Linflas
Lifer
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He has been saying this since 2007. Saying it and actually doing it are 2 entirely different things. He is about as open to Republican ideas as Ft Knox is to gold thieves.
He has been saying this since 2007. Saying it and actually doing it are 2 entirely different things. He is about as open to Republican ideas as Ft Knox is to gold thieves.
Zorkorist
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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65F05V20100616
If that timeline is correct, nobody can say Obama wasn't on it.
-John
If that timeline is correct, nobody can say Obama wasn't on it.
-John
and yet even the New York Times is reporting a leadership deficit on the clean-up efforts.
Lemon law
Lifer
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This was the Mr. nice Guy Obama speech, if you republirats don't like it, you surely will not like it when Obama tells the real truth about where the real blame lies.
If Obama will not tell the real truth, lots of other will. And when it comes to regulating the oil industry so disasters like that will not happen again, why is that I have faith that Repuplirats will lead the opposition.
All this shows is that spidey and his ilk are clueless idiots, but we already knew that before.
Sadly this oil spill crisis is something America will have to come together and solve, and all spidey offers us is an opportunity to spin stupid partisan politics.
If Obama will not tell the real truth, lots of other will. And when it comes to regulating the oil industry so disasters like that will not happen again, why is that I have faith that Repuplirats will lead the opposition.
All this shows is that spidey and his ilk are clueless idiots, but we already knew that before.
Sadly this oil spill crisis is something America will have to come together and solve, and all spidey offers us is an opportunity to spin stupid partisan politics.
- Oct 9, 1999
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You said it your own damn self:
IF you don't think this is a crisis, if you don't understand how our profligate energy consumption weakens us and leaves us vulnerable economically and geopolitically, and, yes, environmentally, if you also somehow don't understand how much we pay in true overall cost for our ignorant, lazy, faux fweedom addiction to oil, then simply continue yelling at your TV with your wife, you are both a lost cause as far as I am concerned.
Continuing to wallow in your jejune partisan hatred, neither of you are true patriots imho.
While young Americans continue to die in the service of our ongoing Mid-East (read: OIL) involvement, you and/or many Americans are unwilling to even entertain making any personal life-style sacrifices so necessary for our national security.
Instead many stupidly focus, as you do, on their hack partisan hate for the President of the United States of America.
It IS time for ALL of us to come together and, 35 years plus after the first oil crisis, address this clear and present danger. It is needlessly divisive and, at base, juvenile, not to.
We must put our toys and partisan hatred aside, for the good of the Republic.
We must, in the stirring cold war call to arms of President John F. Kennedy "pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship" and come to grips with our Achilles's heel, our stubborn and out-sized dependence on oil.
President Kennedy spoke to an older and less steeped in stupidly divisive internet political hate echo site generation, "disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing" of the United States of America.
Pity the polite negro who, in these yahoo slacker hate times, is trying to ring the clarion bell of patriotism and call us all to this vitally important task.
That's what I heard.
The question is:
Why didn't you?
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Jaskalas
Lifer
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We have been in the Mid-East since the 1930's for OIL. Religion has intervened, but we wouldn't have given one flying fuck about that region if it weren't for the oil.
We wouldn't have supported the House of Saud, which supports the fundie Wahabi sect, if it weren't for OIL, which in this case far trumped whatever religion we gave one flying fuck about, no?
Oil is everywhere? We have 2% of the world's proven reserves, let still use 25% of the world's output.
Wake the fuck up, Z.
manimal
Lifer
- Mar 30, 2007
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Actually we are in the middle east for oil and now for Lithium-Afghanistan. While true motive was obfuscated GW and his brains were using 9/11 as an opportunity. Think of it as just another Lusitania. Now we are not in this thread to challenge past. We are here to discuss the Obama's national address. Was it an effective speech? Very. Do people fear slowing down economic recovery with Cap and Trade? Hell yes!
While I agree that using this opportunity as a venue to push cap and trade may have been off the mark the reality is unless some decisive action is taken we will be at 7-10 dollar a gallon gas here in the US in the forseeable future. Drilling more holes in Anwar and off the coast of the US will not change that one bit. Oil is a fungible resource that sold in the open market. The ludicrous idea that drilling the US lessons our dependence on foreign oil is just not true. What is true is the money that is made from the leases. Revenue generated by oil drilling leases is what will be missed.
What needs to be addressed is cost vs risk. Is the risk of a future spill worth the revenue generated by oil leases? This is the direction I would hope the conversation goes towards. In the 70s and 80s Nuclear was the big thing. Three Mile Island and Chernobyl changed that perception. To allow this catastrophe to happen and not learn from it would doom us in the long run.
If you tin foil hat types would stop hating Obama and stop spewing what Frank Lunz tells you think and look with your own eyes at what is happening in the gulf maybe for just one second maybe, just maybe, we have a chance to work together as a nation and do the hard work.
Hard work is ahead. No doubts about that. Are we strong enough to make the difficult choices?
That remains to be seen.....
FYI reread the part where I talk about fungible resources....If you dont know what that means look it up..
Zorkorist
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You can't quite get to the present,
Which is an oil well that we can't cap. spewing oil into the ocean.
And a Religion, that wants to kill us.
I'm telling you that oil is meaningless, and that all it boils down to is our fight against Islam.
Back 30 years ago, maybe the Saudi's had it going on, re
il.Today, we have more oil than we can deal with,
-John
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You don't know or understand the past, which is why you don't know or understand the present, and can blithely say such god awful ignorant things like:
Zorkorist
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LOL... now we are in Afghanistan for their minerals?
We have, and will always be, attacking people that attack us.
-John
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manimal
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The funny thing about attacking the people that attacked is that they dont have a store front thats titled "al qaeda house of pancakes" or a big building to bomb called " al Qaeda military hangout" or the door. The idea that conventional armies can fight in foreign Countries to fight individual terrorists is a failing premise. You cant fight ideas with swords....
Now that I am done playing the Devils advocate I will say of the two wars, Afghanistan's fight for independence was a just conflict. The international coalition that started the removal of the Taliban was justified in the worlds eyes because of the terrible nature of 9/11 and the horrific struggle the people of Afghanistan had been trough for the last 30 years. Failed states allow terrorism to infect the open spaces left by authority. It was in the interest of the international community to help afghanistan in its struggle.
What irks me is overly simplified statements about attacking people who attacked us is so far from the complete truth that it enables the war hawk infestation of US foreign relations to take over foreign policy for another generation.
The absolutists that have taken over the vernacular of center right politics like this kind of thinking.
Establish your own idiom......
UberNeuman
Lifer
- Nov 4, 1999
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It's about time they start actually looking at the details. The rest of us have been screaming ever since the campaign that while Obama has an eloquent speaking style and a lot of idealistic dreamy wonderful ideas... he knows no details and no clue how the real world functions.
Nope. I didn't see any need to watch his drivel. What did he say that I didn't already know? He was going to use this crisis to push cap & tax. I have better things to do than watch an infomercial.
manimal
Lifer
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So you admit you have an opinion on something you choose to not educate yourself on? Good job!!!!
Even if you disagree with something doesn't mean you shouldn't try to see things from their point of view if not for anything other than reassuring yourself that your position is just. By isolating yourself with information that supports your worldview dont you open yourself up to being mislead. You can read three different sources but if they all say something that is patently untruthful what good did you do to yourself.
Philosophically you can disagree with any political view but by remaining grossly ignorant of what the opposing views are you play the part of the fool.....
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