels a day, which equates to about 18 years worth of oil at our current rate of use and assuming all that oil is recoverable.

Now, while that is what is known and available, at what cost does it come to recover those barrels?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

According to your link, Obama didnt say a fucking word about it for 9 fucking days.

Obama was not on it.

Because he said nothing to the public, he wasn't on it? Your for proof this statement? Other than conjecture and speculation?
I don't know if he was or he wasn't, but when something huge happens that has no known cure and hasn't ever happened before, don't they usually get together and talk about how to address it to the nation before going on TV, radio, etc?

You have no idea if he wasn't trying to spearhead a team of ecologists, scientists, lawyers, etc. Neither do I. You don't like Obama, you choose to pick
1) he said nothing so he wasn't doing anything

I like Obama so I choose
2) He said he was on it from day one working to gather a team and get his facts straight, realistically, which sounds more accurate? NM.. I already know your answer

 

[Cotswolds]

Wasn't Cap'n'Trade invented by Enron? Isn't BP one of the big pushers of CnT?

All the major energy companies will make a killing on cap 'n tax. It's the middle/lower class that stand to get hosed by it.

I'm all for finding alternative forms of energy, but taxing fossil fuels will do more to spur a revolution than it will to spur green technology.

It amazes me that instead of putting all our efforts into cleaning up this mess we're focusing instead on CO2 emissions. Especially in light of the fact that the "global warming consensus" is far from a consensus amongst climatologists.

 

[Sclamoz]

According to your link, Obama didnt say a fucking word about it for 9 fucking days.

Obama was not on it.

April 21: Deputy Secretary of Interior, Coast Guard dispatched to region. An April 22 White House statement noted that following a briefing with President Obama, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Thad Allen, Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, EPA Deputy Administrator Bob Perciasepe, and FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate, "Deputy Secretary of the Interior David Hayes was dispatched to the region yesterday to assist with coordination and response." The Coast Guard announced that four units were responding to the fire, with additional units en route.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201004300053

April 22nd Whitehouse Statement:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...val-office-meeting-discuss-situation-gulf-mex

 

[Slew Foot]

http://mediamatters.org/research/201004300053

April 22nd Whitehouse Statement:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...val-office-meeting-discuss-situation-gulf-mex

George Bush wasnt on 9/11 because he spent 2 minutes reading a book after hearing the United States was under attack, what a maroon!

 

[Sclamoz]

George Bush wasnt on 9/11 because he spent 2 minutes reading a book after hearing the United States was under attack, what a maroon!

Why are you bringing up Bush? Isn't that ancient history now?

 

[PokerGuy]

Seriously. In his speech, Obama said he was open to ideas from both parties. I can't imagine the hacks in this thread ever being open to their opponents' ideas.

He SAYS he's open to ideas from both parties. He's said that all through his campaign, and it's already been proven to be a lie many many times over. What he says and what he does are very different things.....

 

[nick1985]

Because he said nothing to the public, he wasn't on it? Your for proof this statement? Other than conjecture and speculation?
I don't know if he was or he wasn't, but when something huge happens that has no known cure and hasn't ever happened before, don't they usually get together and talk about how to address it to the nation before going on TV, radio, etc?

You have no idea if he wasn't trying to spearhead a team of ecologists, scientists, lawyers, etc. Neither do I. You don't like Obama, you choose to pick
1) he said nothing so he wasn't doing anything

I like Obama so I choose
2) He said he was on it from day one working to gather a team and get his facts straight, realistically, which sounds more accurate? NM.. I already know your answer

No matter which scenario is true, he should have adressed the nation about it before 9 days went by. Politically, being mum about it was not wise at all. The polls regarding the President's handling of the spill reflect that.

 

[nick1985]

Why are you bringing up Bush? Isn't that ancient history now?

He is showing the hypocrisy of the left.

 

[Sclamoz]

He is showing the hypocrisy of the left.

How? I didn't bring Bush up. I thought he handled the time around 9/11 very well.

 

[nick1985]

How? I didn't bring Bush up. I thought he handled the time around 9/11 very well.

I dont think he was referring to you individually. The left was all over Bush for waiting 2 minutes to respond to 9/11 in the classroom. Obama waits 9 days to speak about it and is given a free pass by some on the left.

 

[shiner]

Did he tell us whose ass was going to be kicked?

 

[heyheybooboo]

No matter which scenario is true, he should have adressed the nation about it before 9 days went by. Politically, being mum about it was not wise at all. The polls regarding the President's handling of the spill reflect that.

LOL

It took the Deepwater Horizon 3 days to sink. BP first commented that there was no release of crude.

and btw: Constantly and personally attacking someone like Obama may result in 'poor approval ratings' but in 2010 will not win the GOP any elections.

The 1980s called, they want their Republican strategies back.




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[Sclamoz]

I dont think he was referring to you individually. The left was all over Bush for waiting 2 minutes to respond to 9/11 in the classroom. Obama waits 9 days to speak about it and is given a free pass by some on the left.

You're comparing the time it took Bush to respond to 9/11 to the time it Obama to give a speech about the oil spill. You should instead be comparing it to the time it took Obama to respond, which was less than 1 day not 9 days. Even then this is something only a complete fucking tool would find important.

 

[spidey07]

LOL

It took the Deepwater Horizon 3 days to sink. BP first commented that there was no release of crude.

and btw: Constantly and personally attacking someone like Obama may result in 'poor approval ratings' but in 2010 will not win the GOP any elections.

The 1980s called, they want their Republican strategies back.




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teabagtag

 

[nick1985]

and btw: Constantly and personally attacking someone like Obama may result in 'poor approval ratings' but in 2010 will not win the GOP any elections.

http://www.electionprojection.com/index.php

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I have to say Obama is a consummate politician. "Moon" "WW2"- he must have been reading my opinions on energy I've had for more years than I care to think about. He's good at reacting, not leading on issues.

At the end of the day I expect his lip service will be just that, a calculated political move where a trivial sum of money will be proposed, probably less than pursuing his Bush-like policies regarding Iraq and such.

He's shrewd, but not a leader. He's certainly convinced many he's sincere about something that should have been on the short list when he got into office. Now he'll milk it for all it's worth of course.

I expect he'll do something in action to match his words about the time he investigates the serious accusations his supporters made about Bush and Iraq.

That is pretty much never, and of course his faithful will play apologist just like the Neocons did for Bush.