Obama speech thread

[MotF Bane]

All the major energy companies will make a killing on cap 'n tax. It's the middle/lower class that stand to get hosed by it.

I'm all for finding alternative forms of energy, but taxing fossil fuels will do more to spur a revolution than it will to spur green technology.

It amazes me that instead of putting all our efforts into cleaning up this mess we're focusing instead on CO2 emissions. Especially in light of the fact that the "global warming consensus" is far from a consensus amongst climatologists.

Typical for what politicians think is so great.

 

[spidey07]

Typical for what politicians think is so great.

Not Obama. Remember his teachings of 20 years - "reject white middle class America"

 

[OutHouse]

MSNBC Trashes Obama's Address: Compared To Carter, 'I Don't Sense Executive Command'...

Ouch

wow impressive.

 

[nick1985]

wow impressive.

indeed

 

[OutHouse]

im actually shocked im seeing high level dems actually not in lock step with Obama.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., was quoted by The San Francisco Chronicle saying, "the climate bill isn't going to stop the oil leak." Stopping the leak should come first, she said.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said he agrees with Feinstein and that the energy policy proposed by Obama will not help Gulf residents in the near-term.

"What they're doing here in effect is holding the Gulf hostage to a national energy tax," he told Fox News.

 

[spidey07]

im actually shocked im seeing high level dems actually not in lock step with Obama.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., was quoted by The San Francisco Chronicle saying, "the climate bill isn't going to stop the oil leak." Stopping the leak should come first, she said.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said he agrees with Feinstein and that the energy policy proposed by Obama will not help Gulf residents in the near-term.

"What they're doing here in effect is holding the Gulf hostage to a national energy tax," he told Fox News.

Who could have predicted that the way Obama was going to bring bipartisanship was because the country and congress would unite against him.

 

[cubby1223]

And when it comes to regulating the oil industry so disasters like that will not happen again

The oil industry is already very highly regulated.

Regulations are only as good as those who create & enforce them. And I'm guessing you have put your faith in the textbook nerds currently in the White House?

 

[OutHouse]

The oil industry is already very highly regulated.

Regulations are only as good as those who create & enforce them. And I'm guessing you have put your faith in the textbook nerds currently in the White House?

i think he wants to nationalize the oil companies.

 

[IGBT]

as of 6/16/2010:

RASMUSSEN POLL...

Obama Approval Falls to New Low: 42%
Obama Approval Index: -20
Strongly Approve 24%
Strongly Disapprove 44%
Total Approval 42%

 

[nageov3t]

I can't believe the partisan hackery of the Repuglican talking heads.

You know the president is drowning — in oil this time — when he uses the Oval Office. And do words really matter when the picture of oil gushing out of the well continues to fill the screen?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/16/opinion/16dowd.html

 

[cubby1223]

i think he wants to nationalize the oil companies.

I wouldn't doubt it. Many "progressive" talk show hosts talk about it, as well as some congressmen!!! But this is a British company, and are we *really* ready to go down that road? Like take for instance we all know the EU does not like Microsoft - if we take over B.P., the EU will probably return the favor... For us to even be entertaining the notion is just so fucked up...

 

[manimal]

as of 6/16/2010:

RASMUSSEN POLL...

Obama Approval Falls to New Low: 42%
Obama Approval Index: -20
Strongly Approve 24%
Strongly Disapprove 44%
Total Approval 42%

argumentum ad popolum.....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum


for the ignorant a link...


Leadership by poll or public opinion is a slippery slope. Would civil rights legislation ever have passed if it was based on public opinion? Would Slavery ever have been abolished? Worst thing that ever happened to the public discourse is the false consensus of the various polls that by definition are biased by the questions themselves. Reporting on polls has degenerated the news into gossip columns.....

 

[Darwin333]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65F05V20100616

If that timeline is correct, nobody can say Obama wasn't on it.

-John

WTF was he "on" besides TV? The Feds have impeded more progress than they have helped. The COE and EPA are a joke and the CG, who is supposedly "in charge", just says "we will have to ask BP". For 2 months no one knew exactly who was in charge of the cleanup. Yup, sure sounds like he was on top of shit to me.

 

[Darwin333]

Perknose,

We are not in the middle east for oil, we are in the middle east for Religion.

Yes... not YOUR religion.

Oil is everywhere, it's a no brainer.

We are in the middle east to kill the people (religious) that did 9/11.

Just FYI.

-John

<cough> bullshit <cough>

Why do you suppose we were in the ME before 9/11?

 

[Darwin333]

While I agree this spill a moment in time where we can rally around something as a nation to make dramatic and drastic improvements.

Now is NOT the time to push it though. First and foremost should be cap the well, cleanup the oil, and protect as much of the ecosystems as possible. Laying the groundwork for change is good, but not if it overtakes the primary concern which is the well itself (along with the impacts the well is having on the region).



Um, you may want to check your facts and not get them from chain emails. ANWR would provide ~10 billion barrels of oil, and the total US reserves are ~134 billion barrels. The US uses almost 20 million barrels a day, which equates to about 18 years worth of oil at our current rate of use and assuming all that oil is recoverable.

Now, while that is what is known and available, at what cost does it come to recover those barrels?

We need to produce 1MBBLs a day more than we currently do to get off of Saudi oil, another 1MBBLs a day to get off of all oil from the Middle East. That is definitely doable in a very reasonable time frame. Hell, we had 250,000 bbls per day come online in the Gulf 2 years ago from 7 wells drilled into one field by a single rig. Furthermore we have no friggen clue if oil exists in vast amounts of Federal waters because its off limits to oil exploration. If recent history is any indication then we have a fuckton of untapped oil out there. There could be a field that rivals the recent discovery in Brazil but who knows unless we seriously look (and that includes test wells which is why we won't).

 

[Zorkorist]

OIL is old school, haven't you heard?

Our nation needs to produce electricity, which means Nuclear Power Plants.

Obama is all over that.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

<cough> bullshit <cough>

Why do you suppose we were in the ME before 9/11?

I answered that question above. Maybe you should read a thread you respond to?

We were in the middle east, prior to 9/11, for oil.

Today, we are in the middle east to kill terrorists.

-John

 

[railer]

I'm already drunk. I drew "make no mistake"

This asshole had the audacity to bring up WW2 and Moon missions to get off oil and carbon based energy. He even started on "we may not know what is in this change, and it's going to be costly and painful, but we must do it"

That's where I lost it. I had to calm with wife down she was yelling at the TV so loudly.

Stopping being a partisan kook and settle yourself down. Stop falling for the left vs. right scam, and start thinking for yourself. You're welcome....

 

[ericlp]

was this stickied to show just how lame this thread is??? Hmmmm.... Shrug...

 

[DivideBYZero]

Sticky-ing threads like these shows moderation bias. This thread has little to no content.